lets say if i want to study f6 next year,can u tell me the advantage and disadvantage of form 6?

u wanna go into local Uni?
if yes the F6 is a must lor.

advantages

can go local Uni
save $$$
recognised else where
provide you with a solid foundation for your degree
sch teac..being spoon fed for the very last time

disadvantages

practically none other than it is quite time consuming

Advantages

-You save up money, especially for Bio subjects and stands the chance to enter local U.
-Good foundation if you still don't know which path you wanna head to.

Disadvantages
-You must do well in order to enter local U. Else, 2 years of your effort is wasted. If your result is good, it doesn't mean that you can choose the course that you want, if you are not a bumiputra.
-Time consuming to some course.
-Form 6 is tough

well advantages are as what the rest said above.
disadvantages- its like a bottleneck situation to get a placing in local uni if ur a non-bumi. Furthermore, even good results might only give u a place in some crappy courses.

Go for it.... u wont regret,

save A'level or Diploma Fees.

Form 6 is a tried and true option to go for uni. Other option can be matriculation (big advantage for bumis, if you non-bumi 10% chance is there).

For pros, Form 6 results is accepted by any local unis and international.

For cons, probably the time length and the boring school environment.

I went through it.

Main advantages:
- More widely accepted comapred to matriks.
- Low cost.
- Low entry requirement. (Not sure if this is an advantage, included it is very hard a non-bumi to enter matriks. )

Main disadvantages:
- Slim chance to enter IPTA, even you can, most probably you can't get the course you want unless you got a very good result.
- The scope is very wide, you have to study much more than matriks.
- Time consuming. From the day you start till the day you get your result, almost 2 years but you actually study about 1 years++ only.

i believe there exists a thread similar to this.
And there's a F6 thread as well no? perhaps u can seek some suggestions from there too

hey...2008 stpm candidates!!! go look for the "PENGAJIAN AM2-stpm 2008" thread~

u got $$??? then pls skip form 6.

no $$?? then pls go ahead with form 6.

TS,

Depends on your ambition. If you just wana get into university, then F6 should be good enough.

If you aim for something higher such as going overseas, applying for scholarships, entering critical courses, then going into F6 is quite risky.

I'll quote Eminem here to summarize the feeling of going into F6:


By the time you know the answer to his question, it would have been the best 2 years of your life spent. Or worst 2 years wasted.

That's how I felt near STPM. PHEAR!

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Nov 26 2008, 08:31 PM

most girls change (for the hotter) after they leave high school. well form 6 is still considered high school.

all jokes aside. the curriculum is hard and u have to waste an extra year instead of doing matrix, foundations. i'd say form 6 if u dont know what u wana do yet.

oh and money wise of course form 6 is the more economical path

Isn't Form 6 high school? (Still considered??)

Form 6 is cheap (almost free) compared to college. But of course it is harder to score...need a lot of hard work...since it's almost a gamble (because you won't know whether you will get local uni or not in the end) Not to mention form 6 takes longer than college

form 6 is such a waste of time, they say. tough and time consuming!!

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Added on November 27, 2008, 6:13 pmI got 3.6 for my stp,doing law right now in the public u.almost all my stp friends go to public uni,but the diffrent is,if u get good result,u can choose what course u want,but if u suck,just pray u get something(at least).

This post has been edited by vicecity: Nov 27 2008, 06:16 PM

Advantage:

Ppl salute u...
u can still enjoy ur secondary skol life even thouh u now in pre-u level.
More happy, i think... coz no need to suit new environment ( except ur current skol doesnt hv F6 n u need to transfer to other skol la)

Disadvantage:

Hard work, hard time, no one can help u except u urself...

read thru everything... basically... tough and hard is not the disadvantage but a good time to train urself? thru form6 i learned a lot of things... for me... i neglected my form 6... always play play play... dota here and there coz i dun think government exam will be tht hard but stpm really shocked me and I dint do well... really my result sucks... but thru form6 i guess i'd grown up a lot.. this is jz my 2 cents.. dunno bout u guyz out there.. and ya form 6 is time consuming...so it's all up to you... hv fun...

with my bad result... im still in USM now... doing engineering... (Pls dun come to USM engineering campus!!! haha...the environment is nice...but quite boring... need to cr8 ur own entertainment...haha) In everything you do... pray and god will lead you...

