why symbian and not winmo ? hmmmm......

and nokia still lags ler. they've added in so many canggih applications but still unable to run multiple simultaneously. all mobile phone manufacturers still need to address the processing power efficiency and of coz the main crap of all which is battery life.

it be really good one day to see nokia becoming the first ever to produce a well made sturdy phone with enough processing power to multitask simultaneously, have advanced features and a battery that runs on water which will last for 5 days before refill while being cost effective. i prayyyyy.....very hard i prayyyy....

What do you mean nokia phones are not able to multitask smoothly..? I have atleast 4-5 apps runnig at times and none of them hang .. beside that numerous programs running as services in the background.. best aprt all this and still maintaining a phone functionality!

Symbian OS is getting better each year.. it is efficient and best part it utilize power consumption very good indeed. Better then most windows mobile phones..which as everyone knows are are so hefty and heavy on resources and power hungry.

I recently bought the cheapest N series in the market N78..and was surprised that with the ARM11 369MHz Single core processor it is as good in terms of performance as an OMAP dual core processor found in N82 or N95 8Gb with the same multitasking and 3D performance but increase in efficiency on the battery life and usage just by implementing the new revised FP2 Symbian OS 9.3.

Thats why i like nokia phone s..you would expect the same very efficient and friendly GUIS and almost very current features you want and a good all round phone.. as nokia put it..a mobile computer!

The N97 is exactly what and advance iphone should be.. without the hype.

I think u are wrong,

Let me ask u a question, Core 2 Duo 2.6GHz compare with Pentium D 3.0GHz which one is faster and better?

N78 does not have a graphic accelerator chip. Try running Global Racing game in ur N78 and N82 and u will see the difference. N-GAGE and some other 3D game does not utilize the graphic accelerator thats why u see there isnt much difference compare to N82.

Why is N78 battery life is better ? Because it uses only single CPU, look at N95 N82 etc which using dual CPU, both of them having crappy battery life.

Why N78 cannot record video at 640x480 @ 30FPS? Because of the graphic accelerator and CPU.

Why N78 camera is only 3.2megapix? because of the OMAP Processor cannot support 5megapix. (graphic accelerator comes with the processor)

However 6220 classic using the same CPU as N78 but support 5megapix, quite amuzing, I have no idea why but the explaination above is true and facts regarding N78

N85 vs N96 :The real Test:

Design and Ergonomics
The style of N96 is an intermediate solution between the older and newer concepts used by the company in product design. N85 definitely looks better, standing closer to the newer design trend adopted by Nokia. Have a look at 6600 and you¡¯re pretty sure to snatch the idea. N85 and N96 are entirely composed of plastic while the 6600 slide makes an extensive use of metal, though. Materials other than plastic are reserved for Eseries and S40 products, in Nokia¡¯s philosophy. N85 and N96 display an almost identical quality of plastic save for the face panel, which is definitely better in Nokia N85. The rounded, lacquered casing looks quite elegant; both smartphones are rather exposed to soiling, though.The quality of assembly is on a comparable level for the both models, the only exception being the slider mechanism. It produces a much better impression in N85. The N96 has a jerky, tight slider, which might be a bit annoying to the more picky buyers. The size and weight are two of the major points making up the ergonomics score. N96 is too wide to sit in the hand naturally. That happens primarily because of a large screen, N85 has a screen with a diagonal shorter by a 0.2¡¯¡¯ ¨C the same situation with N95 and N95 8Gb. A bigger casing, surprisingly, does not improve the operational comfort of the N96 keyboard. The upper button row is too close to the edge, and the rest of the rows suffer from a poor segmentation. SMS typing feels much better with an N85.

