damn..that really multi tasking.. i hope no matter what, nokia, sony or motorola ..they can upgrade their proc, ram in the future so we can do more multitasking like pc... nokia quad core anyone ?

its totally a competitor of X1. haha.. But for me, i prefer N97 than X1..

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why ? reason ? d specs ? s60 ? design ? or its because nokia ?

Yes...to me Nokia..is always in my hand :-)

Nokia need to differentiate through built-up and design, and some extra functions...
E-series more of business and N-series more of multimedia,eventhou actually both works the same thingy,guess,Nokia spending more on Nseries than Eseries...
probably Nokia can introduce kind of bundled application for business and multimedia differences...

that's why,hopefully the introduce of new firmware really works for bugs fixed and efficiency...

SUPPA Nokia phones collector spotted...

don't get so hype yet, so far none of us know how the 5th edition perform in the real world.

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Added on December 6, 2008, 1:28 amone simple question, can your brain concentrate 100% on both things at the same time? wakaka
even in PC also the same, when an application is running in the foreground, all the other opened windows will be pushed to background, they still in process albeit the scheduler will give them lower priority. For single core processor, it can only execute 1 thread at one time, and the context switcher will switch between threads back and forth, hence your idea of "real" multitasking actually does not exist.

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Dec 6 2008, 01:28 AM

Not that suppa Nokia collector I am..now also using X1...

wow...so lucky that i dint buy x1 yet...erm will it out in january 2009?

u mean the phone? if not mistaken should be around June

wow perfect just the camera pixel only if it is an 8mpx or 10.1mpx then it would be wow!

I think Nokia find a winner in the single core ARM11 Processors used in 6220 Classic, N78, N79, N85 seems is able to do most major task as fast and in some case faster then the OMAP Dual core equivalents and yet maintaining battery efficiency.. better it has brought cost down..ony missing thing is the 3D accelerator.. most of this models are Ngage compatible..therefore shows Ngage games works ok without 3D accelerators. I would prefer better battery perfomance then full on 3D performance..infact i can play star wars unleased and 'one' quite ok on my N78 even though no evidence on accelerators...

Anyways..were talking about mobile multimedia computing here as the terms used by Nokia to explain its new N series phones. Few years ago i cant imagine a mobile Phone can do all this multitasking and yet maintain the useability of a phone. How times have change. Its a great time for consumers.

Im eager to see the new performance of the new Symbian 5 bundle with teh ARM or OMAP processors.. maybe better efficiency and performance? ..Until real benchmarks are out only then can we know for sure..

Also bit disapointing to know the n97 only using high clock ARM11 rather then OMAP 3

This post has been edited by intune: Dec 6 2008, 12:57 PM

Well the good news is both ARM platforms being used in recent Nokia products are ARM core version 11 or simply ARM11. The Texas Instrument OMAP-series of ARM processors are based on ARM11 application processor and an ARM9 baseband processor for communications. The OMAP has does have a PowerVR MBX graphics accelerator. Nokia is currently progressing to a single core ARM CPU based on Freescale MXC-300 369MHz. It does have accelerators for graphics but it is not based on PowerVR but an in-house developed IPU video accelerator. Most of the APIs are accelerated on the core.

So guys, no need to argue. What this OMAP has dual core and what golden-eye processor... etc. Here are references for your needs:

A Family of Texas Instrument OMAP family of ARM Processors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMAP

Official Texas Instrument OMAP product page
http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/param...8&familyId=1525

A History of Nokia processors used based on products
http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=processor

Simple Feature Set page for Freescale MXC-300-30
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a300mxc

Official Freescale MXC-300-30 product page
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/p...?code=MXC300-30


Remember to check out core diagrams of their products and you get to see what I mean.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Dec 6 2008, 01:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIGgBTgsMk&feature=channel

I guess the IPU video accelerators works just fine playing ngage games but not as good as a dedicated 3D processors

Well, the thing is both are built-in accelerators. A dedicated 3D processor implies that there should be a separate chip in the entire platform of the product. That is quite impossible considering power efficiency and low IC count is the point here. All I can say is that the PowerVR MBX accelerator is more capable than the other due to its involvement in mobile graphics API. So the point is how good is the accelerator rather than the existence of an accelerator. You need a graphic accelerator to power the display without one, you can kiss goodbye to graphical user interface (as an example).

The N-gage is Nokia's platform for bringing gaming services with the focus of bringing better interactive 3D (as well as regular) games to mobile phones. One reason N-gage games are not available for every Nokia phone is due to the need to specialize graphical coding to a particular platform. It first supported TI OMAP processors and then rest comes in. Also the N-gage program seems to be reserved to a select few of mobile phones, as I've seen N-gage originated games playing ok on mobile phones not yet supported by N-gage.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Dec 6 2008, 04:07 PM

what do u mean ? playing ok? but not supported? mind to elaborate, kind of confusing here

If you read the bolded sentences you made. They played ok. But because N-gage was not made available to these phones, users have an impression that it did not have 'dedicated 3D accelerator'. So if N-gage is not supporting these phones, 3D games are off-limits to these phones.

My point in that statement is that, you can buy the same games from other channels (like mobile game sites) instead of getting them from N-gage. The difference of a game played on mobile with 'good' graphic accelerator and an 'just ok' graphic accelerator is the gaming experience. So that depends on the developer whether number of polygons (better quality graphics), number of effects (experience) and smoothness of gaming (fps). They can be played on any mobile phone with a graphic accelerator, but it is the level of experience the user gets.

Case in point: My E71 doesn't have 'dedicated 3D accelerator' but it played 3D snakes pretty alright albeit a little laddy at times. Then it can also play FIFA2008 which was available N-gage. Same level of experience and graphical quality. Point? Optimizing games for more graphical accelerators. This is where standards like OpenGL ES is required. The PowerVR MBX conforms to that standard just like Direct X for x86/64 gaming.

This article HERE explains the point above in a very good way.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Dec 6 2008, 04:46 PM

Got your point.. Ngage games played ok on my Phone (N78) with a hack ngage patch before the official support ..so i would adhere and aggree to that comment..basically most later nokia models now support 3d video APIs..just another marketing strategy by nokia to control those gaming platforms..

Im just suprise to see then even the mid level to high level series now using single core processors (N85)which means 3D accelerators are not of specific importance anymore since the ARM11 Processor support Video IPU..which basically supports Ngage and also most 3D games in the market.

What seems to be importance for Nokia I think is to produce cost effective architecture which can supports most features consumer wants at affordable manufacturing and sales cost and pricing.. thats why we can see more affordable mid level phones which has more and more features. Good strategy Nokia!

As mentioned before.. i would rather see a phone with all round performance at affordable price.. if i want a gaming platform might just wait fr sony to come out with a sony psp phone.. ..Do rememebr nokia is phone first rather then a gaming console.. even though it wish to market itself in the future as one..but i dont see that happening yet..

This post has been edited by intune: Dec 6 2008, 05:08 PM

mobilearsenal already mentioned that they are thankful that the N79 did not use the dual processor - read it here -
I quote = "Thank the gods Nokia didn’t want to stick to the Dual ARM CPU from N96 that had quite a weak performance. Instead N79 also has the 369 MHz processor that has no problems providing some real speed. "

http://mobilearsenal.com/review/nokia_n79_...u_hardware.html

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Dec 6 2008, 05:10 PM