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^_^ Cat Lovers Version 4 ^_^, meow meow
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zulkis
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Nov 27 2008, 05:28 PM
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Getting Started

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QUOTE(arius @ Nov 25 2008, 05:49 PM) pity the cat that cat should be roaming in bigger space she is crying  arius, Not anymore...i've already release the cat from the cage and now she stay outside my house (under parking garage or at the back). Just sit and play there until i back from work. Yesterday...so far so good. No other cat disturb her. She ate all her food and water. I will fill up new food after get from work. Thanks for your kind attention.
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decypher
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Nov 27 2008, 08:57 PM
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Wow. Thanks krynzpeaches and elfreakz.
Too bad I'm staying in Melaka so my choices are very limited. OKOPLUS seems very interesting though. How much is for 10L?
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miruku
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Nov 27 2008, 11:28 PM
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New Member
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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Nov 27 2008, 03:35 PM) errkk i have been using Fussie 1 year  OKOPlus just suka suka try... its a very good product. like i said before, i rather spend more RM on food to my cats.. rather than that litter ehehehe remember i have 10 cats now. i dont find anything hard with fussie, i love that lemon smell in the room. tips if u want it to clump, put more litter.. if it was a fresh urine, move box side to side to separate the fresh litter and spoil liter then u scoop it. don't scoop it direct, else it will spoil the fresh litter as well. i dont use OKUPlus for such a very long time. due to hard to get the stock, i dont like to go to Midvalley LOL. u know lah that area  Fussie is like is to get here. another one i like is KATTY Cat Litter.. but abit expensive. seriously this one smelly stronger with Apple fresh, and strawberry fresh.  i bought KATTY CAT LITTER (8.8kg) for RM20. not so expensive.
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 02:06 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(miruku @ Nov 27 2008, 11:28 PM) i bought KATTY CAT LITTER (8.8kg) for RM20. not so expensive. cool where did u buy that? the the big blue box with apple smell is about RM25-RM28
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jason86
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Nov 28 2008, 02:13 AM
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helo guy~ wanna ask...how often u guyz send ur cat for grooming???n how much the charge per grooming...??
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naTTan
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Nov 28 2008, 06:55 AM
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Depend on what type of service you expect, there are some that cost around rm 30 or so and the more expensive one i have tried once was rm 60 for short hairs and rm 80 for long hairs. Rm 120 for a cut as well, which was ridiculous to me =(
Edit : Eh i thought scented litter is not good for the cat?
This post has been edited by naTTan: Nov 28 2008, 06:57 AM
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stormaker
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Nov 28 2008, 08:49 AM
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Orijen issued recall notice in Australia on 20 Nov 2008 for their cat food. How do we know Orijen in Malaysia safe or not and imported from which country ? In my opinion, eventhough no case "report" outside Australia doesn't mean it is safe right ? QUOTE On November 20th, 2008 Champion Petfoods announced a VOLUNTARY RECALL of ORIJEN brand cat food sold in Australia. The recall is restricted to AUSTRALIA ONLY and was issued in response to reports from the Australian veterinary community of 27 cats showing neurological symptoms after consuming ORIJEN. While there is no definitive link between ORIJEN CAT food and illness in the Australian cats, we have recalled our product from Australia as a precautionary measure.
This post has been edited by stormaker: Nov 28 2008, 08:50 AM
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jason86
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Nov 28 2008, 08:58 AM
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thx nattan.....the rm 30, what they will do???
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zulkis
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Nov 28 2008, 10:01 AM
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Getting Started

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Ayoyo...my cat missing already...uwaargghhh i think have been stolen by one of my neighbour laa. So bad!
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 01:28 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(stormaker @ Nov 28 2008, 08:49 AM) Orijen issued recall notice in Australia on 20 Nov 2008 for their cat food. How do we know Orijen in Malaysia safe or not and imported from which country ? In my opinion, eventhough no case "report" outside Australia doesn't mean it is safe right ?
please read here = http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/Aus...mer_Release.pdf
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stormaker
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Nov 28 2008, 02:43 PM
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News from Canada on explanation from Champion Pet Foods which blame irradiation at Australia.QUOTE Canadian pet food company blames quarantines for Aussie cat deaths Tiffany Crawford, Canwest News Service Published: Thursday, November 27, 2008
A Canadian company at the centre of an Australian pet food scare is blaming the Aussie government for an outbreak linked to a certain brand of its cat chow that has paralyzed and killed six cats and sickened dozens more.
