hi,
i have dell s2409w and using rm50 hdmi cable for my 360 gaming. and i already set the 360 to 1080p. but when i play a games, the image is not sharp enuf..would you anybody help me please (especially who have s2409w).do i need to swicth for another cable?

cable got nothing to do with image quality. all HDMI cables under 5 meter gives out the same output.

what game are you playing anyway?

edit: i just checked.


that is your culprit. 1000 to 1 is so poor when most LCD out there are dispensing over 3000 to 1 nowadays.

sauce chilli : http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/dell-sl...9w-lcd-monitor/

check out the comments below the post. most of them are negative and explaining why this monitor is crappy.

This post has been edited by technophile: Sep 17 2008, 10:05 PM

as for the contrast ratio, it wont bother me. it is just for brightness and darkness image ratio.but it still fine..however, what really bothering me is the line is not very sharp enuf..i dont know if it a frame rate issue based on the cable or the game just not support anti-aliasing or the game just run on 720p

contrast ratio affects the "line" of the image. more dense contrast will produce sharper image as there's more pixel per 1 square inch. 1000:1 is just too bad.

just like normal images created by digicam. more megapixels define the clarity of the image and the level of detail they can contain.

once again, there's nothing wrong with cheap HDMI cables as long as you dun exceed 5 meters. anything less than that, the picture quality will be the same regardless how expensive the cable that you use.

edit : again, if you suspect the games being the culprit, kindly state what game are you playing and giving you the problem.

a quick check on my GTA4 box for 360 says "HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p". that's the latest game that i got.

This post has been edited by technophile: Sep 17 2008, 11:25 PM

Sorry if this sounds stupid, what options from the menu do you have when setting up the monitor? I might be able to give you my little opinion if you can list them out. I used to play on a 32 inch 2000:1 contrast LCD TV, couldn't take it, got a 50 inch 5000:1 LCD TV, still not happy with it and sold them for a 24 inch 50000:1 LCD monitor.

technophile is spot on about the cable, so don't worry too much about it.

what monitor is that bro? care to tell?
i'm on the lookout for a good monitor too.

no offense but you gotta watch out for the numbers. manufacturers trick around with the numbers, making consumers believe that the bigger the number the better. there are currently no standard way of measuring contrast. you have the static contrast which will give you 1000:1 or 2000:1 and then there's dynamic contrast where it can go up to 50000:1. usually, a high dynamic contrast doesn't mean it has a high static contrast, which is referred by most ppl as the true contrast. you can google for the details of dynamic and static contrast.

some manufacturers will display the bigger dynamic contrast number instead of the static contrast. there are also some who display both numbers, dynamic and static. it all boils down to marketing.

funny thing is, all of the comments in the website that technophile gave are coming from ppl who haven't even tried using the screen before. here's a review from someone who actually tried it: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...pic.php?t=14311.

haha yes i do own a s2409w, and i think it's great.


neways, abulolah, try turning up the "sharpness" setting and see whether it improves or not?

It's Acer's G24.. pretty cheap as well compared to other 24", RM1388.

Yeah, figures means nothing much. But so I'm quite satisfied with it so far, batter than most LCD TVs I've tested with so far if size is put aside.

i tried to look out for monitor which got contrast ratio 3000:1 before. unfortunately i found 3000:1 but is just for dynamic contrast ratio.could u please recommend on what monitor got that?

This post has been edited by abulolah: Sep 18 2008, 10:51 AM

i think technopiile maybe confuse..

the contrast ratio got two types.which is typical and dynamic

i think for LCD nowadays typical 1000:1 is quite normal..

and usually those big numbers are dynamic such as samsung 2253bw with dynamic contrast 8000:1

This post has been edited by oyama: Sep 18 2008, 01:10 PM

Uhm there are hardly any LCD Monitors(mind you, NOT TVs) that has anything more than a typical 3000:1 contrast ratio. Infact, 1000:1 on a TN panel is considered very good. You want higher contrast ratio? You gotta pay up for a TV.

Monitors just don't cut it, because no one sits 10 feet away from a 24 inch monitor now do they?

Dynamic Contrast Ratio in a whole, is marketing gimmick. Only BenQ and LG does justice to DCR right now, their DCR features actually DO work unlike the marketing tricks especially Samsung that has been lying to customers long enough.

And I happen to sit right in front of my monitor, about 2-3 feet away at most Like I always said, figures means nothing much for contrast ratio. At the end of the day it's your satisfaction you can get is the most important. There's another topic that discuss calibration on the same monitor you are using now TC, may be you should take a look at it.