A couple of words on the colors. N96 will only come in black, and N85 is currently available in purple and brown, with a few extra colors to come. The lens framing alternatively serves as a tip-up prop enabling the phone to stand on a surface when you want to comfortably browse through your photos and videos. N85 has nothing of the kind, but you will eventually discover an FM transmitter which is nowhere around in N96. The charger jack is the same thing with the microUSB slot in N85, making it the first Nokia smartphone to possess a USB charging capability. N96 doesn¡¯t replenish the battery charge while being connected to another device with the data cable.
An active lens guard is something only found in N85. A slide of the lens guard launches the camera application, which is just immensely handy. Dedicated player buttons are grouped around the central joystick button. With N85, you get these buttons only backlit if the player is running ¨C not a critical but very neat designer¡¯s trick. We are generally inclined to think that Nokia didn¡¯t care too much about the appearance, looking more on the lumberjack¡¯s side rather than on the gentleman¡¯s, and doesn¡¯t stand well against the elegance of N85.

The screen of N85 is identical in size to the original N95 (2.6¡¯¡¯) but bases off the AM-OLED technology. This helps to notch down the power consumption and gives a better looking palette. Oh well, the view angles also appear wider and the refresh rate is pleasantly high. On the whole, this screen is obviously better than the display of N96, - but don¡¯t take this as an offense to the latter, its screen is just plainly good but N85 offers a perfection in this aspect.
In the visual comparison with N96. It seems to fail in the competition with N85.To do N96 justice, we must tell you that the color palette reproduced by its screen looks a bit more natural, but that doesn¡¯t help the cause much. A larger diagonal is a much more serious matter, doubling its importance for every fan of digital books optimized for reading from a screen of a handheld gadget. Both models offer a comparable quality of TV picture when you use the TV-out.Camera
Following the tradition, Nokia equipped the two models with a (high-)standard camera unit carrying Carl Zeiss optics. Upon a closer inspection it is revealed that the photo quality is actually different. Prior to testing we made sure that all the settings had been set the same (the flash is identical in both models, - a double LED unit a bit weaker than the xenon flash of N82, for example). The idea is simple: just have a look at the pictures and see how the focal distance and viewing angles are related. Definitly N85 is leading in test with flash turned on and off alike.

Hardware Platform

The hardware platform of Nokia N96 is totally different form the chipset used in N85 and other Nokias. The new hardware platform is a Nomadics STn8815 chip by STMicroelectronics. This fact caused a great amount of arguments, for some people had recklessly put an equation mark between N85 and N96, wasting their breath about the same hardware lying in the base of the two handsets. Nokia N85 uses the regular hardware same with N78 and N81. As seen from the test score, N96 displays a lower performance than N85 and a much worse one than N95 basing off OMAP 2420. The lack of a 3D accelerator is blatant in the JBenchmark 3D test. N96 lags behind in other tests as well. The gap may be accounted for by the use of a newly developed platform, while N85 employs a platform which has been through a long evolution of improvements and optimizations shared by Nokia N78 and N81 models. There¡¯s little sense in repeating the descriptions of this platform since it has already been dealt with in our review of Samsung i450. Despite the lags seen in the tests, N85 and N96 have identical audio quality, a bit above the sounding of N78 and a bit below than Samsung i8510 INNOV8. The audio quality provided by N78 seems to please the majority of the owners, so an even better sound is simply great.
Let¡¯s have a brief overview the difference between the STn8810 and OMAP 2420 chipsets. Theoretically possessing worse characteristics than TI OMAP 2520, the new chipset pays back with a lower power consumption, high sound quality (out of the box, we don¡¯t regard the possible use of additional dedicated sound processing chips) and better video processing algorithms. The most effort was invested into making the battery life longer. It¡¯s about the time to dismiss the fear that the low-capacity battery used in Nokia N96 (950 mAh) won¡¯t be enough for comfortable operation. Actually, the device can run longer than most TI OMAP solutions, the advantage becoming increasingly obvious during video and music playback. STn8815 is optimized for minimal energy consumption; it will automatically drop the CPU frequency to a level sufficient for normal functioning of an application but not a notch above. It also makes an extensive use of smart accelerators and divided calculation techniques to drop the load on the CPU. Inactive chipset components are automatically powered off until a need arises to put them back online, the CPU stays in a power-saving mode as long as possible. Code execution efficiency was maximized through numerous optimizations as well.STMicroelectronics Nomadics STn8815 Specifications We didn¡¯t manage to spot any tangible performance boost in most menus and applications as compared to OMAP 2420. The lack of a hardware 3D accelerator is the only weak point distinguishing STMicroelectronics chips from their OMAP 2420/2430 counterparts as goes to performance. On the other hand, the use of 3D acceleration was intentionally minimized in N95 and N82 (it wasn¡¯t even used in N-Gage games) and totally missing in Samsung i550/i560, so we wouldn¡¯t consider this lack a critical downside of STn8815-based products.

