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 AMD/ATi HD 4000 Series Discussion V4, Just added: HD4830 benches!

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cyew86
post Nov 10 2008, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(teikwing @ Nov 10 2008, 03:55 PM)
anyone had the problem with Assasin's Creed when the game just started with instructions teaching you how to play & the screen freezes? is it the game or my GC? i'm on HD4850.
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seems like ur system giving you lots of troubles sad.gif
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post Nov 10 2008, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Nov 10 2008, 02:44 PM)
for assassin's creed im using the latest patch.. but still got this problem
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u shudden patch assassin's creed.............................
u'll loose dat dx10.1 once u patch it.
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post Nov 10 2008, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(DunkyKung @ Nov 10 2008, 07:59 PM)
i tink i noe why...r u using lanun game?
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yaa bro lanun but other ppl dun hv prob bro also lanun 1.....
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post Nov 10 2008, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Nov 10 2008, 08:10 PM)
seems like ur system giving you lots of troubles sad.gif
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yeah man. going to bring back the CPU to LYP but lazy to go thru the jams. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 10 2008, 10:09 PM

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last time i ply assassin's creed wit 3870, works fine.
play again once move to 4870, also no problem................=.=

QUOTE(tcchuin @ Nov 10 2008, 07:22 PM)
seriously..how can u guyz say our eye can see xxx FPS?

http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.ph...man_eye_can_see

p/s:read the article..not the title..@@
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agree, human eyes can really notice the lag once fps drop bellow ~20.
dats y 30fps is always consider smooth..........................
u wont differentiate if the game run @ 30fps constantly vs. 60fps constantly...........
but ~25 will feel the slowdown.
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post Nov 10 2008, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Nov 10 2008, 10:09 PM)
last time i ply assassin's creed wit 3870, works fine.
play again once move to 4870, also no problem................=.=
agree, human eyes can really notice the lag once fps drop bellow ~20.
dats y 30fps is always consider smooth..........................
u wont differentiate if the game run @ 30fps constantly vs. 60fps constantly...........
but ~25 will feel the slowdown.
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hahah correct 50 and 100 dun see much a gap .... but 25 laggy...
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post Nov 10 2008, 11:07 PM

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Wow the post is 1800+. Learn a couple of stuff here.

Anyway, anybody know how is the performance difference of

4650 ati 512 DDR2; with

and 4670 ati 512 DDR3

I heard makers purposely put a DDR2 on 4650 to "slow it down"

Cheers.
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post Nov 10 2008, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(pyangaox @ Nov 10 2008, 08:52 PM)
yaa bro lanun but other ppl dun hv prob bro also lanun 1.....
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i noe dat..last time counter same problem with u..dat lanun version u get is a leaked of assassin creed..not stable...its not ur card problem.. smile.gif
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post Nov 11 2008, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Nov 9 2008, 01:42 AM)
how low is ur fps?

please provide :

1) ur system
2) catalyst version
3) os
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hi sorry for late reply as i was busy with my college stuff ,

i have tried the guide given by a member of this forum and it didnt work


1 my system is a pentium D 930 desktop pc
with 4GB ddr2 667MHz ( or 3.5 GB for x86)
720 GBs (total of 4 harddisk) running at 7200 RPM
OS: windows xp pro sp3

2, catalyst 8.10 , 8.11 beta ( tried both - nothing changes , still the same problem)


whenever i play cs 1.6 zombie mod with night vision on , the fps will usually drop from 60 -70 to below 13 or so , it never happen when i use my nvidia 6600 TD .

also i get bluescreen sometimes when my sister play those casual game from yahoo, reflexive which also never happen when use 6600

finally i also get " zero display service error" whenever i install the driver and CCC .

i remove all ATI files and registry which i can find before reinstall but still same problem keep surfacing .

hope some pros here can help me out or its just stupid ati driver that cannot work on openGL.

tnaks for helping in advance


Added on November 11, 2008, 3:36 am
QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 10 2008, 11:07 PM)
Wow the post is 1800+. Learn a couple of stuff here.