Not really, contrast ratio does mean quite a bit for TVs. Not so for monitors.

If you truelly want absolute black levels, the only way it to get a projector or one of those Pioneer Kuro. If not, be happy with what you have.

I use a very simple method to test out the contrast ability by keeping the same contrast setting and compare Blue Dragon's title screen and Gears of Wars campaign mode's opening (details in the cell). I think both are at opposite extremes thus a good indicator. Of course, I could always use the calibration DVD to make more accurate judgment, but I'm not so sure how to enter LCD monitors' serviceman mode, if they have that, so it's pointless.

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Sep 18 2008, 11:51 PM

Just asking whom have the Dell S2409W play with PS3 connected to the PC LCD monitor using HDMI-DVI converter?

How's the quality of the picture & sound compare to PS3 direct connect to HDMI PC LCD monitor?

Because I'm planning to buy...

You can use HDMI-HDMI cable instead of a HDMI-DVI converter because the S2409W has the HDMI port..

There's a review of this LCD by someone and you should take a look at it..it is tested on PS3 via HDMI too..
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...pic.php?t=14311

Just direct HDMI from PS3 to S2409W laaa.... no adapters or switch-through cables needed.

Read up Hwaorang5's review to find out more.

...huhu.is it true this lcd cannot produce good image for xbox gaming?. now i need to think twice before buying this lcd-_-

don worry bro..
i also using lcd monitor playing xbox now...
it's look great 4 me..
i m using asus monitor...
prefect graphic 2 me..
i got 1 HDMI to DVI cable 1 2 sell if u interest can pm me...

Why use HDMI-DVI connector when you can use HDMI-HDMI cable??

I am still waiting for mine..I ordered this online.. But base on the review done by Hwaorang5 its pretty good.. I'll evaluate it for you dude when I received mine..

BTW, here's some setting I found on the previous thread, maybe this will help..

for
pc on dvi
brightness = 35
contrast = 96
input colour format = RGB
mode selection = grahpics
preset mode = warm

ps3 on hdmi
brightness = 30
contrast = 90
input colour format = RGB
mode selection = video
preset mode = nature

dont worry about this monitor on xbox.before this i almost want to sell this lcd monitor to get another lcd monitor.at tat moment,i made judgement this lcd not produce nice images because i'm comparing with hdtv crt..

This setting can't be used when the RGB Full Range and Super White is turned on for the PS3.

what resolution u set in your xbox?
1920x1080 - 1080p?

still i need more feedback before i go buy both xbox360 n this lcd (dell s2409w).

This post has been edited by figure8: Sep 25 2008, 01:11 PM

see my screenshots here

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...p=137520#137520

seems fine for me, try set sharpness higher if u feel its blur,
on ps3 mine looks amazing though...

try the setting i used posted by Noysan above..

Guess what, i order this monitor after i seen Mr Hwoarang45 review. Thanks for the nice presentation..

i have a question here -

if i connect my PS3 to this monitor (DELL S2409W) using HDMI cable, the HDMI cable will only transmit the image to the monitor, but not the sound right? so how should i connect the sound (say if i buy a set of speakers)

thinking of buying this monitor.. its about RM1100 now at dell website.

Nope!! It has sound. Just connect the HDMI cable and plug your speaker on the audio out connector located at the back. You may need a good set of speaker though..

mine is altech lansing: It's really nice playing at full volume..

ok ok i will check it out, thank yoU!

one more queston , the "Audio out connector" - is at ps3 or the monitor?

This post has been edited by Dark NT: Oct 7 2008, 09:28 PM

it's at the back of the monitor...

Does yours have the "fade-in" problem with HDMI audio?

"fade in" as in every time the monitor is powered up or a game is loaded there is no sound present and after a few seconds the sound becomes audible...?? yeah I do have that kind of problem..

Its really not a big issue for me though since the fade in happen during the intro or loading screen but once you get to the main menu the sound started to "sync"...

Have you ask the costumer support on this coz I'm planning to do???

@hwoarang - as dis monitor doesn't have 1:1 mapping..game on ps3 will look stretch a bit? i'm planning to buy lcd monitor..but benQ 16:9 lcd monitor quite tempting..

I've not asked customer support yet ...

I'll ask them later..I need to check my service tag number first..
It may be HDMI handshaking issue between the console and the monitor which we can't do anything..

Try using your AV cable for sound instead, if you have the right connector..

It's probably not a HDMI handshaking issue as the problem happens to both PS3 and XBox360 which does not occur with LCD TVs. The audio fade-in may happen in any part of a game or movie which has audio silence for more than 3 seconds. You can test this by playing a music file and pause for more than 3 seconds before resuming.

