ok. Hun has answered and I see no reason to continue this thread again UNTIL the results are ready.

so anyone else who wish to contact her, the number is there.

if there's a need you think that needs to be posted here, or that you think the thread deserves a purpose to be open - please PM me.

thread re-opened, as requested by hazzy.

I'm expecting mature conduct, no more stupid posts like "oh teh noes me gliders be dies!" thing without even understanding what the results or anything mean in the first place.

Hi,

Thank you for opening the thread.

I would like to ask what the latest update is. Crazymouse said that she would be doing analysis with a few universities. This was on the 9th of October. It's been 20 days. Have the results come back?

Secondly, I agree with Hazzy on point 3. Perhaps it might be fairer to everyone if Crazymouse asked for volunteers on the open forum.

I have no intention to read all the previous post here as it is exceedingly too much.

Merely posting to help explain and clarify what I can.

Please understand that Crazymouse cannot log on too long to explain matters as she has no personal PC to use.

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Quoted from Hazzy's PM to moderaters.

1. Me and other glider owner in LYN just want an explanation from crazymouse about the Glider Slurp (cyanide and calcium, mainly the calcium aspect).

--- Due to her personal PC problem, she is not able to log on long enough to reply the many queiries that is arising non-stop.

Anyway, briefly, Glider Slurp has been around since 2006. No cronic report regarding it has ever emerged even tho there are countless users out there feeding their glider with it.

I have personally been using the Slurp before without any problem and my gliders have never been sick for the past 2 years.

According to the vet, if there is presence of cyanide in small animal food, it could kill them/have effect very fast, no need to wait for few months or years.

Don't see that happening so far.

2. The reason I never post up uncle taro's(nezumitaro) smoothies report here is because I don’t want people feel I’m using it to promoting the product, and I’m not here to promote any product. For an example if you buy a Sony LCD, when it got problem you won’t ask Samsung for their report, you will just direct contact Sony and ask for explanation.

--- If you are fair and sincere, posting up the smoothie report as well will be seen as the best thing to do.

Your example regarding Sony LCD and Samsung is not a valid example.

3. And now all the Slurp she plan to send for test is chosen by her, so even the result come out is good, I feel is not convincing at all, I can always say she already upgrade her Slurp, so for avoiding all this argument in future, I have a suggestion. Is it better to ask in the open forum/glider thread for any volunteer member to bring out their existing Slurp which bought before this incident happen and send directly from their house for the lab test? If anyone got any better suggestion we can discuss it in the open forum also.

--- If this is the case or judgement, how can we also believe that the Slurp you sent for testing is 100% hers?

Photos of the container and sticker is not a valid proof that it was made by her, as all "Homemade Glider Food or Mix" will look very similarly the same.

I make my own food/mix. It looks the same. How do you know it's not Crazymouse's Slurp if I sent it to a lab as well?

Point taken?

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Who's Slurp is this?

I see also got those little black dots...

Is it harmful? Is it apple seed? Is it kiwi seed? Is it Flaxseed?





If it's blur, blame it on the poor quality handphone camera.

Can anyone tell me or tell the difference?



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4. I know a lot of people ask why I never call crazymouse directly, the reason is I feel I should do it openly, also a lot of other members here deserve a proper explanation. If I call her to ask for an explanation, later I have to repeat the answer to other members, and I don’t want to pass a wrong information, so is it better to let her explain herself to everyone? And she accuse me bad name her product before when I just try and help her to explain her product to other member, so I try to avoid this happen again.

--- Proper explanation of what since no one has ever had any cronic problems before.

No one saw the need to spend a huge amount of money for the lab test as no one saw any harm of it. It has been providing a good source of diet since 2006.

p/s:
By the way, I also sent the slurp to another lab in Klang but I did not post the report here. The reason I sent to 2 different labs was to make sure that the results were correct before posting the information on line. However, the lab in Klang could only do testing for calcium and phosphorus ratios

--- Since you have been spending a lot of money sending for reports, why not just post it up all here?

You do wanna be seen as fair right?

Unfortunately, Crazymouse does not own a fortune of money to send the Slurp for analysis at private labs which can produce result in a short period of time or being paid extra to do so.

The labs she sends for analysis are all Government base and need to wait in line for the other test and works they are doing. So she doesn't get any special privileges to get the result faster.

Everyone will have to wait patiently for that.

As for point 3, do understand that not everyone is well off to spend such amount money for lab test. Many owners are still students as well. Some others will have bills and ends to meet day to day.

Thank you.