Overall

We believe that N96 can not justify the high price it sells for by its scarce advantages. We would never recommend it as a replacement for N95 or its upgraded version N95 8Gb ¨C you are basically getting nothing from what you would want to see in a smartphone priced like that. A digital TV tuner isn¡¯t overly demanded on the market, so this addition won¡¯t pass for a real advantage. The rest of improvements are even less significant. At the same time, N85 appears to be a perfectly balanced solution worthy of being titled as the successor to N95 with multiple improvements in all departments of functionality and also a better looking appearance, higher quality of materials and assembly.
So for Sure N85 is definitly the winner...

What do you mean nokia phones are not able to multitask smoothly..? I have atleast 4-5 apps runnig at times and none of them hang .. beside that numerous programs running as services in the background.. best aprt all this and still maintaining a phone functionality!

Symbian OS is getting better each year.. it is efficient and best part it utilize power consumption very good indeed. Better then most windows mobile phones..which as everyone knows are are so hefty and heavy on resources and power hungry.

I recently bought the cheapest N series in the market N78..and was surprised that with the ARM11 369MHz Single core processor it is as good in terms of performance as an OMAP dual core processor found in N82 or N95 8Gb with the same multitasking and 3D performance but increase in efficiency on the battery life and usage just by implementing the new revised FP2 Symbian OS 9.3.

with nokia ..you would expect the same very efficient and friendly GUIS and almost very current features you want and a good all round phone.. as nokia put it..a mobile computer!

The N97 is exactly what and advance iphone should be.. without the hype.

If you need a personal demonstartion i can assure you..i will prove you wrong.. btw what nokia pones are you referring too ?

^I think u have to take in the amount of physical memory available into account, I think N79 has only less than 96 MB of RAM, the concept of virtual memory doesn't exist in Symbian. If you have seen other current phones has the ability to handle the tasks u throw in, then kindly name me the model and make.

and come on lar, if u can afford an N79, then u sure have a desktop or laptop in ur home, furthermore, what's the point of transmitting FM signal to the home stereo? I don't get it, many newer hifi even got USB port, it's not hard to load tons of mp3s into one thumb drive, using the FM transmitter will just degrade the sound quality.

in car - i run 3 apps minimum.
a) fm transmitter
b) my music player playing my fav mp3's in my car stereo
c) gmxt - coz i prefer to hear the sexy voices thru my car stereo instead of the small speakers.

then i have themes installed for cosmetic reasoning. and i have fon calls and sms coming in for thats the main purpose of a phone.
the breathing lights are on, coz i like it and its funky. and also auto rotate is on for a better view of gps nav.

^I think u have to take in the amount of physical memory available into account, I think N79 has only less than 96 MB of RAM, the concept of virtual memory doesn't exist in Symbian. If you have seen other current phones has the ability to handle the tasks u throw in, then kindly name me the model and make.

and come on lar, if u can afford an N79, then u sure have a desktop or laptop in ur home, furthermore, what's the point of transmitting FM signal to the home stereo? I don't get it, many newer hifi even got USB port, it's not hard to load tons of mp3s into one thumb drive, using the FM transmitter will just degrade the sound quality.