Form 6 ar... The classes can be quite mixed up coz 5 passes including BM would get you into F6. It can be a good thing if you really really wanna prove yourself once more, but really really bad if you want a class of classmates of similar standard. Believe me you won't believe the kind of students that would enroll themselves into F6.

One thing to be proud of F6 is that you HAVE private and foreign universities to fall back to IF you do not get the result for IPTA or course that you want. For A Levels you HAVE TO continue degree in private and foreign universities.

And nothing beats the pride of saying you've done F6 when ppl ask you.

>>>'And nothing beats the pride of saying you've done F6 when ppl ask you.'

this phrase is sweet... hahaha

Try apply for matriculation first(but its not easy to get selected unless u are Bumi or Malays)
Its harder to score a place for courses like medicine,pharmacy when u are a STPM graduate because u need to have VERY high pointer.Even if u score 4.0 that still doesnt gurantee anything as history shows that even excellent scorers couldn't get these popular courses in the past few years.
My friends who are in USM now said that those who study to be doctors,dentists(Chinese ones)are mostly NOT STPM students but from Matriculation.

This post has been edited by lovelyduckling: Nov 27 2008, 09:52 PM

F6 similar pre U but the study cost is very low ... it will maturated u when u do further study not like the matric kids ...

read my analysis of form 6 science stream here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/858464#

The best thing about form 6 is you can learn to adapt to difficulties sooner. University life will be easier. Like the famous chinese saying "bitter first sweet later".

If you are lazy, go for form 6. Peer pressure and long syllabus will passively make you rajin, unless you are immune to those. Just treat your form 6 life as your self-boost training.

If your result is good, you can apply to most of the prestigious uni, like cambridge.

just wan to ask about school rules in form 6..i heard u hav to cut damn short hair for most of the skools like secondary skool...
im waiting for years just to get pass those stupid hair cutting rules in secondary skool....so wan me to get back into these shits is a big no no....
just wan to ask is it true?

This post has been edited by The Silent Killer: Nov 28 2008, 02:19 AM

Yes. Follow the rule please if you want to go form 6. Most of the Form 6 school have strict rules, imo.

how bout A levels then? also i heard schooling hours for A levels is less than form 6 rite? i dun mind paying to go A levels, because i wan to work part time...
form 6 schooling hours are to restricting on my schedule...

Despite what I said in my previous post on this thread,I am proud for being a form 6 student!!!It was tough,and the most important thing is that u have to have very strong self-disipline to get through that one and a half year.
I failed to perform well but here I am,in a local uni learning something I enjoy and I think the hard work and failures in the past paid off.I am stronger compared to students from matriculation too.

This post has been edited by lovelyduckling: Nov 28 2008, 08:05 AM

I think it depends, in the school where I done my form 6, teachers see us as "adult", they don't mind us bring handphone to school as long as you don't overdo it (e.g. use the phone during the class. ), and of course we must know what we doing.

form 6 to me is just like an entry pass to go into local universities but then again the chances of going into universities with your prefer course are rather slim. thanks to our government.
so if you want to go form 6 make sure you will be among the top among whole Malaysia form 6 students.
if not it is just a waste of time might as well spend your 2 years to get a diploma, at least when you come out to working environment diploma is a step higher than form 6.
that's my 2 cents.

but diploma normally had a hard time if you want to top up to a degree.. end up waste more time in the end..

well.. in my sch, teachers normally close one eyes on f6 'adults' haha.. of course there is a limit to it

why say so?

lol IMO you can easily work part time if yer doin F6. You end skool at 1.30 or 2PM MAX, everyday. Unless you're talkin about staying back for other stuff. You can easily work a 6 or 7 hour shift there. Of coz when studying is concerned I dun think you'll be interested in getting a part time job.

Speaking of rules, rules are there for a reason. Why bother to play with hairstyles when you're supposed to be focusing on studying? Rules on mobile phones differ from skool to skool. I guess as long as the basic rules are followed (hair, attire, timing) you won't get into trouble coz the skool will shut an eye on wut yer doin. Afterall you're an adult, technically speaking.

