So , by default, my pc is using Windows bootloader?
Btw, are all the instalation files same for all Linux(ubuntu, fedora,debian)?

This post has been edited by beyond_99: Oct 29 2008, 10:44 PM

Yes. It may not be visible at first. But when you installed more than one windows on the same pc then you should see it.

What do you mean by installation file? Is it the package that those distributions include or is it the installation process?

As for installation process you really don't have to worry much. Most Linux distros are pretty easy to install nowadays. Apart from the disk partitioning part, may be a bit confusing for those who have not done it before.

If you are asking about the packages, most Linux distros come with pretty much the same package. Major differences may be in the choice of Desktop Environment. (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc) Other than that most basic packages should be there, only the version might be slightly different.

I mean the installation files of software such as Opera.
Diffent distro need different or same instalation file of software?
I had decided to install on my external hdd(mobo support USB boot)
I dun have problem with partitioning(done it before).
Then, I need GRUB to boot Linux, right?

Depends. Some installer are distro dependent, some aren't. Example, opera packages its software into specific package for most popular distros. But if your distro is not listed you still can use the "Generic" package. It might also be possible to use, for example, Ubuntu packages on Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu). As long as the dependencies are satisfied you should have no problem installing and running the software.

Btw, you can try to get software from the openSUSE build service. It support building packages for other distros. (I don't think you can get proprietary software from there though.)

http://software.opensuse.org/search



Yeah. Unless you wan to try something unconventional, like LILO.

This post has been edited by sc4bbk: Oct 30 2008, 08:33 PM

I personally like Ubuntu 8.10. As bug are fixed from the previous release of 8.04, it has been more and more to my likings. Try it out! U'll like it..

Kenali Distro Linux

Linux adalah inti(kernel) sistem pengoperasian yang mirip Unix, tetapi untuk menjadikan ia persekitaran OS yg lengkap perlulah tools lain seperti pengkompil, cengkerang (shell), pengurus tetingkap (window manager) dan persekitaran desktop. Sebenarnya sistem pengoperasian ini sepatutnya dipanggil GNU/Linux, tetapi sudah menjadi kebiasaan untuk memanggilnya "Linux" sahaja.

Kita boleh membina sendiri persekitaran Linux sendiri dengan memuatturun kod sumber dari internet dan mengkompilnya sendiri (malah ada panduan untuk melakukan sedemikian di laman projek LFS - Linux From Scratch), tetapi ini memakan masa yang lama dan memerlukan kemahiran. Oleh itu, biasanya kita memasang Linux daripada koleksi yang telah dibuat oleh pihak lain, sama ada syarikat, organisasi atau individu. Koleksi perisian ini dipanggil "distribution" atau "distro" Linux.

Setiap distro akan mempunyai perisian tersendiri untuk memasang perisian yang dipanggil pengurus pakej. Antara cara pengurusan pakej yang popular ialah rpm, apt-get, pkgtool. Ada juga distro yang memasang perisian daripada kod sumber seperti gentoo dengan portage dan emerge.

Dokumentasi ini merupakan panduan yang ringkas tentang distro-distro yang boleh dipilih utk. memasang Linux.

1. Redhat

Redhat merupakan distro yang paling popular dan boleh dikatakan sinonim dengan "Linux". Ia merupakan antara distro awal yang memuatkan ciri-ciri installer mesra-pengguna. Redhat menyediakan koleksi perisian yang mantap dan terkini. Untuk perisian seperti pengkompil gcc, Redhat merupakan distro yang akan menyediakan versi yang terbaru dgn features yang terbaru. Pengurusan pakejnya ialah rpm, dan konfigurasi sistem dilakukan dengan tools mesra-pengguna yang disediakan oleh Redhat. Ini menjadikan Redhat distro yang bagus untuk desktop dan server.

