Metal has no boundaries, indeed but some genres create a law (esp. black metal) to differentiate between other genres. I care about genres.. It's really shows that you're know what are you listening to or not and is it you're a real metaller or just being a trendy on the music scene. This determine your knowledge about the music too.. Yes, it looks like a short minded, but you might saw a lot of old timer of metal might say the same think like this too unless if you're not been in underground scene where at that time we're making trading without profit for the love of the metal music, we share the flyers amongst us by traditional way (mail) and trade in some good stuff, and contact the band by ourselves. We're not depends on the shop to get the stuff, so we will get news faster than others too.

Nowadays it's differs, more ppl like of being glamor and didn't pay much attention on the metal ethics. So many posers out there claimed they're listen to this band and that band but not knowing whose the real root, the origin, some ppl also claimed they're pioneer band but in reality they're such a copycat of others band. This will differentiate between the new comer and the old timer of metal of course!

Anyway i'm not listening to metal music only, i also listen to the old school hardcore band like D.R.I, Embrace, Fugazi, Casey Jones, Dag Nasty, Absurd, Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Buzzcocks, Embrace Today, 25 Ta Life, Backbone, Mineral, Refused, Strife, Earth Crisis, Propaghandi, Sunny Day Real Estate, Ignite, Youth of today, Texas is the reason etc..

Also the new wave of deathmetal, like the band i mentioned earlier and the old metalcore band like hatebreed, biohazard, Undying, Shadows Fall, Shai Hulud, Walls of Jericho etc..

Math core (instead of calling them math metal) / chaotic / fast core / screamo (real screamo is differ than trendy and commercial mtv emo crap) like this band Acheemelie, Ampere, Black Cross, Black Line Fever, Cassandra Complex, Coalesce, Cougar Den, Daitro, Dear Daiary I Seem to be dead, Denali, Envy (japan master screamo), Fear before the march of flames, Forensics, Framtid, Funeral Diner, Gauge Means Nothing, Hassan I sabbah, Hot Cross, Idiot Pilot, Jenny Piccolo, Kaaos, Kaospilot, La Quiete, Mihai Edrisch, Nervewreck, Norma Jean, Orchid, Neil Perry, Page 99, Shikari, The Jhai Alai, The Locust, Utarid (malaysian screamo.. not commercial type of band!).... ahhh so many of them if i mentioned all you'll be shocked by then.. hahahahahahhahahahahah


I also listening to grindcore, crust grind, D-beat, noise core, noise grind, crossover stuff, mince core... you can always ask me if you wanna know about them... I can differentiate either they're on metalside or otherwise..

This post has been edited by kInOzAwA: Apr 28 2010, 08:32 PM

My first metal tape was an Iron Maiden Live After Death album bought in 1986...my first rock tape was Search's Mentari Merah album bought on the same day from the same pasar malam.

A year after after that, thrash came to our land and blew everything away - and it all started with Metallica's Kill Em All....

So to me personally, in extreme metal (beginning with thrash obviously) nothing is important unless you started your metal journey with Kill 'Em All.

So yeah...to hell with all these silly metal genres, just metal up your ass and kill em all!

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Added on April 29, 2010, 3:10 amtrue dat! stuck into thrash in 87... now already 2010 and still stuck with it...

This post has been edited by silbii: Apr 29 2010, 03:11 AM

that's cool that you're in the scene at that time. According to an old friend that i still hang out with till nowadays , Mr Marzuk of Zulmat Zine from Terengganu (one of the earliest fanzine in metal scene back in 1987. All were hand written ), the scene of thrash metal start earliest than that... most probably in circa '83 - '85, brought back by a student who's studying at overseas. While Vulgar, the first black metal band hailed from Ipoh was started in 1984..

So, that's mean the start of an era to every states in malaysia was differs between each other. But, anyway hail to you

nice......
i also listen to the bands in bold

i would like to congratulate to u for staying true to urself

btw yeah it was my mistake,it should be MATHCORE instead of MATHMETAL
i dunno since when the 'mathmetal' genre pop up,but recently i saw they use that genre to label meshuggah music

btw ive been into underground scene too,i even play in gigs with my previous band
even sharing same stage with those local bands u stated above

talking about ethics n posers......ive seen it all
some of these people who really stand by the ethics in the underground scene back then,are now the one who sells out
skang da masuk tv,main music mainstream......dulu masa main kt underground kutuk semua tu kaw2 hahaha
but i dont mind that,peoples change....dont they ?

like i said,i just want to enjoy good music.....no longer interested with genre n ethics
if anybody else want to stand by their ethics n wanna continue doing it......go ahead........i will support u to do watever u believe in

*btw Shai Hulud is coming to kl,7th may

This post has been edited by bug_vengeance: Apr 29 2010, 09:26 AM

death metal? no la.. metalcore is something like punk/heavy metal stuff... Try the Band "dead by april" They have those punk style look but their music is not really punk.. mor elike melodic metal or some shit like dat... then i search in wiki it says is some modern punk metal shit

maybe different sub genre of metalcore? u think so?