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Oct 30 2008, 08:09 PM

I will not reply to anyone post other than crazymouse, if not this dispute thread will be back to one circle, pointless war, because no one can really speak on her behalf. This thread is all about the Buyer(with doubt) and Seller, so please don't post any unnecessary comment here, thanks.

ps: kp, yes i know you take good care for your glider, you make your own mix, so i have no doubt your glider is healthy. And I also know you sometimes order from crazymouse without supplements.

KP gets mixes without the supplements coz she request it as she uses her own supplements. But on and off she also gets my slurp with supplements in it.

I am not a person who has a money tree, so of course my analysis takes time as it is done by labs and vets that are not asking much but helping me. I do not see anything wrong with my slurp, I use organic and high quality ingredients. Supplements are used everytime so I got nothing to hide. People who are finding fault with me are those that are no longer people I trust or support anymore. My own customers are still asking for my slurp even after this incident because they trust me and have used it for 2 years without any problems.

I cannot reply everyday as PC is spoiled. I got no luxury to go to cybercafe as I need my time and money for other important things. For now, I still take phone calls from anyone who wanna know more.

I see no point replying again until I get a full report and certified letter stating my slurp is safe.

I think you are missing the point, I'm suggesting for you to ask volunteer member to bring out their existing Slurp which bought BEFORE this incident happen and send directly from their house for the lab test(of course not volunteer pay for test), because this the only way is convincing and open to public, other way I feel you always can upgrade your Slurp before send for the lab test.

The people need not send the slurp back to her, they can send it themselves just that Hun asked it to be sent back so she will pay as no one is volunteering to pay for it.

Unless someone who is not involved but has unfinished slurp from before this incident steps forth and volunteers to pay for it. But then again, it's almost 2 months since then. The Slurp shelf life in the freezer is 2 months.

Btw, how much was the cost of the testing?

Why TS is still withholding some information and not posting everything up?

unless they have something to hide?


anyways, i spoke to a friend who's in this nutrition line of work. No one in their right mind would go test a food product for cyanide, unless they suspect or already know there's cyanide inside.

Well, me for one, do not know how true is that, so sorry if i'm wrong. Just to clarify some stuff, Glider Slurp was the brain child of me and connie aka. Smellyocheese. We dint have time to commercially produce it, so Hun did it. Along the way, she improved it. I have no idea what cyanide is doing in there, and i can vouch for hun. We know her way back. Poisoning your pets or her own pets, is not something that she can do. nor will do. Afterall, she's not as heartless as she seems.


P/S: Not that i'm standing by her side, i'm eagerly awaiting the test results as well. I've been following this thread to see where this leads. So TS, please post test results asap.

you're behaving as if no one else can speak up regarding this matter. is there a problem?

so far i see you have no problem who comment so long as they're seemingly "on your side" but i often see your attitude as such appear when you can't counter / defend when people pose you questions or stating facts.

I've seen how you and a few others behave at SG thread and it was appalling and i do not wish to see it repeated here.

everyone has the right to comment, as long as it contributes to the topic. many of you have been baselessly accusing the 0.22ppm as if it's harmful but when given facts and figures about cyanide content, it's not surprising to see replies like "you not crazymouse, you don't come answer" don't bother asking me to search out old posts, you guys spam like crazy and it's not worth my time searching, i know what i seen before.

keep up this kind of attitude and i'm going to close this thread again. which was the reason i closed this thread in the first place.

heck, i'm tempted to close this thread again, simply because there's no dispute to begin with. one sent it for test (for whatever reasons it was) and results were given, till now no one has been able to interpret the results in expert fashion but many (foolishly) assuming that 0.22ppm is harmful. haha.

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Now, if anyone wants this thread to be opened - SHOW ME PROOF, then it becomes a dispute.

PROOF, meaning a detailed report from EXPERT NUTRITIONIST(s) / SG Care Guru (s) regarding the result, explaining in detail how it affects SG and what should the nutritional value be. The document MUST also have the person's name, company, contact number, and other details to PROOF the authenticity and reliability.

or else, such claims of SLURPS being TOXIN to SG so far (as seen in SG thread and this thread) is baseless and thus, this is just a matter of product enquiry.

END. and don't PM me unless any of you have the above.

I decide to close this thread again in order to avoid having it setting a precedence in future cases of "product enquiry". simply because this is "Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner". there's no TRADE DISPUTE to begin with, it all looks like product enquiry on why the results state as such and whether it was harmful.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Nov 7 2008, 08:17 AM