My 2 cents. If you're going to study practically the same thing in both F6 and A Levels, why pay more to study the same thing? You're still going to put in the same amount of effort. You are even given the opportunity to further your studies for FREE locally, with the chance to further in foreign or private universities of your choice if you choose to decline the IPTA course. All those paid by your and your parent's taxes (you pay taxes when you buy stuff, 5% gov tax?). Why pay more lah?

Go enjoy your post-SPM days while you still can. LOL.

i was a f6 student at VI.erm..in my opinion,ada advantages ada disadvantages lor.jz depends on wat u wan =)
taking f6 -- its tough,really de .. work hard hard,results still so so .. unless u r really pandai n really work hard hard til blur la =) but it do save lotz $$ .. nt tat burdening .. bt bear in mind, its quite risky oso .. hw to say? erm.. my frens who were same batch wif me , we worked hard 2geta 4 stpm , but many of dem cant get into local uni .. especially if u r thking to get into science stream as me .. in my class, nt sombong la,only 5 out of 34 ppl can get into local uni (of coz,im 1 of da '5') so wat others who cant get into uni do? dey were forced to get back to private uni / college lor .. sum course even wan dem study from diploma level again ler .. in tis field, dey r wasting $$ n time .. pity dem .. appeal n appeal pun still cant get into local uni ..

all da best to u =)

f6 stpm is one of the hardest test in the world. serious.

the only way to get into public U.

but if u dont get to enter, then it woudl be a waste of time of half a year.
compare to 5years degree programme after completing F5.

if u straight masuk private U, u hv to prepare some $$$.

I don't agree with form 6 being spoon fed. We might have teachers to teach us dedicatedly but most of the time we are on our own. Teachers are there to guide us. It's like lecturers in college. If we are able to find our own info so that we can score. Teachers are there to let us understand the syllabus.

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Added on November 29, 2008, 4:15 pmbrother, it's no longer the hardest test in the world. I think the standard has dropped. It's not as tough as what people saying. I din get my 4 flat but i believe it's not impossible.. The questions are still tough but then as long as we use our brains and study hard i think its fine...

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Added on November 29, 2008, 4:22 pmOne tip.. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE think when you fill in the 8 choices when choosing the local uni. It's very important. Choose courses that is on par with your results. with a 3.8 don't even think of putting Dentistry or Pharmacy. You will ended up with some "pertanian" course.
Examples :
UM medic - 4.0
Unimas medic - 3.9 if u are lucky but mostly bumis from matrix
Pharmacy in 2007/2008 intake... with a 3.92 can't enter but got Biomedic instead.

I suggest you all go check with your seniors or cousellors before applying coz this is your future.
I'm doing Biohealth Science now in University of Malaya. My course requirement is only 3.0 but lowest CGPA (STPM) - 3.5 and only 14 chinese in my course (total 32) so, if you are below 3.5, you'll be kicked to another course again!...

That's why your first 4 choices are important... THINK properly...

p/s : if you get some lousy course, i suggest you go in first.... get a place then switch course... it's how uni works. I have friends from sc faculty switching to LAW!! imagine.... that's cool huh? (provided you did well in your first yr)



This post has been edited by khoohuiwern: Nov 29 2008, 04:22 PM

F6 is a tough road...
All subjects are not easy to master,have to put a LOT of effort in it.
If you are not hardworking enough,it's better you take another path instead of F6.

I read somewhere saying Form 6 is the 3rd hardest test in the world so enough said. If you got good result in Form 6 you can go to oversea to further your study. It is much cheaper than doing foundation or A-Level. If you still haven't decided which course you are going to take, go for form 6. It will help you think a bit. You get more experience there and you are more mature than the students who undergo other pre-u education. You can adapt to things faster later as well. If you didn't get public uni, you can still go elsewhere later.

This post has been edited by Nekochan: Nov 29 2008, 10:39 PM

I agree with Nekochan... Go get a good think about form 6. But if you go in without heart... Better stay away from it. Go through it with full determination. Anything is possible.
Life is about decision.

Remember the Road not Taken?

well.. to me form 6 is da last choice... jus go an apply anything.. any colloge.. government ones.. get a scholaship.. try lar...

if ur rich den jus go private...

if ur not tat rich.. den f6 lo... but f6 is really really tough.. n u have to get great results...

ya, dun come to usm engineering campus.. mushroom will grow on ur head. At least the hostel is a big cc. can play all sorts of game(dota, cz), share movies, series and etc. but other than that, there is no gals, no entertainment, and in the middle of ulu-ulu town..

