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friedricetheman
post Nov 5 2009, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(BikerVoodoo @ Nov 5 2009, 05:17 AM)
Lots of results for "How to spot a fake Rolex" on Google, even videos.

Here are just a few links which may help:
http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html
http://www.productdose.com/article.php?article_id=6460
http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-spot-a-fake...000000000796968

Here's some info on Rolex manufacturing: http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/showthread.php?t=2161
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thanks, BikerVoodoo. Very informative. smile.gif But problem is, Rolex replicas are getting better and better. Still, there is ONE way left to tell them apart without opening the caseback. smile.gif brows.gif
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Friedrice: Absolutely true. In fact everyone seems to think my Rolex is a fake! I would never buy a used Rolex without having an authorised distributor authenticate it. You can even buy used boxes complete with manuals, chronometer cert/card and tool on Ebay. There's a guy in Vietnam selling 316L steel Sea-Dweller cases which he claims is 1:1 replacement quality.

Bottom line, the fakes are getting better and better. IMHO it's better to get a Rolex-inspired homage like Orange Watch Co. (Daniel Fock) makes.

Their blue face, snowflake hands Tudor Sub inspired watch looks good - 300m water resist, sapphire crystal, CERAMIC bezel, mechanical movement (extra cost Soprod A10 upgrade possible), stainless steel case, oyster-style bracelet, etc. It's actually BETTER than the Tudor Sub, where Rolex took one of their own Subs and made a cost-down version.

I might get one of those. Looks good.
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where to buy President bracelet and watchadoo bracelets?
and how much?

http://images.google.com.my/images?hl=en&c...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

http://images.google.com.my/images?q=watch...=N&hl=en&tab=wi

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post Nov 9 2009, 12:25 AM

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Dad's new toy
2nd-hand Alain Silverstein at RM7500
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friedricetheman
post Nov 9 2009, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Nov 9 2009, 12:25 AM)
Dad's new toy
2nd-hand Alain Silverstein at RM7500
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Are you sure it's genuine? I find the watch a bit odd. The lugs doesn't match the watch case (ie. no PVD coating). All the Alain Silverstein watches that I have handed so far has matching lugs and case. They pay really close attention to small details being an art watch. Second, the watch looks a bit dubious as the hour markers doesn't pop out like in most other Silverstein watches of that series (ie. the Klassic). Third, your split second chronograph functions are displayed incorrectly.

I think you better check with your dad on whether if did he buy a fake or not.
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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Nov 9 2009, 07:30 PM)
Are you sure it's genuine? I find the watch a bit odd. The lugs doesn't match the watch case (ie. no PVD coating). All the Alain Silverstein watches that I have handed so far has matching lugs and case. They pay really close attention to small details being an art watch. Second, the watch looks a bit dubious as the hour markers doesn't pop out like in most other Silverstein watches of that series (ie. the Klassic). Third, your split second chronograph functions are displayed incorrectly.

I think you better check with your dad on whether if did he buy a fake or not.
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Its a Krono Bauhaus Gummy Limited Edition, if I ain't mistaken

Honestly, I can't spot any difference between those two pictures(based on the assumption that the website displays 100% genuine models). Care to explain a little about the incorrect chronograph display?

Sorry but my dad's asleep. I'll have it confirmed by tomorrow. FYI my dad's been in this business for over 10years. No doubt, many fake watches have slipped his eyes in the past and even present. No pain no gain. Its all about experience. I can't guarantee if this is genuine since this is his second AlainSilberstein( he specializes in Rolex Sports Watches bytheway) but I doubt a watch this pricey would slip past his reliable source and himself this easily.

Anyway here are a few more pictures of it
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post Nov 10 2009, 12:33 AM

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It just clicked in my head today. This movement inside your daddy's Silberstein watch is a very rare Lemania 5100 chronograph with 24 hour indicator. I recognized the plastic column wheel on the back of the movement. I thought I have seen it somewhere before. I have not seen one of those since the mid 90s (when I first started working for a watch boutique). The Lemania 5100 uses a 60 minute counter that is center mounted (hence the split second chronograph look) together with the 60 second counter, hour hand and minute hand. Brilliant and solid movement that was made in the 60's, I think.

Swatch group (Lemania current owner) has stopped production of Lemania 5100's and the spare parts for it since 2002. That's a really rare movement. But take good care of it as spare parts are hard to find. You might have to canibalize other 5100's to get the parts.