2. Mandrake

Mandrake merupakan distro yag berasaskan rpm juga, dan ia mirip kpd Redhat dari segi konfigurasi sistem. Fokus Mandrake ialah "mesra pengguna" dan 'terkini", dan distro ini adalah untuk desktop. Ia kurang sesuai dijadikan server kerana kestabilannya tidak berapa mantap, kerana terdapa perisian-perisian dalam distro ini yang belum cukup stabil untuk dilaksanakan 24/7. Walau bagaimanapun, ia sesuai digunakan untuk "newbies" yang baru nak berjinak-jinak dengan Linux kerana ia ramah pengguna.

3. Debian

Debian merupakan distro yang digemari pengaturcara dan sysadmin yang menggunakan perisian "Free", kerana ia dibina atas usaha sukarelawan sepenuhnya. Ia menggunakan pengurus pakej "apt" yang sangat mudah digunakan, tetapi pemasangan untuk kali pertama mungkin agak rumit bagi "newbies". Debian menyediakan pakej yang stabil dan juga yang baru, dan pakej untuk Debian mudah didapati.


4. SuSE

SuSE merupakan distro yang juga rpm-based, dan berasal dari Jerman. Fokusnya ialah enterprise-computing, high-perfomance computing dan workstation. Jika anda membeli SuSE, anda akan mendapat dokumentasi yang sangat teliti dan lengkap. SuSE tidak menyediakan ISO, tetapi anda boleh memasangnya secara percuma menggunakan ftp. SuSE juga menyediakan persekitaran Linux untuk pemproses 64-bit baru yang berprestasi tinggi seperti ppc64, opteron dan itanium2.

5. Slackware

Slackware merupakan antara distro Linux yang terawal, dan merupakan distro yang tertua yang survive sampai hari ini. Pembangunan untuk distro ini agak perlahan, tetapi ia merupakan distro yang sangat stabil. Ia menggunakan pengurus pakej pkgtool yang ringkas dan mudah. Persekitarannya mirip kpd. BSD dan bukannya Sys V seperti Redhat atau Mandrake. Pengurusan sistem dilakukan secara "tradisional" iaitu mengedit fail konfigurasi menggunakan penunting teks. Ia sesuai untuk orang yang sudah biasa dgn sistem Unix lain, ataupun "newbies" yang ingin mempelajari Linux dengan mendalam.

6. Gentoo

Gentoo merupakan distro yang membolehkan anda configure dan customize dan optimize Linux anda semaksima yang mungkin, kerana ia memasang perisian dengan menggunakan cara kompilasi kod sumber. Ia tidak sukar seperti LFS, tetapi memakan masa yang agak lama untuk membuat semua kompilasi. Ia menggunakan sistem "portage" yang mirip kpd "ports" FreeBSD untuk menguruskan pakej.

7. Knoppix

Knoppix merupakan "Live CD" Linux yang boleh dilaksanakan terus daripada CDROM tanpa perlu dipasang. Ia sangat mudah digunakan kerana tidak perlu kpd pemasangan, tetapi ia juga boleh dipasang. Ia berasaskan Debian, dan menggunakan pengurus pakej apt.

Demikianlah senarai distro-distro yang popular pada masa kini. Terdapat ratusan lagi distro lain yang anda boleh lihat sendiri di http://www.distrowatch.com . Panduan ini hanyalah pengenalan kpd distro-distro yang popular sahaja.

Oh yer, websites:

1) Redhat - http://www.redhat.com (free ISO download utk standard edition)

2) Mandrake - http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ (free ISO download utk standard edition)

3) Debian - http://www.debian.org (free ISO download utk mana-mana supported arch)

4) SuSE - http://www.suse.com (free ftp install for standard version, no ISO)

5) Slackware - http://www.slackware.com (free ISO download utk cd pertama)

6) Gentoo - http://www.gentoo.org (free ISO download utk mana-mana supported arch)

7) Knoppix - http://www.knoppix.net/ (free ISO download)

Guys, what distro is the best for my needs?

my daily task:
*microsoft office (openoffice's powerpoint can be opened on microsoft powerpoint? openoffice can open ms office 2007's filetype?)
*firefox
*foobar2000 for mp3 (or other player that is light and similar to foobar)
*a player that can run mkv files (high definition video 720p and 1080p)
*can support usb hsdpa huawei e220 modem
*can read ntfs partition
*kde 4

ubuntu 8.10? linux mint?

