Yes. Understand what you say.
Thanks.

Hi ! im new here ! nice to see there is a thread for pet cats ! ..

any of u guys post ur cats pets pics here ? that would be nice..

thx El!!!!

Thanks El.

I'm just trying to create more awareness of this issue dari dulu lagi... I understand the love we have for our pets and that some even refers to them as "anak", but we must not take for granted their true welfare and must never forget that no matter how much we regard them as "anak" they will never be or have human feelings like us.

They also do not know what is good or what is bad for them, it is up to us to decide for them.



I forgot to touch on one thing.

The vet at Ara Ampg loved Oren and asked what did I feed him. At that time I was trying out Evo, the vet said he has heard of people saying that Evo is good and asked me what is the content like as Ara doesn't have other Super Premium food than RC. So I said it's because they don't contain glutten, no by-product and very high in protein.

Then the vet asked, how much protein? I told him that Evo's protein content is appx. 50%. The vet said he thot that 30% protein is high enough for cats... Unless if we wanna follow their true diet like feeding raw and such lah... However, the vet did advise to ensure that if we are feeding high protein food to our cats, please ensure that they drink a lot or enough water... Something about getting stones or kidney problem if lack of water...

I said so far Oren has been drinking okay, always finishes his bowl of water compared to food and I always make sure his water bowl is filled all the time

So, making sure that your cat drinks is also important besides giving them good food


KP

I would like say thanks to 'krynzpeaches' and 'Elf' for the valuable info. I really appreaciated it..

But in here also i want to share my experienced bout my neuter Siamese male cat. I've adopt him last 3 month ago from 'Mamak stall'. That time he was thin and dirty so my wife and i dicided to bring him home. Ofcoz my dominant male cat(British cross breed) very angry and 'mengamuk' like crazy but juz an hour only.. (Biasa la, kacau his teritory maybe). After a week, that Siamese still can't get along with the others cats even with female cats. for your infomation, that Siamese cat only have 1 testis only. Is it he had been neuter by his previous owner or cacat?

He don't want to join or get along with others cat and always fight with others male cat too. You said that the neuter cat won't fight for their teritory & less aggresive but this is absolutely different with my cat. I'm not kurung him inside cage. He always guard the teritory and fight with the others male and that make me feel tired!! Until now, i still don't get it why.. To prevent it(fighting), i've quarantine my British male cat with his 3 wife(poligami rules..hehe..) inside my kids room. All the others cats from baka kampung are retreat from this place. He is very jealous too!

To my dear friends, please give me an advise and can u explain to me why this cat behaviour become like this please? Is it this strange behaviour because he had been neuter or what? If u guys want 2 see him, please visit at adoption site. i've advertised him there.. Thanks again my dear friends...

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Added on January 8, 2009, 8:03 pmOppss... 1 more things... I've already met vet. doctor and i've asking him bout cat food. I asking him which one is much better compare between 'ikan rebus'(without bones) or odinary cat food like SP and RC. What his answer is really make me suprise coz he said the "boiling fish is worst for cats and would bring disease to them.." But someone have told me that boiling fish is the best food for cats coz fish have highly protein & vitamin and free from oil that would keep cat fur clean and healthy..

May i know which info are right? I seriously confused...!!

This post has been edited by shah21: Jan 8 2009, 08:03 PM

Anyone can tell me where to get MKA cat like this <---I want White only

yes, cat do need alot, like ALOT of protein than other stuff such as fat, carbohydrates, etc.

like other premium food, the most protein is 32%/30% and below. Only the super premium will contain high protein ans it is design that way.

yes, and i always to make sure our cats drink alot of water, since we feed our cats dry food.

beside cats need atleast 60-70% of water to avoid dehydrated that cause death.

Well, like this... by nature all cats born to be territory. The more genetics produce good tame cat. but yet, in some ways they are still territory kind of animal.

It will be worst if the aggression of fighting is a genetics that runs in the family. That's why if u have this type of cat, do not breed them, because the aggression will be running in the family.

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About your siamese, how do you know it has 1 testis? Did you go for a check up? or u simply say it is 1 testis?
Have you ever read some HUMAN male complaining they have 1 testis but actually they have 2 and another one is not at the right position?

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Yes we said that the neuter cat won't fight for their territory & less aggressive. But if this behavior runs in the family, it won't fade away. you cat will remain aggressive for his/her whole life.

I was wondering, have you ever neuter/spay your cat anyway? since you didnt mention about it, u only talk about 1 testis. If non of them has been neuter/spay, you have no right to come out with this. Neuter/spay your cat first, then you can ask about it. if you do not, that will answer why your cat fight.

