Sharing my WW with the world:

KIKI:

1 Month old -

Sleeping between the walls

Now Pregnant Soon-to-Be-Mom (With Altitude!)

A closer Ear to the mom about her dream...

LALA (The DADDY!)


" Come up the names for your pups yet? "



..... (Guess he still upset over his bachelor life.....same here.....SIGH)

This post has been edited by DonnerGott: May 12 2009, 10:05 PM

thanks blurjoey! yeah...i guess i'll try the oxbow..thanks!

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Added on May 12, 2009, 10:47 pmcuteness! i love the first pic where kiki stares! haha! btw, are you using pine bedding?

This post has been edited by sharkie28: May 12 2009, 10:47 PM

She quite fancy in front of camera. Guess she was a model in her past life.

Yup, i'm using pine bedding.

i tot we are not suppose to use pine bedding???

They seems fine to me. What's the issue with pine bedding?

In pine, the main irritant is abietic acid, sometimes called sylvic acid. Hamsters exposed to cedar and pine wood over long periods of time have shown a clear link with chronic chest disease1. There is also a possible link with cancer and liver damage but the results of various studies are unclear and conflicting

Pls read
http://www.britishhamsterassociation.org.u...rnal/cedar.html

Dude, hamsters is not subject to chronic chest disease. Human does.

"Studies in humans exposed to cedar and pine wood over long periods of time have shown a clear link with chronic chest disease1"

And the study hasn't concluded that whether pine is DANGEROUS against hamster nor human. It's the cedar that is dangerous.

* There is no reason to believe that the effects in rodents are any less significant and indeed they may be more significant given that rodents have a high metabolic rate and short lifespan.

It stated the claims of unsafe bedding for pine is less compiling compared to cedar, yes is true, but there is possibility too~

For me, i prefer to play safe and nt to take the risk even there is only 0.1%, since there are other safer bedding such as breeder celect or eco straw....

Pine bedding is not good for small animals who SLEEP on / in the bedding. This is a very basic thing

here some info.

http://www.hamsterific.com/BeddingGuide.cfm

http://www.ratkateersrodentry.com/hamsters.html

http://www.hamster-zone.com/hamster-housin...g-material.html

http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/guineapig11.htm

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Animal_Care/Hamster

http://www.afrma.org/rminfo2a.htm

hope these helps

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: May 13 2009, 10:59 AM

Breeder celect for bedding is the best!!!! XD

I read before some1 said tat chipsi classic is actually pine bedding also
How true is this statement?
Cause i'd been using it since i start keeping hamster till now
Nowadays i sometimes ll get some breeder celect bedding for my hammie but most of the time is chipsi

Most of the wood shavings available in Malaysia are Pine. The only Pine shavings that is safe for hamsters is Kaytee. Chipsi Super and Chipsi Classic is ok coz made of spruse and fir trees, not as bad as pine and cedar. Chipsi Extra is better coz made of beech wood.

Quote from Malaysia Veterinary Forum.

This post has been edited by eric138: May 13 2009, 04:14 PM

chipsi classic is not pine bedding. but chipsi do have pine bedding and its those scented one.

chipsi is very dusty so it's advisable to de-dust first like flipping the bedding over and over or put in a basket and shake. you can see alot dust coming out. and stay away from the dust. if you breathe that in, i bet you'll sneeze/cough.

and everyone should know pine bedding is not advisable to be used for small animals.

I think most of chipsi is Spruce bedding, coz tats wat it says on the label

This post has been edited by jaswwp: May 13 2009, 05:24 PM

..Hamsters anyone? My roomate is thinking of either giving away or selling her baby hamsters...so anyone wants them? they are winter whites

Mine is chipsi using Pine. And my KIKI just gave birth to 5 pups this 3pm only... so now we can see how true is the chipsi good or bad...

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Added on May 13, 2009, 7:11 pmGo post it at the adoption thread. It'll help.

This post has been edited by DonnerGott: May 13 2009, 07:11 PM

chipsi beddings are fine because it is made up of european pine which contain lower levels of phenols...
but to be on the safe side, just avoid anything with pine...use paper-based bedding likeBack-to-nature/breeders celect,Healthy pet or carefresh....
IT is so so so hard to fine good beddings in Malaysia!!! hope there'll be more varieties soon!

I jus change the bedding to Oxbow Eco Straw 2days back for my hammie... will see whether it's good or not... Becoz it's known as the absorbant power is higher than Breeder Celect..And its 100% safe for animals..

Wil come back to everyone after a week..

My Puffie started to eat the Eco Straw when I put in

hahaha..really ah.... Good ma...since it's hay...hahahaha...

My hermes don care bout it also.....