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Life Sciences [List] Private Medical Universities in Malaysia, *MD / MBBS / MBBChBAO (Update-17/11/14)*

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zstan
post Aug 24 2010, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 24 2010, 01:14 PM)
Today, I help a very old friend visit his Doctor at the local gomen general hospital. B'cos his sons are in KL working he asked me to help take him there. The doctors there only see patient at about 8am but he told me to fetch him at 6.30am!!!!!
If not the queue will be very long, which was true enough cos when we reach there at 7am the parking lots was full and the queue was there already. Dun start me on the waiting time for his medicine.
So the citizens get crappy health service NOW! In the end is there any difference?
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yes!

in the future, there will be 5 doctors attending to one outpatient!

isn't that amazing?? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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post Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 24 2010, 02:03 PM)
yes!
in the future, there will be 5 doctors attending to one outpatient!
isn't that amazing??  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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In future? like year 3000?
I think my friend dies liao, also have to wait long long for a doctor to certified him.

BTW how many JPA students are there in 1st year Medical right now? And in which Uni/College in Malaysia? I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.

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post Aug 25 2010, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM)
In future? like year 3000?
I think my friend dies liao, also have to wait long long for a doctor to certified him.
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dun need la..it will happen in 5 years..

now already 2 housemen attending to one outpatient at the clinics...


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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 25 2010, 12:56 PM)
dun need la..it will happen in 5 years..

now already 2 housemen attending to one outpatient at the clinics...
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Which gomen hospital is that?
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post Aug 25 2010, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 01:00 PM)
Which gomen hospital is that?
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hospital kuala lumpur
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post Aug 25 2010, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM)
I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.
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incorrect........the ones in russia/ukraine/india/indonesia/egypt etc are all coming back.......and they make up 90% of msian medical students overseas...........

only the small group in oecd countries are likely not to return..........
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM)


BTW how many JPA students are there in 1st year Medical right now? And in which Uni/College in Malaysia? I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.
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ucsi...imu...to name a few...
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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 25 2010, 03:56 PM)
ucsi...imu...to name a few...
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so how many are expected to be gomen service comes 2016?
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post Aug 26 2010, 09:29 AM

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got 24 uni offering medic..IPTA n IPTS..

let's just say all take 50 students la..only a few haven produce first batch so the small numbers are to cover for that...

next year from malaysia alone... 24 * 50 = 1200 grads *5(2016)= 6000 doctors.

let's say 500 students go overseas(UK/US/Aus/Indo/russia etc) to study per year, times 6= 3000 doctors.

so there we have, at least 9000 doctors produced. and these figures are just the minimum. but are the number of general hospitals increasing? hmm.gif
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you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 10:01 AM)
you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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How does the figures jell with the current situation of not enough doctors? And the growing population in years to come?
Wat is the ratio right now?
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it is about 1:900 now.....

it will reach who ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........

after that, there will be oversupply, but regional shortages will persist, due to maldistribution.......this problem exist in ALL countries, developed and developing..........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 03:01 PM)
you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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I wonder why government still wanna approve license for new med school when they know exactly what is happening, sigh. GG
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post Aug 26 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(tqeh @ Aug 26 2010, 06:16 PM)
I wonder why government still wanna approve license for new med school when they know exactly what is happening, sigh. GG
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sadly to say. politics + $$$. that's all it takes.

and I am intending to work in msia, preferably after I specialize. Well, that's still way off, keeping alive is already hard enough haha.
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even master's students are not getting enough training themselves... zz
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post Aug 26 2010, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Aug 26 2010, 11:22 PM)
sadly to say. politics + $$$. that's all it takes.

and I am intending to work in msia, preferably after I specialize. Well, that's still way off, keeping alive is already hard enough haha.
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onelove where are u planning to work after u graduate? =p
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Aug 23 2010, 11:17 AM)
Is this Krishna Medical School a reputable medic college or something similar to Manipal where it is not recognised in India!
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FYI, full course manipal is currently recognised in India smile.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 04:21 PM)
it is about 1:900 now.....

it will reach who ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........

after that, there will be oversupply, but regional shortages will persist, due to maldistribution.......this problem exist in ALL countries, developed and developing..........
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it will reach WHO ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........ hmm.gif and this calculation takes into consideration for our rate of population growth?

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 27 2010, 08:52 AM)
it will reach WHO ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........ hmm.gif  and this calculation takes into consideration for our rate of population growth?
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biological population growth is slow, i think in msia it is currently 2.5% per annum......

replacement and natural growth need for doctors is about 100/million population....so msia needs about 2800 new doctors to keep up with retiring doctors and biological population growth......

when the targeted ratio is reached, it will be difficult to close the tap.....one cannot just close med schools just like that....

of course there is 'non-biological' population growth......esp in countries with large migrant population, and msia has a BIG foreign worker population, a significant portion of which miraculously become 'msians'.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 27 2010, 10:17 AM)
... a significant portion of which miraculously become 'msians'.......
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I think many Medical schools/colleges will die of 'natural' causes and only a handful of the well-established ones will survive.


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