Champion Petfoods, a family-run pet food company based in Edmonton, said Thursday it was pulling out of the Australian market after an independent study on its Orijen brand of cat food placed the blame on dangerous levels of irradiation.
At least six animals which developed paralysis have been euthanized, and veterinarians at the Small Animal Specialist Hospital in Sydney say more than 60 have been treated for symptoms of neurological disorders, including numb limbs.
"We've been getting calls from across Australia regarding new cases," said Dr. Darren Foster in Sydney. "We estimate about 400 cats have been exposed to the food."
Foster said some cats with little exposure may improve but many are progressing to complete paralysis and more will be put down.
"It is with our own pets in mind that we extend our deepest empathy to the Australian families affected by this regrettable circumstance," said Champion Petfoods in a statement.
"While we will no longer sell any of our pet foods in Australia, we remain committed to ongoing research into this case with the hope that our findings can be used to better inform the international community on the potential effects of irradiation."
Champion recalled the product in Australia as a precautionary measure on Nov. 20.
While the same brand of cat food is sold in Canada and exported to 50 countries, Champion said only Australia demands the chow be irradiated because the food isn't cooked at the same high temperatures as other imported pet food.
Foster is concerned that other veterinarians in the world might be misdiagnosing the cats and euthanizing then for cancer or some other illness.
He said more tests are being conducted on the toxicity of the food.
Irradiation is a method of preserving food by dosing it with a type of radiation - cobalt 60 gamma rays - to reduce microbial hazards, in this case in imported pet foods containing fresh meats.
The company says studies show levels between 36 and 47 kilograys of cobalt 60 gamma radiation were linked to neurological symptoms similar to those found in the affected Australian cats. It claims Australia irradiated the food to a minimum of 50 kGY and in some cases reached 61 kGY.
"These are very substantial levels of irradiation," the company said. Champion cited an American study that links high levels of irradiation with vitamin A depletion and the release of free radicals.
Irradiation of human food is considered safe at relatively low levels. According to Health Canada an absorbed dose of up to three kGY is usually sufficient to kill salmonella in fresh chicken. SourceE-mail from Dr. Georgina Childs (registered specialist in veterinary neurology) to Champion Pet Foods regarding their explanation :QUOTE To the Procurement and Nutrition Coordinator Champion Petfoods Ltd. I was glad to see the latest press release from Champion Pet Foods and the withdrawal of Orijen pet foods from the Australian markets. I feel a few facts need to be put forward . There are more than 30 affected cats that I have seen or spoken to their owners. 5 have been euthanased due to severe neurologic impairment and poor quality of life ( 3 completely paraplegic and 2 completely tetraplegic). At least 3 others have been euthanased in other states (2 paraplegic and 1 tetraplegic) . The affected cats have been seen in Sydney, Queensland and Canberra. 1 cat to my knowledge and 2 more reported are affected after eating orijen dog food. The majority of the affected cats have not been fed Orijen exclusively and have been fed a variety of other dry, canned, fresh and cooked food but Orijen is common to all. This does not support Vit A deficiency as a cause. Although irradiation may reduce Vit A content in the food it was not to levels that were deficient either. The Veterinary pathology paper cited linking Vit A deficiency as a possible cause of the neurologic abnormalities was also stated as a hypothesis (this was not mentioned in the press release) not a fact and has not been substantiated . The cats in the cited study were not receiving any other food unlike the cats that have been exposed to Orijen. 2 of the cats that have recovered or improved that I have been involved with have done so with a change in diet only.The only other factor in their recovery was time (they were amongst the earliest affected in July) and physiotherapy( provided by the owner). There is no rationale to advocating Vit A supplementation (excess Vit A may be toxic) and no real evidence to support the other recommendations either. There is absolutely no evidence that supplementation with vitamins or antioxidants improves the outcome in these cats. And no evidence filtered water is important. My recommendations have been to provide a well balanced diet-either dry, canned, raw or homecooked (preferably a combination) which would provide all the nutritional requirements necessary and time. We are still in the evolution stage of this problem -we will not have any real idea of prognosis or outcome for probably 6 months or more. It is still likely more cases will come to light. Irradiation of the food may or may not be the cause. The pathology suggests a neurotoxicity and the epidemiology suggests an often very delayed onset of clinical signs. Other factors I think should remain under consideration -including heat during transport/storage etc. All we know for certain so far is something is amiss somewhere between the site of manufacture and the food bowl-it may be associated with the food/ packaging or a combination of the 2, irradiation or some other factor in transit may be altering the chemical content of the food. Certainly pathologic and toxicologic tests are still ongoing and a comprehensive epidemiologic study will be started in an effort to prevent a similar episode again. This study should include cats that are affected and those that have been fed the food that are not affected. This has been devastating for all concerned -the cat owners (all of whom feel responsible- irrationally), the veterinarians involved (eg me who euthanased 2 beautiful completely paralysed cats from the same household on the same day) , the local retail outlets who have sold the food and champion pet foods. However unsubstantiated theories on the cause and treatments is not helping. Compensation for owners that have large veterianary bills associated with the investigation of the causes of their cats problems needs to be addressed. Please feel free to contact me at any time. Yours Sincerely, Georgina Child BVSc DACVIM (Neurology) SourceThis post has been edited by stormaker: Nov 28 2008, 02:46 PM
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 04:32 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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stormaker, are u feeding your cats with orijen anyway?