Anyway, anybody know how is the performance difference of

4650 ati 512 DDR2; with

and 4670 ati 512 DDR3

I heard makers purposely put a DDR2 on 4650 to "slow it down"

Cheers.
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i own 4670 and so far i play red alert 3 and "medal of honor- air borne" with ultra optimum setting with very little lag from red alert (when major explosion) and all smooth on air borne . i think u cannot get that smooth when using 4650 . i am happy with the performance as it is cheap and dosnt require additional power to "juice" this card and still can get good graphic result. it is worth with every penny i spent on it icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

the only problem is that it seems cannot support well with openGL (which what i hate zZzz mad.gif mad.gif )
i guess if u want something "BIG and CHEAP" there surely some defect in it cry.gif cry.gif

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post Nov 11 2008, 07:32 AM

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i wanted to ask that at the dxdiag screen, those who are using vista sp1, what did it show? Mine is directx 10 only.
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post Nov 11 2008, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Nov 10 2008, 10:09 PM)
last time i ply assassin's creed wit 3870, works fine.
play again once move to 4870, also no problem................=.=
agree, human eyes can really notice the lag once fps drop bellow ~20.
dats y 30fps is always consider smooth..........................
u wont differentiate if the game run @ 30fps constantly vs. 60fps constantly...........
but ~25 will feel the slowdown.
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Friend..this has been argued countless time and proven....60fps made a hell lot of difference compared to 30fps.


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 11 2008, 11:43 AM)
Friend..this has been argued countless time and proven....60fps made a hell lot of difference compared to 30fps.
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yup, last time when i played wow i turned on v-sync so fps stuck at 60, after that i turned it off and fps goes up to 100+ can really see the difference especially when u're on your flying mount and look around.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 11 2008, 11:43 AM)
Friend..this has been argued countless time and proven....60fps made a hell lot of difference compared to 30fps.
arguably 30fps is good enough BUT to have an average at 30fps means it could potentially have drop to below 25fps.

having 60 fps on the other hand, even if it drop 30 frames it is still nicely playable. smile.gif

IMO best is still 60 fps while 25 fps is the minimum average but 25 on average would also mean you're gonna lag sooner or later. (yes, like what i mentioned in 1st sentence).
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post Nov 11 2008, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(DunkyKung @ Nov 10 2008, 11:47 PM)
i noe dat..last time counter same problem with u..dat lanun version u get is a leaked of assassin creed..not stable...its not ur card problem.. smile.gif
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yeah, the leak version of AC comes out 2 weeks b4 official launch............. shocking.gif
the game will crash no matter wat every time u enter Juruselem.
QUOTE(xpresside @ Nov 11 2008, 11:52 AM)
yup, last time when i played wow i turned on v-sync so fps stuck at 60, after that i turned it off and fps goes up to 100+ can really see the difference especially when u're on your flying mount and look around.
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u'll notice wen during those "slow" part of the game.

like example a game is running @ 30fps, may b during intense firefight will drop to ~20.
where if a game running @ 60fps, it drop to may b 40 - 50fps.

dis is y u feel the different.
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post Nov 11 2008, 03:52 PM

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30fps still not visible for d lagging...
my anime run @25+fps and dont see any laggish...
maybe it depends on d eyes itself...
mine still ok under 30fps...just dont go under 20...
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post Nov 11 2008, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(tech_frix @ Nov 11 2008, 03:52 PM)
30fps still not visible for d lagging...
my anime run @25+fps and dont see any laggish...
maybe it depends on d eyes itself...
mine still ok under 30fps...just dont go under 20...
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ya ur rite bro..if under 30fps it will fell a bitt sloww .. all ur movement will delay a bit ...
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QUOTE(tech_frix @ Nov 11 2008, 03:52 PM)
30fps still not visible for d lagging...
my anime run @25+fps and dont see any laggish...
maybe it depends on d eyes itself...
mine still ok under 30fps...just dont go under 20...
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movie/drama/animation FPS != Game FPS
http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_5.html
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post Nov 11 2008, 07:13 PM

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r u on sp1? Then i think maybe is like that la..
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