I'll try it later and do some investigation ... I don't have any music file on my PS3..

All PS3 games are in 16:9 aspect ratio natively(eventhough many games have awkward native res). So no stretching in this case as the monitor is also 16:9 aspect ratio. Games that are locked in 720p(and cannot be "forced" into 1080p) will be automatically upscaled by the monitor itself. From what I've seen, the upscaler of the S2409W is rather good.

..^what do u mean?.if we set the xbox/ps3 setting display to 720p, does the monitor upscale the pic to 1080p?.. i guess not cus from what i read so far specifically for xbox 360, if we use hdmi cable, we can set the resolution and also the definition (720p/1080i/1080p,etc)..

plz clarity. thanks

What SSJBen meant was the image won't be stretch to change the ratio of the display, it will still come out with the native ratio of 16:9. What you are confused with are stretching and scaling. A non 1080i/p source will be scaled to 1080p on that monitor without stretching the image, retaining a 16:9 aspect ratio, while most other 24 inchers have 16:10 ratio, and image will be stretched to get full screen (looks taller).

i have the same thing going on with the sound on my system. I'm guessing it's some loudness protection feature thingy that's meant for headphone users. But it's just a wild guess.
Now I just connect audio via the AV unit of the ps3 straight to my 2.1 speakers. no problem there.

figure8: you don't have to worry about 1:1 pixel mapping with any 16:9 monitor like the s2409w and the new benq HD monitors, coz it's memang 1:1 pixel mapped for all 16:9 monitors.
it's only the normal computer lcd monitors, which are usually has a aspect ratio of 16:10, that you have to worry if they have 1:1 pixel mapping. coz some of them don't.
hope this helps

This post has been edited by jackhammer84: Oct 9 2008, 05:14 PM

hmm funny i have the same problem too. A lag of about 5 seconds before the sounds actually come up.

No problem for the normal red and white wires, but i feel the hdmi output sounds better. Or issit just me?

@SSJBen - what i mean is the games on dell s2409w..as it doesn't have any 1:1mapping..so whether in 1080p or 720p does the image look strecth upward a bit? A man will be more taller n skinny a bit..

Seems that I too have the same issue..

It looks like a power saving option of the monitor.. It detects when there is no sound present then goes on a power save mode then goes back again after 3-5 sec when it detects an audio... which explain why when a music file is played and then paused for a longer period and played again an audio lag is encountered... Now, I am beginning to sound like a private investigator..

Better ask technical support for this...

Hi there, i got 2 DVD player, 1st one AudioVisio conect with VGA cable working find. 2nd player AGIB conect with same VGA cable the display came out the image only Red & black color, try both monitor & dvd player all the set up setting still can not display in full color, anyone know abt this? I'm using Xbox360 elite HDMI no problem at all. GOOD monitor.

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Added on October 10, 2008, 11:15 ami also use a HDMI Philips Dvd player, GOOD.

This post has been edited by McGyvii: Oct 10 2008, 11:15 AM

About the red and black problem: Does the AGIB allows you to choose output component (YPbPr) or RGB? I think that's the problem.

Anyone use it for PS2? Use what cabel conection? How the image quality?

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Added on October 10, 2008, 11:28 amI think i try that too. no change.

This post has been edited by McGyvii: Oct 10 2008, 11:28 AM

PS2 I use either component or RGB through SCART cable. Both very good, in fact the best you can get from it. I can't remember what's the name for the Japanese digital cable, very hard to come by and only compatible with selected Japanese TV. Never tried that, but I could only guess it will be equal or better than component & RGB.

I can't think of any reason for your ABIG not working right.. red and black.. naturally bring me to conclude there isn't enough green thus the component vs RGB issue.

Where to buy this SCART cable & how much is it?

Scart cables are cheap, $4.99 from play-asia.com. The problem is looking for a TV/monitor that accept RGB through Scart connection.

He was already answering you.. anyway the answer is no it won't be stretched. The reason is it being stretched on normal monitors is because normal monitors are at a ratio of 16:10 (16 for width, 10 for height) and games on the PS3 are 16:9. So the PS3 games have to be stretched to 16:10 (taller) to fit the full screen.

Dell S2409W on the other hand has a ratio of 16:9 too (16 for width, 9 for height) so it is slightly shorter and longer if u compare it with a normal 16:10 monitors. Since S2409W is 16:9 and PS3 games are also 16:9 so the pictures would fit perfectly in this monitor

wow really? next time i got any probs with the monitor i call private investigator Noysan if that's the case I don't think we cant do anything about it.. don't remember there being an setting option for this.