This post has been edited by friedricetheman: Nov 11 2009, 11:49 PM
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post Nov 12 2009, 01:08 AM

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i wonder is tag heuer a nice watch? Will there be any buyer if i bring in UK new tag heuer carrera and sell at 8000RM where shop sell 12000RM?
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QUOTE(p0wer2003 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:08 AM)
i wonder is tag heuer a nice watch? Will there be any buyer if i bring in UK new tag heuer carrera and sell at 8000RM where shop sell 12000RM?
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hmm... when shop sell 12000rm thats before or after discount.
when u sell 8000rm will it come with AD stamp on warranty card? or are U letting go as grey market watch?

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post Nov 12 2009, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Nov 10 2009, 12:33 AM)
It just clicked in my head today. This movement inside your daddy's Silberstein watch is a very rare Lemania 5100 chronograph with 24 hour indicator. I recognized the plastic column wheel on the back of the movement. I thought I have seen it somewhere before. I have not seen one of those since the mid 90s (when I first started working for a watch boutique). The Lemania 5100 uses a 60 minute counter that is center mounted (hence the split second chronograph look) together with the 60 second counter, hour hand and minute hand. Brilliant and solid movement that was made in the 60's, I think.

Swatch group (Lemania current owner) has stopped production of Lemania 5100's and the spare parts for it since 2002. That's a really rare movement. But take good care of it as spare parts are hard to find. You might have to canibalize other 5100's to get the parts.
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Lemania 5100 indeed is a rare and robust movement. It is a shame that Swatch Group decided to discontinue this legendary calibre. (whereas I do hope they continue to produce Lemania 1861 tongue.gif ) Few of the big manufacturers are using them, namely Omega, Fortis, Tag Heuer (Bell & Ross?), amongst others.

http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/20...gas-holy-grail/

This is the write up of the movement by the great late Chuck Maddox.

http://www.chronomaddox.com/nouvelle_lemania_5100.html
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QUOTE(ck77 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:29 AM)
Lemania 5100 indeed is a rare and robust movement. It is a shame that Swatch Group decided to discontinue this legendary calibre. (whereas I do hope they continue to produce Lemania 1861  tongue.gif ) Few of the big manufacturers are using them, namely Omega, Fortis, Tag Heuer (Bell & Ross?), amongst others.

http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/20...gas-holy-grail/

This is the write up of the movement by the great late Chuck Maddox.

http://www.chronomaddox.com/nouvelle_lemania_5100.html
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The Lemania 5100 has been replaced by ETA C01.211 in a way... Hey guys, by the way anyone experienced your auto movement watch stopped ticking in approx 8 to 10 hours due to low hand movement i.e. holding office job and so forth? I normally stop wearing my watch at 10pm and start wearing it at 6am. Once a week or so I need to manually wind it as it totally stopped. It seems like winding it 30 to 35 rounds kept the reserve power full put due to my low hands movement the output of energy is higher than input, that's boring man...
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Nov 14 2009, 09:27 PM)
The Lemania 5100 has been replaced by ETA C01.211 in a way... Hey guys, by the way anyone experienced your auto movement watch stopped ticking in approx 8 to 10 hours due to low hand movement i.e. holding office job and so forth? I normally stop wearing my watch at 10pm and start wearing it at 6am. Once a week or so I need to manually wind it as it totally stopped. It seems like winding it 30 to 35 rounds kept the reserve power full put due to my low hands movement the output of energy is higher than input, that's boring man...
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No, never had that problem. When was the last time you serviced the watch? You do know that the service interval is between 3-5 years for most mechanical movements (except for the co-axial movements where the service intervals are a bit longer). I suspect your watch winding rotor's oil has dried up. The only time this has happened was to my mom's Tag Heuer, so I took it to the Service Center in Jalan Sultan Ismail (near Lot 10) and they confirmed that the oil has dried up.

My two cents. smile.gif
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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Nov 16 2009, 10:29 AM)
No, never had that problem. When was the last time you serviced the watch? You do know that the service interval is between 3-5 years for most mechanical movements (except for the co-axial movements where the service intervals are a bit longer). I suspect your watch winding rotor's oil has dried up. The only time this has happened was to my mom's Tag Heuer, so I took it to the Service Center in Jalan Sultan Ismail (near Lot 10) and they confirmed that the oil has dried up.

My two cents. smile.gif
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But my watch is new rclxub.gif Even my colleague who's using a 1 month old Rolex told me the same thing i.e. he experienced the same thing as most of the time he's in the office typing and so forth where he hardly move his arm. So I'm wondering how many office worker here faced the same problem...
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Rolex movements are good but they don't use ball bearings inside I heard. I guess the need for maintenance/oiling is greater, perhaps?
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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Nov 16 2009, 06:47 PM)
But my watch is new rclxub.gif Even my colleague who's using a 1 month old Rolex told me the same thing i.e. he experienced the same thing as most of the time he's in the office typing and so forth where he hardly move his arm. So I'm wondering how many office worker here faced the same problem...
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just make it a habit to give it 10 turns everytime u wear your watch. Its a pretty common issue.

next time get 1 with pwr reserve so U can know whats going on.