If you neuter/spay only 1 cat, it won't help, since the other are not.

so im kinda confuse, if let say you didnt neuter/spay all of them, how come u ask about the effectiveness now neutering/spaying cat?

you mention you already neuter the male cat, but suddenly you said got 1 testis? Neuter male will never have BALLS. if you still have it, then it is not neuter.

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Dude you sure makes me confuse.

Neuter/Spay cat will make them tame. depends on their genetics background.

But if non of the cat in your house is neuter/spay, how come you ask this question? It will make sense if the cat is neuter/spay.

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Whatever it is, what you see is normal. All cats will start hissing, kicking, starching, and fighting when they first meet. Some will settle down. and some will never settle down.

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Boil fish especially tuna is not good. You have to boil it for quite a long time before feeding your cat. when you boil it for too long, non of the protein will stay there.

Yes fish oil is good, but remember, that oil has been process... it is not come from the fish you boil yourself.

2 different thing, feed fresh fish, or vitamin supplement that contain fish oil.

What you can do is google and search, feeding tuna fish for cats.


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P/S
is this the cat you talking about? = http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/443156/+380#

now u make me confuse again, you mention u adopted him 3 months ago, but how did you know his age is 1 year 9 months?

and another thing, i dont think you understand Pedigree vs domestic cat eh? You cannot simply say that cat of yours is "Himalaya Cross breed Siamese"...

where did you get that title? the mamak stall gave you is it?

This post has been edited by elfreakz: Jan 8 2009, 09:47 PM

miao miao

Well, when i adopt him(3 month ago), that mamak told me that cat age 1 and half years old so i juz guess he might be 1 y 9 month right now.. hehe.. not a big deal anyway.. That mamak also told me that this cat previous owner already migrate to oversea and left all their cats there.. But true or not, i don't know..

Before i advertised him, i already ask my friend(British short hair breeder) that he want that cat or not & i also ask him what breed actually this cat kind was.. When he look at him, than he told me this cat wasn't Siamese pure breed and his feutures is more like Himalaya cross breed. This cat might be cross breed with Siamese. So that's why i advertised him as "Himalaya cross breed Siamese".(juz to make people interest..hehe..)

About neutered or not, i not sure bout that. I juz thought this cat maybe have been neutered because he don't want any single cat even female close or get near to him even i've tried to put female cat with him in a room for 48 hours. I also see that he's not and never marking his teritory(pissing the wall) at all. based from my experienced, only the neuter male cat would not do that and that's why i assume that he might be been neutered.

Bout his testis, yapp.. He juz got 1 ball. Mostly all friend also felt wierd too when i show them this cat. I known that human also got same case like that but mostly that people still can have their own children even juz got 1 ball only.. That's why i ask u guyz is it my cat cacat or what..

No, i've never bring him to check either he been neutered or not. I juz assume that only.(the reason above). Once again, i wanna ask you my dear friends, is it he 'cacat'?

I really appreciated that you guyz've giving me info bout "benefit of neuter/spay the cat" and the others info. Now i clearly understand why that action is relevan! Thanks a lot my dear friends..

p/s: Maybe my cat can put in category "special cat case" or "DICLASSIFIED"..hehe..

This post has been edited by shah21: Jan 9 2009, 04:19 AM

Answers above in Bold



MKA is Malaysian Kennel Association, it's for dog certification only.

For cats it's CFA - Cats Fancier Association.

To get a Persian with CFA certification, I advise you to look for certified catteries.

You can look it up on the web or contact CFA Malaysia for a list of catteries


KP

Answer above in Bold.

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In regards to some male cats have balls / No balls / one ball...

A friend of mine adopted a kitten few months ago. The kitten is a male DSH and was already about 4 months old.

She got his medical card from the previous owner which has his vaccination record and stating that the kitten is a male.

Thing is, after 3 months plus she did not notice any balls with her kitten... She tried "feeling" for it, but said cannot feel anything... But the kitten did go to the vet last time and was proclaimed a male... She was confused.

So when I went to see my vet last two weeks, I casually asked my vet about this. The explanation is:

1) The kitten could have been neutered at a very young age. Either check with the previous owner or bring it to a vet.

2) The kitten's ball is experiencing slow growth. It will appear, but much later than normal kittens.

3) The kitten has something-something "kid" condition (sorry, can't remember the name, but it had the word "kid" in it), which means the kitten's ball was growing inwards... This condition if not neutred or treated can lead to cancer...

I've informed my friend about it, but she has yet to bring the kitten to a vet for a confirmation check up.

Moral is, I am not a real expert or a vet, nor is El. To be sure of something, just pop over to a friendly vet and you will sure to get a better and sound answer


KP

i already ask my friend(British short hair breeder) = May I know who is your friend that breed BSH?