NOo..... DO NOT GO INTO F6 thinking it's your last choice. You're better off learning some skills. You'll screw not juz yourself but your class as well if you go in thinking it's your last choice. You drag everybody down. If F6 is your last choice, go learn to repair handphones or cars or something.

And why would the difficulty of an exam be the indicator for acceptance? All Pre-U exams are difficult to an extent. They are not easy for a reason. Think about it, after Pre-U it'll be degree and then it'll be the working environment. They has gotta make it hard. It's gonna involve somebody's life or money in some way or another!

Easy way out = foundation (provided you know what to do already)
Bright way out = A levels or STPM
Cheap way out = STPM (or A levels wit a scholarship)
Better way out = ASEAN scholarship or some international scholarship or some scholarship given by some big guns.
Best way out = make your pillow higher and think about it b4 you go to sleep.

i want 2 enter form 6 next year but a dun know how? i took my spm in year 2004.. can i go for public school o private?

huh? why u so late only enter Form 6?

If i'm not sure have to be 2 years upon grad from spm. but you need to call n ensure la..

It's much cheaper compared to other Pre-U courses.
From rough calculation you can settle whole Form 6 within RM 1k, whereas you've to spend maybe up to 10k or more for other courses.

Anyway, STPM is said to be much difficult compared to A Levels, SAM, SAT etc. More effort is needed in order to score well, and depends on your luck, whether you get a dedicated teacher or not.

STPM cert however, is kinda limited to the university within this region, going as far as Aus or NZ.

I am not interested to study in local uni, wat is the benefit of Form 6?
money is not the problem for me, therefore i have 2 choices but i donno which one is better.

Huh? If STPM is so limited, how did my classmate (I'm from STPM) go to Cambridge? And one guy from my neighbouring class get Monbukagakusho Scholarship from Japan? STPM is widely recognized in most if not all Commonwealth countries. You don't even need to translate your cert. Elsewhere, you may need to take additional tests but if you're good in STPM, I can hardly see how other tests can give you too much difficulty.

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Added on December 5, 2008, 4:44 pmF6 is risky because if you're ambitious, you need to score 4.00 (best possible). And you need to be active in cocurricular activities. Scoring 4.00 is not impossible but it's hard. + active in cocu = even harder. You need luck also when it gets to this level. Have you watched 21? If you want to go to the best schools, it is THAT intense. You need to wow the dean.

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Dec 5 2008, 04:46 PM

Yes. A lot of people think anything from Western countries must be the best.

In fact, STPM is so tough and good that they have to create another thing called matriculasi. Now you know why.

Even though I have not taken STPM myself, I think they are even tougher than A Level. With STPM, everything is dependent on that 1 final examination at the end of it. No resit and no split paper taking unlike A Level.

The ONLY reason why you would want to take STPM is because our local public (read...cheap in cost) universities demanded it.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 5 2008, 04:48 PM

Hey guys.. I'm going to form 6 next year due to financial issues.
Unfortunately, I know what I wanna study, Architecture. But.. sigh.

Any subjects in form 6 that is relevant or helpful to Architectural studies? Help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Hi there,

My two cents about STPM - don't waste your time there. And this is coming from someone who has been there done that. I'm 40 this year and in my school days people go for STPM and almost guaranteed a place in university if they do well. Nowadays, I won't bet on it. STPM is a high standard exam I agree but the reward isn't matching.

If money is a problem, try applying TAR College Kampar. They have a very good schemes for poor students. I know the Dean and they are doing a lot to help students from poor family. The only problem TAR is facing now is students coming in with high SPM/STPM scores but very poor grasp in English. Most are from Chinese schools and when lectures and textbooks are dished out in English, many flop. So, please boys and girls, do well in your English.

As for Architecture, it's an expensive degree. Very expensive, sometimes more expensive that a medical degree. If you go to a "setengah masak" university which is cheap, your degree will not be recognised and no firm will want to hire you because designing a building involves human lives. A good architecture isn't about beauty. First and foremost it's safety. The best uni for architecture today is University of Texas, US. If you can graduate from there, you will have no problem getting a job or run your own firm someday.

and the reason why some do not take STPM is because of its inherent unfairness when applying for local IPTA.
there are many examples I could summon, and race will always be an issue in this land.