[EDIT] on the other hand there IS an option for this in the settings menu. I disabled the power save mode but still to no avail

This post has been edited by fruitaleman: Oct 10 2008, 12:59 PM

I've tried that too.. Guess what,, nothings change..

I'm a lame private investigator...

aiyo dun blame yourself, at least u tried

My s2409w just arrived this afternoon.
I tried to play Madden 09 and the result was fantastic. I didn't do extra setting such color, etc. Just plug and play. Amazing result for that price.
And no dead pixels found so far. And hopefully won't.

I guess by now you already experience the audio fade out problem??

i just ordered 1 to play my ps3 hope it deliver fast...

hi anyone can help me with my problem
yesterday i plug my ps3 to dell s2409w lcd it seem very nice and can play but today when i come back from work n i try to on it again it display a black screen only.
cant see anything
did anyone encouter such problem?

Is your PS3 still functioning??? If so you need to do a hard reset on your PS3 and do the visual settings once again..
It happens to me a couple of times..
hope this help..

my ps3 still functioning i tried with other lcd no problem.
sigh..

then you need to do a hard reset.
set first your monitor video input to auto detect.
hold the power button of PS3 till you hear a beep. Ur PS3 should auto detect the connection then follow whats on the screen..
I suspect the connection between PS3 and monitor are somehow having problem that is why you need to set-up again. Like I told you,, it happen to me twice now and it's been a month now,, I still haven't encountered this issue.

My advice is to not use the monitor with your pc and ps3 on at the same time. Use one at a time and as Noysan said, set your monitor to auto detect.

It's been serving me well

hey i have the same problem...it seems the problem occured when I moved my s2409w to my friend's apartment to hook up to VGA. when i brought the PS3 home again and hooked it up to HDMI, the monitor doesn't recognize the PS3...the monitor detects an HDMI connection but there's no display. very strange.

last time this happened I was messing around with the HDMI settings. Even when I did the hold-down-turn-on to reset the video settings for the PS3, there was still no video. i thought it was the PS3's problem so i tried it on my friend's LCD TV and did the same thing to auto-detect the HDMI connection and it worked!. after moving it back to my s2409w, it worked again!

so basically, i'm not sure whether it's the PS3's problem or the s2409w problem.

does anyone know if it needs a firmware update?

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Added on December 17, 2008, 5:11 amOK...fixed.

OMG SO HAPPY.

See Solution 8 here: http://www.fixya.com/support/t214569-ps3_n...king_hdmi_cable

This post has been edited by bubbachuck: Dec 17 2008, 05:11 AM

Wow, didn't know that these kinda things could happen! LOL I'm never doing that!
Thanks for the info, it was helpful and something to keep in mind,

This is problem is bound to happen if your set-up is not stationary and always connect the PS3 to different system. It's a handshaking thingy.. Video setting reset-up will always solve this problem..

its HDCP crap i bet

Any idea why it happens? I just got mine too.

sorry bro..still don't know why..
after almost three months,,I'm getting used to it..

oh well. at least it's prettier than my old tiny crt tv

you can actually just directly connect your ps3 straight to your sound system, without going through the monitor. no fadeout problems there.

my "sound system" is a cheap-ass 2.1 sonicgear

hahahha. same here man! armageddon 3! LOL.

budget gaming FTW!

Maybe try asking around in Dell's forums. I found this thread there http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19241208/19415611.aspx

so have you guys actually fixed that sound fading problem? or it can't be fixed at all?

How do you actually do that? without goin through the monitor?? using the av straight to the PS3???
I havent got the PS3 yet but i just ordered this Dell 2409..but will be getting the PS3 very damn soon..cant wait to get my hands on MGS4..

How to actually counter the problem of the audio fade in/out thing...I'm just using a simple 2.1 altec lansing

GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR LINK.

i got my ps3 today thinking...hmmm lets play games. Setup was fine, everything is normal no problem....HDMI all ok. Then suddenly black screen on my S2409W. Google, panic, seems some ppl have the problem but not solvable. Hard reset also no help. Turn off monitor also no help...until i read the link above....

UNPLUG YOUR MONITOR, THEN RESET PS3 (hold down power button until 2nd beep when turning on)

Problem solved.....for now.

Its a SONY.

Guys... I having the exact same problem with the above poster... no solution seems to work. Now my PS3 only works on other LCD TV but not this monitor... anyone can help?

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FIX!

Lol... simple unplug power cord from monitor for 30 seconds actually solve my problem...

This post has been edited by hezda: Aug 22 2009, 01:20 PM