When he look at him, than he told me this cat wasn't Siamese pure breed and his feutures is more like Himalaya cross breed. = How did he actually come across himalayan? is it because of the color? if yes, do you know birman and ragdoll come from the same color too? LOL funny lah you people. And i really want to know your friend who breed BSH, i might know him from cat show and malaysia cat society. unless he is also the BYB lah (Backyard breeder).

This cat might be cross breed with Siamese. So that's why i advertised him as "Himalaya cross breed Siamese".(juz to make people interest..hehe..) = You have not learn the pedigree vs domestic is it?
I was wondering, is it so MALU so say kucing kampung, kucing malaysia, kucing jalanan? so low standard is it our kucing kampung? sampai tak mengaku kucing kampung, dan sampai kena pakai nama nama breeds?

About neutered or not, i not sure bout that. I juz thought this cat maybe have been neutered because he don't want any single cat even female close or get near to him even i've tried to put female cat with him in a room for 48 hours.
I also see that he's not and never marking his teritory(pissing the wall) at all. based from my experienced, only the neuter male cat would not do that and that's why i assume that he might be been neutered. = Dude, you have so many cats but you don't really know cats behavior eh? How long have you been staying with cats? Do you ever do research on their behavior? You don't know what is happening if 2 or more males in a house? only 1 cat will spray your house, and the other cannot spray because its belong to that 1 cat. if they spray it too, fight may occur. you see.. since when you have experience on neuter and spay? aren't you the one saying it was cruelty before?

Bout his testis, yapp.. He juz got 1 ball. Mostly all friend also felt wierd too when i show them this cat. I known that human also got same case like that but mostly that people still can have their own children even juz got 1 ball only.. That's why i ask u guyz is it my cat cacat or what.. = The only best way to bring him to the vet. you cannot pin point it has been neuter or cacat. This makes me confuse, because you said you already neuter the siamese look alike, but then you said 1 testis which is cacat. weird aren't it, you actually didnt neuter him, the testis is one only, but u consider it as neuter. again i repeat, lepas kembiri, tidak ada buah zakar.

I really appreciated that you guyz've giving me info bout "benefit of neuter/spay the cat" and the others info. Now i clearly understand why that action is relevan! Thanks a lot my dear friends.. = You are welcome. Jangan baca sahaja ya kenapa buat. kalau setakat baca budak darjah 6 pun boleh.

kucing i mix..how much for the ORIJEN?good for?

ok since it is mix, it will be domestic short hair if it is long hair, then domestic long hair.

you can also use the name domestic semi-long hair if the hair is medium length.

Orijen .. hmm 7kg = RM139 gitu lah.

Orijen 2.5kg is RM59.00


KP

owh..ic..maybe domestic long hair, then when can i buy the Orijen?
at pet wonderland got aa?

if some of u all noe the pet shop at "old" damansara uptown near kayu ara..aso got aa?

for 7kg how long usually can be for 2 pretty kitten?

tq ya kawan2..hope boleh try asap.

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Added on January 9, 2009, 6:02 pm2.5kg..can be long till?for 2 kitten..hmmm...3 month kitten..

tq

This post has been edited by gunners37: Jan 9 2009, 06:02 PM

Pets Wonderland should have since sometimes I get mine from the one at GE Mall.

2.5kg can last almost 2 months for one adult cat. But adult cat eats lesser than kitten. So my estimate would be, the 2.5kg pack can last 1 month for two adorable kittens

If 7kg, should be approximately 3 months lah for 2 kittens

These are just estimates yah cuz mine is an adult cat and he eats really little when it comes to Super Premium.

So it depends on how "kuat" your kittens eat too, might last longer, might finish faster


KP

just wanna ask cat expert here, my cat lately is not that active i.e. running,etc..not sick,coz still have appetite to eat quite a lot..
nyway,problem lies with his front feet..i think btw his nails..and he's quite irritated when i touched that area..sometimes meow.. a mix Persian, always jalan2 a lot after i unlock the cage in the morning..so he may exposed to some nature related risks..now i plan to kurung him,buy a bigger cage,coz now cage is quite small,not much space to walk around...

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its look like parasite attack or fungul attack or maybe insect bites.

most parasite and fungul look to hide around the paws too. so when it is itchy, you cat will bite their paws till it become like that.

anything can happen outside, insects, other cats fight, other animal attack...

even nowadays human attack, a friend of mine jumpa kucing kampung, dalam telinga dia di cucuk pelampung polystyrene. pity cat, both ears full with polystyrene.

the only solution here is your veterinary.

Visit your vet before it turn out to be worst.

at the moment you do need to cage your sick cat, before the infection become worst at open spaces.

p/s hopefully your DLH is neuter. else he will start mating with other female cat outside the house.

p/s being indoor cat is not cruel at all. it is for our pet's good. see what happened now, your cat end up painful, you end up paying RM for medical.

This post has been edited by elfreakz: Jan 9 2009, 07:05 PM