It's better to take foundation in any private U already...
Save some time...

Foundation is probably the easiest and fastest. But foundation is the least flexible.

Only do it if:
1. You know which university/country you wanted to go later.
2. What course you wanted to do later.

Otherwise, strongly suggest either STPM or A Levels.

If you can take a good result in UEC,go ahead,it is useful for your university enquirement~
If cant ,go ahead to the collage,wont regret~

Take up physics subject, go to science class..
MUST take physics tuition, its not for the weak minded..

ps. I dropped physics XD

Physic is one of those subject that you either

1. don't get it and it will be hell and you can't even get thro' by memorizing or

2. Understand the concept and it will will truly be a piece of cake. You don't even have to memorize and you still do ok in exam.

IMO, it's a ALL or NON type of subject.

totally agree.... * ex-STPMer here *

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Added on December 7, 2008, 3:19 pmgot $$??? go straight for A-Levels/SAM/Canadian Matriks lar... don't waste ur time in form6... ( unless u can't decide wat u wanna do... )

This post has been edited by moniqee: Dec 7 2008, 03:19 PM

i think physics is a requirement to enter this course in public unis. But if talking about relevancy, no, physics is not helping your course much later. I'm now studying engineering in UPM (currently second year) and my hostel consists of students from the engineering and architecture fields. So i know quite a bit of this course from them

From what I heard from my friends, architecture is a more project based course (still got written paper as well but their weighing is not much, just a little portion) where they normally need to draft the design out, build the model up, show it to their lecturers and after getting the approval from the lecturers they will then need to present to a group of lecturers and be prepared to get bombarded by lots of questions. This course requires a more creative side from the students and not to scare you off, i usually spot them staying up almost all night(for a few days) when assignments and presentations are going to due kesian they always seem busy

If you're good in drawing, creative, and are ready to sleep only few hours everyday then go for this course. But be careful when selecting your course because in UPM, after you have completed the degree course(3 yrs), you are only able to work as an assistant architect, and to eligible to become an architect yourself, you'll need to futher your studies for another 2 years But in other uni such as UKM, you just need to complete the degree course (not sure how many years though but should be 4 yrs) and can become architect.

Another friend of mine who is now studying Building Tech in USM says that his course is also similar to architecture and a lot of projects and assignments.

Well i guess that's all i want to share. If u have any question, feel free to ask~ I'll try my best to answer

and lastly good luck to all out there who are going to opt for f6 path! It isn't as scary as most people say

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Added on December 7, 2008, 11:54 pmi think if you really want to study f6, the only option is to study in private schools or colleges but i'm afraid there's a age limit to sit for stpm. Can't remember well but i think it's somewhere 21-25 yrs old. Maybe i'm wrong though. Good luck to you



This post has been edited by snowy_sharz: Dec 7 2008, 11:54 PM

U can enter local Uni.
save money.
But u x get to study what you want to study.

Thanks snowy_sharz for clearing part of my doubts..

I have tonnes to questions to bombard here actually.. just taking my time to figure them out. lol.

So here's a few. Are there many people taking architecture in your Uni? UPM, that is. Is the competitive level in that field high? Do your friends regret taking or rather, choosing Architecture as their course?

And yes, another one.. what are the chances that I can get to study what I desire, Architecture, In a local Uni, like UPM, USM.. etc. Consider the competitiveness.

Thanks a lot for helping me clearing my dark clouds.

Usually when you enter Form 6, you probably have to score very high 3 pointers to get architecture ( in my opinion ) STPM is harder compared to other examinations and even if you scored really well in it, doesn't guarantee you a place in the course you want. So if you have the money, go do something you really like xD Saves you from disappointment in the future.

Sorry to put this post in this thread, but this is for your info:

For those who got good results in SPM (8As and above), TAR College is giving scholarships for you to do Cambridge A-level there.

A-Level tuition fees (whole course)
- Science : RM8463
- Arts : RM6552

SPM:
9As and above -> 100% tuition fees scholarship
8As -> 75% tuition fees scholarship
To maintain the scholarship, you would have to get at least 60% in every test. There are no interviews (at least during my time)

Which means you would only have to pay Cambridge Exam Fees and a few other miscellaneous fees - About RM1800 in 2006/07, would have probably increased a bit.