I just tested my N79. I opened this apps =

1. garmin
2. music player
3. ngage game
4. browser with wifi on
5. photo album
6. calendar
7. notes

no problem at all. My N79 has almost the same spec as the N78 (same CPU and no 3D accelerator also). It can take 30fps video.

running on the background ma....
garmin will still give you the verbal directions even with music or ngage running. of course you wont be able to see the map
im uploading a video to youtube now....will post later the URL

i own a 6220c and n79. both cannot run more than 3 apps at a time.
lets take my n79 into discussion coz its newer.

in car - i run 3 apps minimum.
a) fm transmitter
b) my music player playing my fav mp3's in my car stereo
c) gmxt - coz i prefer to hear the sexy voices thru my car stereo instead of the small speakers.

then i have themes installed for cosmetic reasoning. and i have fon calls and sms coming in for thats the main purpose of a phone.
the breathing lights are on, coz i like it and its funky. and also auto rotate is on for a better view of gps nav.

in the n79 thread i've made it clear, anymore than these 3 apps running, the phone will be extremely sluggish and it will crash in a matter of time.

now what sort of applications do u run ? camera + opera + widg ? lolz.

i've used this on a day to day basis. i've tried other n79's and they are all the same. personal demonstration i dont need. u cant prove me wrong. i can prove u right.

now more methods of multitasking. assuming one is at home, u have a stereo. so u switch on

a) fm transmitter
b) have the wifi on
c) n79 has internet radio so lets stream and have music rather than the normal mp3's.
d) opera browser's on, so lets log in to msn via wifi as well.
e) u can have any one more app before it slows down to a crawl. so lets take gmxt out of this equation since i'm at home and instead i'll game. i love poker.

or i'll edit the pics i took this afternoon and upload it on to my blog. nono that cant happen. coz i can multitask that much but both my phones cant take it anymore.

dude, i'm not anti nokia, i've been a nokia fan for a long time, but not to the extent of fanboyism. i suggest you do some ACTUAL multitasking rather than opening light applications.

are u somekind of idiot or something.. what you think this is windows os? lol.

Of cos you can do all the things at one time..thats is what you call multitasking.. just look at the definition of multitasking while you at it..

you come in the thread like some kind of guru knows it all..but you yourselves dont show us what you mean...

I think youre comment was answered by the previous user.. and i aggree to that comment..

of cos youre processing it.. its running in the background as "services" like RSS feed it is processing it unti a neww rss feed is available.. so it loads it in the background..

While at i can be accessing my N78 Memory card and downloading and uploading files or music using "simple center server" ..which i do most times..

My web browser with youtube is always open.. so i switched and play it once i find a new clip.. my music player automatically slows down the volume while i play the clips.. try it you fool.. you havent try t you said it cant be done!  That is freaking multitasking..

You want me do a video for you to explain all this.. lol...

At the same time Wifi is On ., Fring is on.. ph yeah of cos phone is on...in the background of cos as sevices...

What 3 PRIMARY apps are you having problems with.. do explain rather then whining about it..oh yes you mentioned GMXT + FM transmitter and what else themess?? aith auto remote.. dear me..

I did mentioned Nokia Symbian multitasking capabilities are getting better but not perfect.. if you want better then of of cos get a netbook or damn fine PDA.. do remember.. nokias are phones first..

Try not to be so egoistic in the thread,,maybe your somekind of symbian guru or somethin, but putting the rest of ppl down on the thread is not the kind of attitude that a community here wouldlike to see.. were here to discuss .. rest my case.

agree and support u 
anywhere i did try what he suggested at my n79 oso, doesnt really serious and happen like he mentions...
or might be his software version or memory card usage different ? 

a bit out of topic~ kaka
so might N series "take over" E series at the future ?
qwerty at N series ady....