how much better is a Soprod A-10 to an 2892? I understand its a complete redesign to compete with 2892.

thanks for the kind words, mate. i bought this watch way back in 2002 so to be honest, i don't actually remember a price. i know for a fact it was under rm1000; i think about rm800 or so.

imo; well worth the money as it has stood the test of time - 7 years later, i think it still looks great. i've changed the leather strap once (rm30 for a seiko original strap) but one of the dials needs some calibration. haven't had time to send the watch in for a service.

here's a slightly better picture:


This post has been edited by r3kahsttub: Oct 29 2009, 01:04 AM

I got to agree with BikerVoodoo, go for the movement OWC does offer a great deal. of course not much brand to brag.
kinda like http://www.mkiiwatches.com or www.stowa.com

why not jump on the ML deal, 50% off.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1189345/+20

black on black still in!
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2008_0...8_162.pdfSoprod

This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 29 2009, 05:23 AM

The MKIIs are about double the price of a standard OWC. Both are mail-order micro-brand watch companies which put a lot of passion into their products. MKIIs get built by a subcontractor in Switzerland. OWC is assembled in Australia.

That seriously does not look like a watch under RM1000. Seiko Premiers cost so much more but is kinda slack on their designs.

Hmmm... I might look around see if I can bump into this watch lol. Year end year end!!! Planning to get a Glycine Combat and maybe this as well if I can find it =D

That Glycine looks alot better than it does in the photo btw.

What caliber is the AP running on? I find it a bit peculiar that the AP watch has a very un-AP date font. The date font should have been a bit thicker for the Royal Oak series. The Royal Oak uses an Arabic font (like the Rolex watches). Your's is just a Times New Roman font. Also, the words T SWISS MADE is missing from the bottom of the Dial. Instead, the words SWISS is on your dad's AP dial. Also, the AP logo should be at the top (12 o'clock) portion of the dial and not at the near bottom like in your Daddy's watch.

Please don't post replicas on this forum and passing them off as the real deal.

Also, how much did your dad got his PP Aquanaut for? From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, PP's cost more in UK than in Singapore or even here for that matter. Anyway, all I can say is that your dad is pretty lucky to sell it off at a profit as the watch is a two year old PP model that is still in production today. Either that or the buyer must be some big waterfish. My friend sold his PP ref. 5036 at a huge lost last year. I think he lost RM10K in that deal.

This post has been edited by friedricetheman: Nov 2 2009, 04:56 PM

I never mentioned that it's real, did I? I just snapped a photo of it and post it up here. Anyway, I just asked him and he said its a replica Sorry about it yeah.

Oh another mistake of mine. He got a PP ref. 5712 for RM8X,XXX



I guarantee I will ask my dad before posting anymore replicas(he sells both replicas and ori, depending on customer's demand. He's a freelance dealer) and also make sure i post the right stuff Sorry again.

very sharp eyes and knowledgeable friedricetheman

question:
i notice some watches there is accompanying letter to the word 'swiss made'
some got 'T', some got 'L' some none

what does it mean?
thanks

Check out this page http://www.fhs.ch/en/faq.php it will help answer most of your questions regarding 'Swiss Made' watches.

respect!

you are the expert..

just AP or all range of watches?

certain ROLEX are too close to the real deal. I have been fooled more than once with fake rolex on my friends wrist.

Hi..

i am new to this post..

i am thinking of investing into a ball engineer master 2 diver watch..

just wana know about the value of watches.. is it true that a price of a watch depreciate fast and is it worth it to start a collection of luxury watches??

watch value depreciate fast! just check out pre-own or those grey market.
numerous branded watches go below half their retail if U are selling to pre own dealer, even limited edition Tag, Ball, Omega etc.
want something that will make $$, buy those US$100K items.
or today get those us$10-20K panerai or certain Rolex ( Daytona, sea dweller maybe today). still lose money but not that much.
eg: Rolex Sub retails around 18k (usually no discount) sell privately can get around 16K, if U sell to dealer most likely lose another few thousand
Rolex 16234 used around 7K if U can find privately, a newer model (not much design change) today cost around 18k.

Panerai is a in thing today kinda like Graham watches 10-15yrs ago do hold value real well. Fad over also same like most brands.
else get a pre-own! the damage already absorb by the 1st dude.
for those who love the smell of new watch and box.. thats a big No-No.

get those ulu brand such as the below selling on fourm may catch better deal, dealer I think sure give U super bad deal
Bernhardt, new US$479, resale on WUS was US$330
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=323314
MKII new around us$600, sold around US$485
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=318255

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 4 2009, 12:15 PM

I don't think a watch can be called an investment.

If you're talking about 2nd hand value, I believe Breitlings go for only half their retail, from what I've heard! Omega ... not too sure. Probably only Rolex/Panerai holds their value from what I've heard.

Pat. Phil. - the watch you buy when you're old and want to pass it to your next of kin. Why that's as interesting to me as writing my will but, to each his own.

I say just get what you like. My next watch will probably be the OWC Snowflake, blue dial Sub. It's gonna rock!

i don't think anyone should view watches as an investment.

why put so much money down on something that only has that slight possibility of increasing in value, in a very long period of time? matter of fact, i don't think anyone should change watches the way they do phones...

but that's just me.

Get a genuine 2nd-hand Rolex Submariner or Sea-Dweller. 5 years later, any watch-dealer will grab it with the price you got it now.

true, factor inflation, etc.. he may not be able to get 1 without paying addition few Ks. its not like u can sell and get a newer model without chipping in.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 4 2009, 11:01 PM

I used to work in the watch industry back in the States. We have people coming in all the time to show off their watches. But only 1 out of every 10 Patek Philippe or Panerai are genuine. The reason being is that Patek Philippe only produce less than 20 mechanical watches a year. And since we did carry PP's, AP's, JLC and most other high end watches, we were trained to spot fakes that were brought into the shop by show offs. We would usually shoot them down without any mercy.

Sadly, I stopped working just as when Ball watches were just taking off in the States. Now, from what I've heard, the brand is doing extremely well there. My modest collection includes just two ball watches. The Engineer Master II Diver with all black bezel was just purchased recently in lieu of the price hike of 15% in the States. I forsee the price hike hitting our shores very soon. Also, Ball Watch USA has ordered all their AD's to stop giving out discounts for Ball Watches or risk losing their dealership. I think that might happen in the near future here in Malaysia. So enjoy your 30% discount while it last.

To tell you the truth, fake Rolexes are the easiest to spot. But I can't tell you how as it is a trade secret. If you really want to know, go work as an apprentice in a watch boutique.

Lots of results for "How to spot a fake Rolex" on Google, even videos.

Here are just a few links which may help:
http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html
http://www.productdose.com/article.php?article_id=6460
http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-spot-a-fake...000000000796968

Here's some info on Rolex manufacturing: http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/showthread.php?t=2161