If you want to take STPM, they also have it at TAR College. (They also have scholarships - same criteria as above)

What I like about TAR College is that they are a college, hence they have good facilities - 6-floors library, a sports complex, 2 canteens, ICT centre, many clubs and societies, good public transportation (near LRT)

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Dec 14 2008, 03:56 PM

but most teenagers would prefer to go out to further their studies right? why stuck at your useless hometown when you have the chance to go out and see and experience more?

It's good to experience the outside world. But my hometown is not useless. I'd love to stay one day longer in my hometown. When you leave your hometown, trust me, you'd miss it dearly. To those who will be leaving their hometown, treasure your time there while you still can.

I guess sometimes choose a location that near to hometown will be a good location to study. For some reasons, studying outside might cost a lot and it will be a burden to your family.



For Form 6, the advantage can be:
Local university - mostly 2.0 pointer can get into any of them, but depends on luck too, sometimes.
But for local university, you might got a chance that you are not getting the course that you want (happens a lot and I consider myself as a lucky one because I get the course I want), and saves money as well as easier to find a job with the local UNI cert.

However, you will be wasting your 2 years time if you failed to get a 2.0 pointer or with your Pengajian Am fail. For some reason, Form 6 is quite tough too, so make a careful decision.
Form 6 cert. is not useful for further study at other countries too (I don't know why they only accept A-Level).

that means Local Private Uni cert cannot find jobs easily, even though they are approved (diluluskan oleh) by MQA, LAN, MoHE etc.......??

come on, i thought that STPM/Form 6 cert is very useful if wanna apply for overseas University??

you're welcome
From what i know, UPM slashed almost half of the students intake starting 06/07 intake for degree courses coz they want to increase postgraduate intake to boost up their uni ranking. . Other unis i'm not sure.. There are a few types of architecture courses in my uni (pure architecture, industrial design, landscape architecture). For pure architecture course, there are only 40+ students in the course, whereby majority are bumi students. Chinese is around 15-17 ppl, no more than 20. landscape architecture has also around that figure(maybe slightly more), whereas industrial design consists only 2 chinese students, weird huh? <this is for my batch, but the juniors seems more or less of the same numbers>

About the pointer, to be safe, it's better to have 3.5+ or 3.6+ (this is what the majority of the architecture students got in stpm in my batch) in order to apply architecture, but this varies every year, depending on the overall stpm performance. Other uni like ukm may require higher pointer. so the best is to discuss with your caunselling teacher coz he/she will probably have the analysis results of what is the minimum pointer u need to enter for each course and uni. There is also a website (in chinese) 'quanshengweb' i think, it provides the infos of past few years of how many chinese per course, and total students per course, what is the min cgpa, max, and mod. so u can use it as a guideline but not sure whether the site is still working or not or under maintenance lol

about my fren who is studying 'building tech' in usm, his pointer is just 3.0+ but he put that as his first choice, so he got it. and his class is quite big. i think 80+ ppl in that course. wow that's a lot!

some got regret, some enjoying their course very much.. depends on oneself

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Added on December 15, 2008, 4:13 pmya lo..it's a burden to study far away from hometown especially when the bus fare keeping to hike up and cost of living is kinda high
and yes, one more thing, if fail in stpm pengajian am, then no more chance to enter public uni d coz that's the 'must' basic requirement
and yes, undeniable, f6 is not easy and kinda tough..

like latios said, sometimes depends on luck also ..
But i know f6 cert is widely recognised, most uni will accept, just that they didn't state it out maybe it's less popular compared to A-level , for example:
pre-university qualification: A-levels, SAM, etc etc and its [/B]equivalent [ .
so the 'equivalence' here mayb refer to stpm etc whch are not listed out but for this case, we got to contact the college or uni to confirm.

This post has been edited by snowy_sharz: Dec 15 2008, 04:29 PM

I am still undecided on pursuing accounting or engineering...

what is the minimum CGPA for applying this 2 courses in Form 6?
does cocurriculum affect the CGPA much? cause I am not active in cocu

is the subject offered and syllabus similar to CAL? is STPM in English?



So, why do ppl say study form 6 is for Local-U?

