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post Aug 3 2010, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
replied from hr regarding short notice : upon manager approval
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The company can waive the notice period (meaning leave early without paying). In this case, your manager will has the authority for such waiver.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
replies from manager : cant promise i can leave this week, need to discuss with my team lead.
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Manager seems like a fair person since he is willing to waive the notice period. He just need to check with your lead if you can be released early.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
i will need to join new company on 9th August.
In this case, what will happen if my manager does not approve for short notice even if i will compensate the rest of notice period ?
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If you pay in lieu of notice (buy the notice period), they cant keep you.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
Manager doesnt happy and said my act was being unprofessional.
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I think you have dissapointed your manager. Try to make up for it. He seems fair to me. Try to work out with your lead and manager how to ensure you can cover the workload to leave by 9 Aug.

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post Aug 3 2010, 12:36 PM

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The company can waive the notice period (meaning leave early without paying). In this case, your manager will has the authority for such waiver.


I did not discuss the waiver with her. I sent email to her yesterday but no reply from her, so i give her a call. I asked if she received my email and about her decision of my short notice. She doesnt please for that and ask me why i need to leave this week and i told her the reason that i will be joining new company next week. without asking further, she just said " i just wanna let u know this is very unprofessional".

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Manager seems like a fair person since he is willing to waive the notice period. He just need to check with your lead if you can be released early.

she did not waive the notice. i inform hr about it, and reply was upon manager approval. she said she cant promise anyting with foul manner. my lead is on leave, will be back tomoro.

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If you pay in lieu of notice (buy the notice period), they cant keep you.

my new company is willing to buy out me. does it means if my manager not approved for short notice even if i paid compensation, i still can go to new company?

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I think you have dissapointed your manager. Try to make up for it. He seems fair to me. Try to work out with your lead and manager how to ensure you can cover the workload to leave by 9 Aug.


i got no item on hand now. manager seems like involving some personal emo in it. she is new manager, i guess i know why.

Maybe i just wanna know can i leave even if manager doesnt approve ? hr will process my resignation ?
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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:36 PM)
Maybe i just wanna know can i leave even if manager doesnt approve ? hr will process my resignation ?
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As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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post Aug 3 2010, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 30 2010, 11:21 AM)
i have no intention to extend my service to my company.
If there's no intention of of rendering your service to the company, it is best to leave on a good note.

Regards, Joey
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post Aug 3 2010, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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then i will be in deep shit ?

just normal statement saying service notice of two month else pay-in-lieu.

i have some ex colleague who did buy-out their notice period. i guess i am just bad luck to have such new manager and maybe one week notice was just too soon.
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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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Hey we dont live in the time of slaves. Employment contract canot bind you forever.
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post Aug 3 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 3 2010, 03:09 PM)
Hey we dont live in the time of slaves. Employment contract canot bind you forever.
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Well, it's not slave, maybe I was too direct in my previous posts, it's just contract binding which is why you should read it very carefully before signing.

Usually bosses arent stupid and are not going to play "rough" and keep someone around for 2 months that does not want to.

Just that if she make things complicated, it will take longer and all, meaning harder also to deal with the newer company

If other colleagues manage to buy over then just try to talk to the boss and explain again, be nice a bit and hopefully it pass
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post Aug 3 2010, 04:42 PM

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That is my point. Lunar's manager seems like a fair guy. I think she can talk her way out.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 3 2010, 04:42 PM)
That is my point. Lunar's manager seems like a fair guy. I think she can talk her way out.
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she is famous for not being fair.
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post Aug 4 2010, 09:09 AM

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If sweet talk fails then pay in lieu of notice. I stress again that you cant be bound to the company forever. Since you sought help from forummers, I was expecting you to sweet talk the matter because you have many people here to give you ideas. If you are able to do that, I am sure you new employer will be impress because you help them save money. My advise is forget your manager is an assh*** (you are leaving anyway) and put on your best charm to reason with her.
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my company require me to give 3 month notice... so, I planning to EL for the balance 2 month and prepare my self while searching for job opportunity..