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stormaker
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Nov 28 2008, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Nov 28 2008, 04:32 PM) stormaker, are u feeding your cats with orijen anyway? I'm feeding them Acana which is same manufacturer as Orijen, but almost finish and the shop don't have anymore stock for Acana, need to wait until mid of next month. Initially plan to temporary switch to Orijen, so started to do some reading about Orijen, then I found out this recall thing. In Kuching, Sarawak, we don't have much choice for premium cat food. Even though my cat not pedigree cat, but I don't want to hurt them. I post it here just to share the information I got ... no other purpose.
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 05:22 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(stormaker @ Nov 28 2008, 04:58 PM) I'm feeding them Acana which is same manufacturer as Orijen, but almost finish and the shop don't have anymore stock for Acana, need to wait until mid of next month. Initially plan to temporary switch to Orijen, so started to do some reading about Orijen, then I found out this recall thing. In Kuching, Sarawak, we don't have much choice for premium cat food. Even though my cat not pedigree cat, but I don't want to hurt them. I post it here just to share the information I got ... no other purpose. as far as i know here.. me and krynzpeaches is feeding Orijen to our cats. she have been using it for such a long time. and i started using orijen since last april 2008. if your orijen is direct from Canada shouldnt be problem, because the they said Malaysia do not do irradiation to orijen food. but if your distributor import orijen from australia or u bought it from australia, then high possibility that the orijen is going into irradiation process already. yea we already know about it, u can check previous post, and a thread about orijen too.. This post has been edited by elfreakz: Nov 28 2008, 05:23 PM
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stormaker
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Nov 28 2008, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Nov 28 2008, 05:22 PM) as far as i know here.. me and krynzpeaches is feeding Orijen to our cats. she have been using it for such a long time. and i started using orijen since last april 2008. if your orijen is direct from Canada shouldnt be problem, because the they said Malaysia do not do irradiation to orijen food. but if your distributor import orijen from australia or u bought it from australia, then high possibility that the orijen is going into irradiation process already. yea we already know about it, u can check previous post, and a thread about orijen too.. thanks elfreakz ... maybe i'm over-react. Since u n krynzpeaches been using Orijen for such a long time, i think it should be safe ... also very good ... if not u wouldn't stick to it that long .....
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 05:36 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(stormaker @ Nov 28 2008, 05:31 PM) thanks elfreakz ... maybe i'm over-react. Since u n krynzpeaches been using Orijen for such a long time, i think it should be safe ... also very good ... if not u wouldn't stick to it that long .....  i didnt see any symptom like what the australian cats behave yet so far. as far as i concern, it is not orijen fault. the australia has this irradiation rules of incoming food like orijen, which slightly spoil that food and become toxic. hopefully Malaysia do not do irradiation to orijen. LOL.
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snipersnake
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Nov 28 2008, 05:38 PM
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guys do you gus have any info on this desease: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_vestibular_disease.htmlmy boy is hit with it, he cant even stand now  i searched the net, but not many info lah...
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irienaoki
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Nov 28 2008, 05:41 PM
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im in cat lover here put me in da list hehehe mama  and her little boy
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TSelfreakz
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Nov 28 2008, 05:42 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Nov 28 2008, 05:38 PM) guys do you gus have any info on this desease: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_vestibular_disease.htmlmy boy is hit with it, he cant even stand now  i searched the net, but not many info lah... First of all, how did you know your cat is having VESTIBULAR APPARATUS? i surely believe if the vet told you that, they will do immediate recovery to your cat. Added on November 28, 2008, 5:48 pmQUOTE(irienaoki @ Nov 28 2008, 05:41 PM) im in cat lover here put me in da list woah! cute cute!!! already add u to the cat lovers list This post has been edited by elfreakz: Nov 28 2008, 05:48 PM
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