Thank you very much for your kind advise. And for your info, I don't own a SVS or a JL Audio. I own a lowly Dali Sub.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Oct 26 2009, 11:31 PM

no logic..

one is advance EQ to correct any type of sub under real world room conditions be it svs, submersive or JL or what ever..

the other is a sub...

please compare apples and oranges...

ckyongs, I think I'll do 2 demo at KLIAV show as been pointed by you. Running neutral is a bit of risky thing here and it is a BIG mistake for the event

HT Freak, not trying to offend you in anyway I have utmost respect for JL Fathom F113 but this CEDIA 2010 standard might help a bit :

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/sub...ompilation.html

and under craigsub list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150):

Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)

3a. SVS PB13-Ultra

Listening results: This subwoofer delivers incredible performance from a moderate sized box. It is almost on par with the larger Conquest and eD subs in terms of delivering palpable bass, and it is as articulate as the standard bearer Fathom 113. A great choice when one is looking for a combination of reasonable WAF and performance.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 108 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 113.5 dB

3b. Epik Castle

Listening results: Another subwoofer of reasonable size which also gives a terrific performance. It loses some in articulation to the SVS, but also has a bit more authority on powerful movie scenes. It is a solid choice when one wants a large slice of the Conquest/A7-900 performance in a package that is easier to live with.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 108.5 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB


5a. JL Audio Fathom 113

Listening results: The built in ARO system makes calibration into one's system a snap. The Fathom allows the well heeled audiophile to get an unmatched combination of powerful bass and extension with bass quality that matches the finest monitor speakers, all in a package that will fit in a room of high quality furniture. The panel of listeners was shocked that something so compact could deliver such visceral bass. This is the first subwoofer that delivers on the promise of small size with true subwoofer performance.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 102 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 112.5 dB

Then again, I must admit that JL F113 garners very high point in WAF Period.

Once you get your F113, can we do a shootout with SVS 13-Ultra at your place? With and w/o EQ1.

change topic...

look at this crap curve.

even if you spend 20k on a sub you would be able to sort out the room issues on it's own.. please understand what the EQ1 does... it's not just used for SVS sub but for any other sub...

in fact it has 2 channels for subs, so you can add 1 more other sub if you have...

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Added on October 26, 2009, 11:36 pmwow, 20Hz output is like slightly above ambient background room noise..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 26 2009, 11:36 PM

Boss, wait til kiam lays his hands on PC13-Ultra and then show you the new FR curve

Remy.

Yeah get that bro, No one will dare say your sub got problem!

Well I'm not running my sub with the EQ1, if your not that picky it should be fine.
It's like Audessy (did I spelled this correctly?) + room treatment. If you've never heard a better setting, then the previous one is good.
Elites would probably grab that EQ1 like they even have power regulators and their cables never even touch the floor.

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Added on October 26, 2009, 11:49 pmHow you guys get the curves?

This post has been edited by s6xs9x: Oct 26 2009, 11:49 PM

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Added on October 26, 2009, 11:36 pm

wow, 20Hz output is like slightly above ambient background room noise..

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haha...first thing htkaki say ==> *pengsan*

Did you load the correction curves for the SPL Meter you are using?

anfieldude is da expert in this. But basically, you'll need a SPL meter with line output, soundcard with line input, and line output to your receiver. and of course a program that will generate the test tones and measure the response.

yeah hor..

anyway, I'm begining to think SPL meters aint supposed to be used for 10-50hz measurement..

to do a +20db weighting correction is a joke..

i don't think so. i just calibrated it to 75db reference. and did a loopback to for soundcard.

The CM140 is abt 10dB at 10Hz and 7dB at 20Hz, it flattens out to almost zero after that. Your best bet is a calibrated mic with its own cal curves.

wow JL share same points as AV123 sub USD599.. cool..

I think I rather try two MFW-15.. heard good reviews apart from amp kaputing..

Taukeh, how much is F113?

ar188, once kiam has his Ultra, pls drop by his pad to test it out.

Seriously looking forward to that 'shootout' if any F113 owner kind enough to allow it. We shall gather some sifus too.

ronaldjoe, it is abt RM13K IIRC.

This post has been edited by htkaki: Oct 27 2009, 12:05 AM

Thats why its so low. Load the cal curves for the SPL Meter u r using. Its in the Calibrate SPL Meter Settings page, u need to download the cal curves from the same place u downloaded REW. They have a set of curves for the RS Meters, CM140, and Behringers mics.

Oooo Thank you taukeh for update.
For that price, why not ask someone fr US to ship 2 x EPIK directly from US

as the name implies, it's RM13k

your submersive also kalah.. he got 3.6KW.. yours got how many?