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Movies The ALIEN Movies Thread, Prometheus 2: PARADISE LOST (2017)

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post Jun 9 2012, 03:44 PM

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so in short, do you guys think it's worth watching? unsure.gif
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All this pre takes, theories are awesome. Can't wait to be free to catch this. Like blade runner, its didnt serve A1 in terms of story but sci fi maniacs love it.


even if it leaves more questions then answers, the curiosity will drive critics to debate for years to come. Something Ridley Scott has a habit in doing. cool2.gif

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Best theory I've read so far

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200177706
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post Jun 9 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 9 2012, 05:05 PM)
Awesome read cool2.gif

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That should slap any naysayer in the face for claming prometheus not an intellectually deep film!



In that, I must have the DvD when it comes out. notworthy.gif Ridley Scott is such an ass.. tongue.gif wink.gif
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post Jun 9 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 9 2012, 04:05 PM)
Haha that's madness! and quite brilliant i might add. The religion angle was something i thought about as well but he connected the lines a whole lot better than i did. Very good indeed!
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post Jun 9 2012, 05:28 PM

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The movie seem to change direction throughout. I think they ended up re-writing scenes and the script itself. It is fundamentally a flawed but entertaining film. I have to admit, I really enjoyed the intense moments. They were unfortunately brief.

The motifs/themes of the mythological elements - I didn't get it. Either the movie failed to convey them or it was done in the most subtle of ways. I came in knowing that Damon Lindelof (of "LOST") definitely is going to embed some mythological elements here and there. I noticed the Xenomorpoh images on the door, but the whole "aliens created us" thing I couldn't quite grasp.

Simply put, the movie was not effective. The ride was fun while it lasted, but that's about it.

The characters were not well written, and while I absolutely was amazed by Fassbenders' performance of David, the other chracters just didn't quite cut it. Noomi Rapace did an equally good job too.

Having said that, looks like this is one of those films that "will disappear just as it arrived", not particularly memorable. The pacing is fine, but I just can't help but notice how the direction of where the movie was going changed several times. A clear indication that the writers realized things weren't working out and they changed it up.

It is a good film, but never great. Visually stunning and the sound effects are simply mind-blowing. There are so many holes in the plot, and I'm not too interested in investing my time on understanding them.

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7.5/10

Nah... it doesn't have the staying power. It looks good, but you end up not really caring about the characters. I also feel there is like a good chunk of the film missing. For an R-rated flick cut down to PG-13, not sure if a few minutes of extra scenes would do justice. hmm.gif Oh and did I just hear a Star Trek theme music in the movie or was it just close to it ??!!

Do I want to know what happens next? Hmm... not really but why not. The Engineers themselves look like Handsome Squidward and I can't take them seriously. As an "ET" flick with ancient astronaut theory story, I did enjoy the ride while it lasted.

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Moving on... next!



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QUOTE(elm0001 @ Jun 9 2012, 03:44 PM)
so in short, do you guys think it's worth watching? unsure.gif
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I love the ending

for me this is must for SCI FI Nerds haha just like me .. the atmosphere reminds me of the thing and plus Dead Space tongue.gif

in the end i wonder why the engineers wanna kill the humanz hmmzzz ...

for me 8.0 smile.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 04:59 AM)
I think it's clear that its not a tradition prequel in the sense that it doesn't directly connect to the Alien franchise i.e. different planets, space jockeys, ships etc. But i can't be bothered digging up every interviews and production notes, so my question is ..

Is it really a canon taking place in an entirely alternate universe or is it still taking place in the same constant universe as the Alien franchise ?

The film itself could still easily fit into the Alien universe and timeline, but at the same it could also be a canon. So which is it ?
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not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.

QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Jun 9 2012, 06:58 AM)
Question: Why did David deliberately mixed Holloway's drink with that black      liquid? Was it Weyland's orders to test the effects of the liquid on human life form?

Question: Why the whole idea of create mankind and then destroying them?
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2nd question:

the film proposes several possibilities, but chose not to answer anything. just like in alien (the 1st film), there are numerous questions that linger around. who or what is the space jockey? where did the xenomorph come from? the hints to those questions only surfaced 40 years later in prometheus. even so, it didnt give any clear definition.

maybe we need to wait another 40 years...
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 9 2012, 04:43 PM)
Awesome read cool2.gif
In that, I must have the DvD when it comes out.  notworthy.gif Ridley Scott is such an ass.. tongue.gif  wink.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 05:01 PM)
Haha that's madness! and quite brilliant i might add. The religion angle was something i thought about as well but he connected the lines a whole lot better than i did. Very good indeed!
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What do you guys think about this part:

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Are you guys glad they cut out that part from the film?

Also unused stuffs

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I think this is getting a little out of hand here... doh.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 09:57 PM)
not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.
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I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 09:57 PM)
not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.
2nd question:

the film proposes several possibilities, but chose not to answer anything. just like in alien (the 1st film), there are numerous questions that linger around. who or what is the space jockey? where did the xenomorph come from? the hints to those questions only surfaced 40 years later in prometheus. even so, it didnt give any clear definition.

maybe we need to wait another 40 years...
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I believe it was the intention that there was no clear definition for Prometheus to begin with... but then, Ridley did say if Prometheus did very well in the box-office and FOX will greenlit a sequel, everything will be explained... after all, Dr. Shaw and
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If the propose sequel is at hand, I just hope all questions are answered...
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 10:27 PM)
I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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Yep smile.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 02:27 PM)
I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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yup. exactly.
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Concept Arts

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1646/

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post Jun 10 2012, 12:21 AM

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Brilliant film. I've watched it once only but in a space of three hours, I have gone from calling it a good film to labeling it as trash to coming to a conclusion that it is incredible and is an incredibly ambitious film that covers the themes of existentialism and religion. The more I think about it, the better I think the film is.

Regardless of which, even if you ignore the themes, it is an incredibly beautiful film to look at.
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bad story, in sense if you take off the hype everyone is going about how this movie is presenting itself as a question on how religion and our creation and stuff the movie was a copy.

from the first scene to teh last, the trailer and the way it was done it was a copy of alien. started off pretty much the same way, in the middle was similar and the ending was the same.

there was absolutely nothing new on the table, the acting was good for some, there were too many characters running around and the visuals were great, good movie but the story made it normal.

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the ending reminds me of predator (the new one) lolz
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jun 10 2012, 01:21 AM)
Brilliant film. I've watched it once only but in a space of three hours, I have gone from calling it a good film to labeling it as trash to coming to a conclusion that it is incredible and is an incredibly ambitious film that covers the themes of existentialism and religion. The more I think about it, the better I think the film is.

Regardless of which, even if you ignore the themes, it is an incredibly beautiful film to look at.
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I suppose we are in the groupings that ridlet regard as mere mortals. After all many dished his 'blade runner' when it came out, shun his movie then, only to realize we might have got it all wrong or too small to understand the concept /his concept films hmm.gif

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