This post has been edited by macamtakada: Dec 15 2008, 05:01 PM

it is entirely up to u to choose either f6, cal, or sam.. if u have the fund and not willing to study for 2 years then go for cal or sam as the duration of the course is only 1 year.
but if u want to study pubic uni(degree) , the only option is either matrix, f6, or diploma.

To get accounting course in public uni, u need to get 4.0 or near to it. for engineering, if u r looking for electric and electronics or chemical engineering, again, u need almost 4.0 to get into 'established' public unis.. as for evaluation:
stpm = 90%
coco = 10%
stpm is not worldly recognised, but widely recognised.
In form 6, i did A levels past year papers and i would said that the English used is more advanced, more difficult to understand and digest compared to f6's. In terms of difficulty, form 6's questions are tougher. Just my opinion though. The syllabus are similar, however, f6 covers wider scope and need to study more things. Subjects offered are almost the same, except general paper ( the language used lol)

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Added on December 15, 2008, 5:08 pmi think the term used is not accurate. It should be 'public' uni instead of 'local' uni..

This post has been edited by snowy_sharz: Dec 15 2008, 05:23 PM

becoz people go study Form 6 is becoz so wan to get into public uni


if u study course like A-Levels or sumthing else from private colleges den its harder to get into public uni



i tink it had to do with sumthing like the fact tat people who do Form 6 becoz family kenot afford A-levels , so priority to them to get into public uni
just an untested theory lar

i did form 6 but i din go public uni
they offered me sum kind of new uni called KUKUM to do manufacturing engineering
my family wun let me go there

If u wanna take up courses like media, graphic design, etc, dun waste time on form 6.

wow, KUKUM is located in Perlis, kinda kampung town/state yea.......?
then, where are u studying right now? what courses?

if i'm not mistaken, kukum is now unimap

hmm.. maybe your hometown's a good one.. but for me, my hometown's defferent, man.. my hometown's the place where all the gangsters triumph.. that's why i say my hometown's a useless one..

Yeap, my hometown's best in the world: Malacca (I don't care what everyone else wanna say).

But yeah, all of us should have ambition and aim for something bigger, go out and experience the world.

Well.. For some reason, overseas might not useful is because they said that STPM is not hard enough if compared to A-level due to the medium of language used in STPM. STPM uses Malay and A-Level is English. The differences make it is harder for STPM cert holders to take a place in local university. If you want to study overseas, Diploma and A-level will be the better choice.

If you have the desire to go into local UNI, then make sure your pointer over 2.0 and PA (Pengajian Am) must get a credit / a C.

I tried to apply English course with my MUET results last year in an Australia university, and they rejected my MUET result (even I got a lower band 6) as they said that is not IETLS nor TOEFL.

Then about the cert from private UNIs, even though they are approved by LAN and MoHE, but for some reason (I hope you understand what I mean)... it will have a little disadvantage compared to local government UNI.




Yeah, perhaps STPM is usable in oversea universities, who knows (for local is surely accepted). Nobody knows why, but studying Form 6 is another way for us to get into local universities (include private).

And, macamtakada, STPM is in Malay, for some science subjects, like Maths S and Maths T, it will be in English.

For Aussie unis, memang need IELTS. Why did u even bother applying with your MUET? They won't look at it. And since u said u got Band 6 for your MUET, I'm very sure you can do very well in IELTS (8.0 or even 8.5 maybe). Just the fees pain.

And STPM is widely recognized by Commonwealth countries lah. You don't even need to translate your STPM cert for Aussie unis. They recognize/accept your STPM result slip just as it is. I'm speaking from my personal experience applying to Aussie unis.

And, for those who can only afford STPM and still want to go overseas, don't worry. You can apply to many renowned foreign universities with STPM. Sometimes, you may need to take some additional tests for certain unis. But if you can reach that stage, you shouldn't have much problem already. Only money problem. Your only realistic solution in this case is to secure a scholarship.

