I think there is... Ask Slained, I cooked him up a website last time which proved useful...

And you're talking about illogical / making sense and realism but you want ProMod. @_@

so.......LOOK HARDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR =D awesome!

got ppl taruk mp5 with DI 1 ar.... 0_0''

i tot mp5 mostly used with steady aim tim, hmm looks like im a noob wor

Got lor.

But not practical lor.... imo lar of coz...

Me... -.-"

Wah, Adi, you damn siao >.<

I there something wrong with it?

Er... nothing...

Oic, don't sepem here, later tequila marah and pukul us.

People use MP5 got no attachments + Ex Conditioning and Stopping Powar (me)

When I use mp5, I'm using RDS, SP and SA.

What I mean to say is.. Notice that every gun you use is affected by DI? It happens to all to ammo for every gun you fire, Magically. Yes, I've heard of AP rounds, instead of a copper or aluminum jacket over a lead core, the core is changed to a somewhat stronger material like hardened steel or tungsten.

There are already three very good guns in the game that house very powerful ammunition to do the task of penetrating cover. The AK-47, the M40A3 and the Remington 700. Ammunition for AK all FMJ 7.62mm x 39mm, M40 (7.62mm x 51mm NATO) and the R700 (.338 LP Magnum).

In conclusion there is no way you can do a Pastey's Magic Bullet trick in CoD4. Turning regular ammunition into Armor Piercing Steel-Core Rounds just by equipping the gun. What part of that doesn't make any sense I ask you now.

You already CAN shoot through walls effectively. Just not all the ammunition can carry that task out well. The Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Proprietary Engine already has projectile penetration system. If you use Deep Impact in matches what's the use of having that in the engine at all? It doesn't take much to kill someone through a penetrable wall. Just a good amount of concentrated suppressive fire will get the job done.

You don't need Perk 3 to change the tide of the game. All is needed is the right guns with the right ammunition for the job. The Heavy Gunner class can be limited to just one. Which is possible with the current cvar list. We could see into having a class limit setup like Unlimited Assaults, 3 Spec Ops, 1 Sniper, 1 Demolitions and 1 Heavy Gunner.

You can tell that these limitations will balance up the game and there won't be a need for perk 3. You'll have your Base of Fire team, Assault Team and Support Team. It's sorta like a revival of class play. Alittle like BF2 but more enclosed. For the Perk 1 list, Its okay to have claymore and c4 for DOM/CTF. In turn banning the perks in SnD will be good too. You only have one life per round in SnD (Well that by default, you can increase it though).

We can change the gameplay element and greatly alter it without using perk 3 at all guys. Class limits are one of the ways.

*Perk limits not available yet.

Perk 1 - Bandolier, C4, Claymore, Bombsquad (Can dun worry)
Perk 2 - Stopping Power Only (Juggernaut throws the shooting and penetration element in the game off, Sonic Boom makes the explosives too powerful)
Perk 3 - Disabled (You now don't need this to show your play-style. Just use the class that fits your role in your team.)

Class Limits: Unlimited Assaults, 3 Spec Ops, 1 Heavy Gunner, 1 Demolitions and 1 Sniper.

This post has been edited by t3quila: Oct 21 2008, 08:37 AM

lol in 'reality sense' yalar where got AP rounds pierce wall one (thick ones of coz)... after all wall is not armor. unless u wear brick armor around ur kevlar... LOL

nways, i dun usually use DI but wth... perks r fun!

i voted for PAM4.

t3quila, perks 3 with SA helps smg's lower damage in promod...promod lowered smg's damage...if u take out steady aim, u might as well just take out smg list -.-" so now u call tat fair game? ppl choose smg willing to sacrifice power for movements, n yet perks 3 is disabled? c'mon!

anyway, i use 74u, not mp5 hehehehe with bando+sp+sa, thats a very good run n gun shit there! i wouldnt trade sa with ec! n if ppl said DS is over powered, i dont really agree...ppl trade speed n accuracy for silent killing, which ghost build r to counter snipers...when u take out ghost, u basically offset the balance as sniper is harder to kill now without ghost working in the background

I like this perk limits. Cause it's looks balance from both mode. XD

Actually, since the Blitz tourney, those class limits have been in place. I'm not sure whether there are limits for demo or not, but I know there you can only have 1 sniper and 1 LMG.

fastcx you obviously haven't played the mod in matches at ALL. Just come and scrim sometime this weekend. Oh wait do you have a legit copy? Do you actually OWN the game?