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:12 PM)
just make it a habit to give it 10 turns everytime u wear your watch. Its a pretty common issue.

next time get 1 with pwr reserve so U can know whats going on.
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thumbup.gif Great advice. smile.gif Just give it a shake now and then when you are not doing anything. smile.gif Did you wind it up before wearing it? I have a habit of hand winding the crown before wearing the watch in the morning. About 15-25 turns will usually do it.
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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Nov 17 2009, 12:09 AM)
thumbup.gif Great advice. smile.gif Just give it a shake now and then when you are not doing anything. smile.gif Did you wind it up before wearing it? I have a habit of hand winding the crown before wearing the watch in the morning. About 15-25 turns will usually do it.
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I only manually wind it 25-30 rounds when it totally stopped but not as in everyday (lazy mah...), otherwise I feel like it's more of manual winding movement instead of self-winding blush.gif

The other day I was scouting for watches in Sunway Pyramid and I came across an old brand i.e. Mido that nobody talks about. I find it quite nice actually, perhaps we don't see people wearing that brand often?
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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Nov 17 2009, 08:13 AM)
I only manually wind it 25-30 rounds when it totally stopped but not as in everyday (lazy mah...), otherwise I feel like it's more of manual winding movement instead of self-winding blush.gif

The other day I was scouting for watches in Sunway Pyramid and I came across an  old brand i.e. Mido that nobody talks about. I find it quite nice actually, perhaps we don't see people wearing that brand often?
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Mido is a nice brand. And it is quite affordable. Sorry I can't tell you more as I don't know much about the brand. Maybe someone in the forum can tell you more about it.
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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Nov 17 2009, 08:13 AM)
I only manually wind it 25-30 rounds when it totally stopped but not as in everyday (lazy mah...), otherwise I feel like it's more of manual winding movement instead of self-winding blush.gif

The other day I was scouting for watches in Sunway Pyramid and I came across anĀ  old brand i.e. Mido that nobody talks about. I find it quite nice actually, perhaps we don't see people wearing that brand often?
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I doubt is a matter with lazy but Habit.
when it totally stop, not only U need to give it a good turn, U also need to set those hands.
some ppl make a pt to wind it early in the morning, 10 good turn shouldnt take more than 10sec. others may choose to wind it while they are making CAKE in the bathroom! its certainly more effective than giving your arm a good ten shake.

another alternative is get a watch winder, set it there when U are not wearing.

Mido is still around and strong in other parts of the world such as Thailand. understand the swatch group, maybe the only brand that use unMOD ETA movements and had alot of them COSC certified. A great value for $$ watch.

today, ppl go for Tag, Ball, Sinn, Rolex in this region. how many actually go for Ulu "cheap" brand. ppl wanna wear a watch and catch attention from their pals man. A seiko with the bells and whistle catch more attention compare to a Mido.
dont get me wrong I own a Vintage Mido and I love that watch!

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Nov 17 2009, 11:46 PM)
I doubt is a matter with lazy but Habit.
when it totally stop, not only U need to give it a good turn, U also need to set those hands.
some ppl make a pt to wind it early in the morning, 10 good turn shouldnt take more than 10sec. others may choose to wind it while they are making CAKE in the bathroom! its certainly more effective than giving your arm a good ten shake.

another alternative is get a watch winder, set it there when U are not wearing.

Mido is still around and strong in other parts of the world such as Thailand. understand the swatch group, maybe the only brand that use unMOD ETA movements and had alot of them COSC certified. A great value for $$ watch.

today, ppl go for Tag, Ball, Sinn, Rolex in this region. how many actually go for Ulu "cheap" brand. ppl wanna wear a watch and catch attention from their pals man. A seiko with the bells and whistle catch more attention compare to a Mido.
dont get me wrong I own a Vintage Mido and I love that watch!
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Hahaha...anyway I'll just send my watch today for servicing/inspection as it's still under warranty due to low power reserve which doesn't make sense to me, just that I will not see it for a good 1-2 months cry.gif It's kinda inconvenient for me to wind manually everyday as my watch is using a screw-down crown...

Awesome to find people in this forum that understands mechanism and not just brand rclxms.gif In fact most people that I know recognize watch brands and not the movements, little do they know they are getting the same deal (since generally most below RM10k watch is using ETA) in terms of movements but the extra is very much advertisements and perhaps slightly better watch case (which generally watch below RM10k is using 316L stainless steel anyway). So it's really a brand purchasing instead of art in the watch in the said category...

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