This post has been edited by mfa333: Nov 5 2008, 07:17 PM

Yo scorps.... I feel like im in Indonesia.... Berbelit my tongue reading. Good effort tho!

Foobar do not support Linux.
U have to use windows emulator in order to run foobar and Windows app.

hello Linuxian <-- is this a right word???

Fedora-Core user coming through!

Firefox has great support for Linux, but I use opera anyway.
Personally i think Amarok is good enough for my music needs, so i don't use foobar.
The ability to play multimedia files (mkv, avi, wma etc) depends on the multimedia backend and the codec available in your system, so not really an issue with player.
I'm using kaffein and mkv files play just fine.
For celcom modems (Globe surfer and blue cube) i depends in UMTSmon to connect them to internet. Should work with Huawei modem as well.
and for NTFS support, most distros comes with ntfs-3g so you can read and write to NTFS partitions.

And for microsoft office, I think Open Office's writer is good enough. But Impress(power point) is a bit impossible for me. In the case when i need to make nice presentation slides i'll just fire up Windows XP from VirtualBox and launce Office 2007 from there.

Open office will open Microsoft Office's documents without problem. But if you wan to open OpenOffice documents in microsoft office, take a look at
"Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office"


Oh, btw, did I forgot to mention I'm openSUSE user?

This post has been edited by sc4bbk: Nov 5 2008, 04:19 PM

thanks for the tips...

for you, which distro suits me best?


p/s: forgot to mention i need kde4 too

If you need KDE4, i suggest you go for Distro with KDE 4.1. Personally i think KDE4.0 is not very useble even in openSUSE. (Ppl say that they have the best KDE4 integration)

So far for the main GNU/Linux distro only Mandriva and Kubuntu officially come with KDE4.1. I installed Mandriva 2009.0 on my friend's laptop before. Quite stable. But I do not particularly like the distro bcuz of its package management & Network Configuration. I haven't tried Kubuntu 8.10 though.

If you dun need KDE4 then I'll say openSUSE 11.0 or Mint 5 (Gnome/KDE). You might need to mount NTFS partition on your own(the point & click in KDE3.5.9 has some problems) and install codecs, driver etc in openSUSE though. Mint 5 is really easy to use. Almost everything work out of the box. But i'm using openSUSE now cuz my laptop works best with it and it's really powerful.

If you wan a lot of community support then go for Ubuntu.

The choice is yours

This post has been edited by sc4bbk: Nov 5 2008, 08:51 PM

which should i go....

mint is all-rounder for beginner but no kde4.
ubuntu have abit problems with codecs and no kde4 too...
opensuse have prob with ntfs mounting..
kubuntu= same as ubuntu right(with just kde4 instead of gnome)?

Why do you need KDE4 so much actually? I think Mint's Gnome is pretty user friendly and cool at the same time.
openSUSE does has problem with point-and-click NTFS mounting. But if you learn how to do it with command line, then there is no problem.
Kubuntu you can give it a try, but I can't give comment on their latest version cuz I haven't tried it yet.

If you really want to customize your music player/manager, you can try GMusicBrowser. It's very customizable like foobar2000, but it's a little buggy at the moment because it's still in its beta.


Strictly speaking, you are a Fedora user, not Fedora-Core user. Starting from Fedora 7, Fedora Core and Fedora Extras repositories are merged.

Or are you using Fedora Core 1 - 6??

amarok..is rock ! heeh...great for music...im just using acs 45.1 and do minor equalizer .adjustment.. produce clean bass...

Rythmbox is pretty cool too, clean interface.

amarok need KDE based linux right? how to get it working in ubuntu? i'm more into sound tweaking/adjustment than cooler interface...

Amarok can run on Gnome Desktop (which is Ubuntu default desktop maanager) too but if you want a KDE based Ubuntu, get Kubuntu.