for the first month with them, i will prepare all the handover for them...

will they demand for me to pay in lieu for the balance 2 month?
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There are only a few thing that are term as EL. 1) Matrimony 2) Death of immediate family (Compassion) 3) House destroyed by fire or flood 4) Matrenity or parternity. Probably there are a few more case that I forgotten. Anything else will be deducted form AL or unpaid leave if AL had been exhausted. Yes you have to pay in lieu of notice unless you talk them to waive off the notice.
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post Aug 4 2010, 05:30 PM

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owh, ok...
thank you for your kind assistance smile.gif
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post Aug 6 2010, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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Is there such a thing? In my previous working exp. the HR must accept your resignation, and the notice period starts from HR receiving your resignation. That is why, when I tender resignation, I always cc a copy to HR.

As for "buying out" notice, not all companies accept your notice being bought out. This is subjected your current employing company. As for leaves, sometimes, company may not even let you deduct your leaves. they pay you instead. this is normally done if you are stuck in some important project, and cannot be let off.
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QUOTE(jordi79 @ Aug 6 2010, 03:31 AM)
Is there such a thing? In my previous working exp. the HR must accept your resignation, and the notice period starts from HR receiving your resignation. That is why, when I tender resignation, I always cc a copy to HR.

As for "buying out" notice, not all companies accept your notice being bought out. This is subjected your current employing company. As for leaves, sometimes, company may not even let you deduct your leaves. they pay you instead. this is normally done if you are stuck in some important project, and cannot be let off.
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I agree but this is not a one sided contract where the employer get all the say. You have rights to decline it.
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post Aug 8 2010, 11:50 PM

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tomorrow sending my resignation letter, really don't know want to say what kind of reason, if telling the true reason, is very hurt my manager. But if I not to tell, they won't even allow me to tender.

please guide me how to write a good reason to write the resignation letter...
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post Aug 9 2010, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(marvin_teow @ Aug 8 2010, 11:50 PM)
tomorrow sending my resignation letter, really don't know want to say what kind of reason, if telling the true reason, is very hurt my manager. But if I not to tell, they won't even allow me to tender.

please guide me how to write a good reason to write the resignation letter...
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To be honest, i don't think there's a law or reason or even a contract per se which prevents a person from tending his/her resignation. Reason being, we are not leaving in the 5th Century, whereby slavery is rampant.

Tender your resignation to your immediate superior, if he/she refuses, proceed to submit to HR. Make sure you get an acknowledgement of receipt from both your superior and HR.

To your last question... i think you will find ample resignation letters both on google/ lowyat forum itself.
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post Aug 9 2010, 09:25 AM

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a company cant stop someone from resigning... no matter wat reason the staff give. as long as either party serve the notice, the staff can be resigned or terminated from the company.....

u can just say, for better prospect or new environment... as long as no back stabbing ur boss or colleagues.. as u never know that one day, u need to work with them again..

the biz world is small.... we still have at least 20 - 30 years to go in biz or working life...
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Marvin,
Just serve notice. There is no need to cite reason. Para1 - I wish to resign wef dd/mm/yy. Para2 - Thank you for your support... You can state reason verbally but not written.

If you tell us a point or two, we can help you say it in a more diplomatic manner.
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Hi,

My friend just asked me a question but I have no idea to answer him. Probably someone here could assist with your experience.

My friend just got an offer and that company wanted him to join on next Monday and will buy over all his remaining notification period which is 2 months. Currently my friend has around 20 days of annual leaves available.

Question, will his current company pay him the 20 days of his annual leaves with the money? Or his future company will minus it and pay the remaining day to his current company? His 20 days of annual leaves will be just wasted like this?

Anyone has this experience before?

Kindly share.

Thanks in advance.

On behalf of my friend. wink.gif


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