Basically, if you take STPM and you score 4.00 with decent cocu, you can go anywhere you want in this world. US need SAT tho. But SAT is kacang compared to STPM. (And you should take SAT in lower 6, not upper 6)

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Dec 16 2008, 01:50 AM

Actually it depends on what u are going to study for your degree level also. besides that;
$$ = STPM cheaper , A Level expensive unless you get full scholarship.
duration= STPM longer , A Level shorter(something like that)
Local Uni= STPM yes,but depends on your result
Private College/Oversea= Choose A Level
Well, it depends on your choice actually.hope it helps and good luck.

if money is not a prob for u, i thk u better go for A levels or other foundation course..
form 6 is nt easy, although some may say dat its standard has dropped, bt stil i thk its harder than A levels and those foundation..
stpm 100% final exam bt A levels and foundation u can rely on ur coursework mark..
so, chosse form 6 if only u wan enter local U and u r a vry smart and hardworking person..
if nt dun play play wf ur future..

dats my opinion lar.. i was a form6 student, failed to get course i wan in local U, end up paying more $$ go to private U..

eeeekk, silap post

This post has been edited by CarroTT: Dec 16 2008, 09:41 AM

Hey, Latios..
STPM is using English nw, no longer malay leh..
im nt sure abt the language level of A level compared to STPM,
bt i thk dat A levels is easier, since u have coursework to cover if ur final results r nt gud,
u can retake or resit the paper as well
nt like in STPM, ur cert depends solely on the final exam..
ur 1++ year study will be tested and graded on dat short three weeks..
and it determines ur future as well..

yaya, STPM is very dangerous & risky.........
come on, A-level is 100% depends on Final Exam only, no coursework to cover etc.........
just that A-level got 2 Final Exams that make it quite special, namely the AS Exam (50%) & A2 Exam (50%)

P/S: actually Malaysian STPM concept is evolved from U.K A-levels, just that STPM is being localised to match Malaysian standard...... and many Malaysian students don't know about this

This post has been edited by marine88: Dec 16 2008, 10:40 AM

STPM is not tough lar, most of my time i was just sleeping n fooling around

anyway, its cheap to go Form 6, oni few hundred bucks
its just an asswipe cert when u r done with it anyway, just a passport to go uni
make mummy n daddi much more hepi coz can save up money
anyway, rather ask daddy to buy u a car with that money tat they saved up

oops.. sorry.. i was wrong then..
bt stil it got two finals, nt like STPM only got one..

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Added on December 16, 2008, 11:54 ammaybe dat bcos u r genius lor..
haha






This post has been edited by snoopy88: Dec 16 2008, 11:54 AM

What's your results then?

That's the whole point of taking pre-u right? To get you into uni. What else did you expect?

Yea, daddy and mummy work hard to earn money, son just wanna spend it away happily. I don't know bout your parents, but mine work hard for the money and I'm not going to spend the money as if it's my right. Because it is never my right.

Is it, snoopy88? I graduated in year 2006 and my subjects are all Malay (BM, PA, Ekonomi and Sejarah). I think only science subjects (Bio, Chem, Phys, Maths...) are in English...

Try to save some money as you will spend more when you are in UNI.

This post has been edited by Latios: Dec 16 2008, 05:00 PM

yupe. For science stream, all subjects were and are in English except Pengjian Am..

Oic.. I tot u meant all subjects are in malay..
correct lor.. only science and maths are in english, others are all in malay..
im one year senior than u.. i graduated in 2005 and i was a bio student..

Just wanna ask ...

how thick is form 6 textbook and which subjects are compulsory to take? (1000 pages full of words??)
minimum and maximum subjects ?

if science stream, u must have minimum 4 subjects
compulsory maths T, PA, Chemistry
then u can choose either add fizik or biology
or take all 5


arts i dunno ooo

Pengajian Am is compulsory subject.
Minimum 4 subjects
maximum I dont know but mostly 5 subjects
Then how thick each subject's text book? I would say it depends on which subject.
for example, if you take sejarah,then you need to study 4 books.

Yup... Except PA (but PA also 2 books and most parts in PA1 is boring)...
Min is 4 subjects and maximum is 5. I am taking 5 including Chinese. in STPM.
For Arts side, you will got the option to take Seni, Bahasa Malaysia, Sejarah, Geografi, Ekonomi I think. (not really sure as when I was in form 6 these are my options).

Subjects offered will differ by school. You'll be offered to do form 6 in a school selected by the Education Department. You could then try apply for other schools if you want to. In this respect, STPM's practical combination of subjects is rather limited and rigid. Most schools don't offer uncommon subjects due to lack of expertise in that subject or they don't want to risk performing poorly.

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Dec 18 2008, 01:27 AM