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Added on April 29, 2010, 11:43 amyeah nowadays metal have alot of crazy funny genres.. math metal, future metal what the hell? who came up with these crazy names for genre anyway? the band itself? maybe their music sounds nice but when i see how they label the genres i would give it up without even listening to them

This post has been edited by f4tE: Apr 29 2010, 11:43 AM

You guys probably remember the 2 KLHC factions back in 94-95 and the sXe way of life that were all the rage back then...

that's good, i think the 'caring' meaning for genre i stated here that at least we know what it is except if you listening to those mainstream... i also listening to 'em too like a dead popstar michael jackson... hahahhahahaha... i never care about that genre.. hahahahahhaha...

bagus bagus... sekarang bebudak dalam scene metal dah open sket tak macam dulu.. strict sgt.. hahaha.. tapi aku takde laa strict sgt pon pasal tu.. lantak ler komer janji jgn kena bahan sudey..

hahaha u must forgot the old band like the 'old' black thrash metal from brazil, sarcofago, don't you see the drummer with a punk outfit as well? Quorthon from bathory also from u/g punk music scene... but bathory was one of the legend in metal scene. Most of the old metaller appreciate the old hardcore punk band like Discharge too. Do you know about that? The sound of grindcore is a well mix between death metal meet thrash and punk music, do u think this is a crazy funny genre? Don't read and depends to wikipedia... sometimes the data is not accurated and contains the word from poser, someone who didn't know to differentiate the music as well. it's a freedom dictionary that was written by unknown people.. everyone can edit the wikipedia as well.

Yeah i remember about that and never forgot. I know some of the people from KLHC, JBHC and N9HC too

This post has been edited by kInOzAwA: Apr 29 2010, 01:39 PM

anybody dig as i lay dying

I remembered guys who hang out around CM will never get along with guys who hang out at KLCC.
I can't seem to remember what was the main issue that caused this whole fiasco...

still waiting for leak new album
why almost same the release of bullet for my valentine

different ideology.. some claimed that they're true sXe.. hahahaha.. crap... it's crap whatever they said. Now where these guys? I don't see any muslim sXe around except a new comer.. But in reality, seem like nobody is the real sXe... And what's surprised me more that a d-beat/fastcore/crusty follower nowadays claims that they're anti-metal.. hahahaha what a crap more anyway... Most of the time they're bashing Black metal in their fanzine. These crap-head who already known to survive in a free-for-all.. making some bullshit minded, they're still talking about the anti-capitalist, bla bla bla...

remember about that?

its quite a pity for newcomers/current generation

apparently just listening to metal isnt metal enough

hav to score a1 in metal history and have hands-in industrial experience then only can be accepted by old ppl

not like that actually. if you like something you may dwell onto it right? So, you can see your effort through that. If you love metal what will you do for that? what's your contribution for the things you love at most..
only you know what's exactly happen in the past but not the future. Most from my past experience, ppl keep asking about the future from the band's interview in fanzine.. hahahah nobody know about the real future.. Everyone will die for sure..

hahahahahah... that seems you have some disagreement in the terms. I bet there's still somebody accept you if you're being honest and have a good attitude in front of them...

it's pity that most newcomer nowadays don't have a chance to be in the scene of the real metal underground... the traditional trading, pass-on some goodies, info/flyers etc, situation (it's not the same nowadays... the old time i felt more better than nowadays, more gigs, nobody care that you're metal or not).... nowadays ppl will look at you if you're wearing a black metal shirt with big inverted cross (especially Marduk's shirt like i had in the past..)

if you're muslim living in peninsular malaysia then it will be more trouble if you're wearing that shirt in front of religious officer... religious officer will took action because black metal has been list as illegal culture for the muslim... they'll charges you even more with 'syariah law'.... while in the old time, nobody took action against it.. hahahahahaha

in the past, i was just listening to metal at most. But i still have time to concern about other u/g scene, because i need to know it for the co-related on some part of the music. Some old timer come from another old scene of punk.. take a look at joe kidd of carburator dung. He's one of the guy from the 1st Wave of metal in our local scene in malaysia. The old timer can mixed well with other u/g scene folks. Only a newcomer that created a barrier which is making the crap thing until it got noticed by the media.. I felt frustrated these poser that show-off some stupid attitude, or maybe has been payed to make a fool on the metal scene.

Do you realized about that? I saw my old black metal hang out friend (bandboy) Aie & Faizal of Aradia, the late Xul & Sham of War666, Zarim & the late mat pet of Imperial, the late odin of Ravenlord, pogie, zoy of Cryptic Malediction, wil of Sauts Alastor, paen of Conqueror etc.. wearing a football jerseys back in 2002 after stupid harian metro newspaper spread wrong and negative views on the metal scene that we never did that.. Never ever!!! I felt this as a frustration. Most of 'em were already quit from the scene... Arggggghhhhhhhhh....

This post has been edited by kInOzAwA: Apr 30 2010, 03:07 AM

brb programming some games coz im not a true gamer if i only play it without being involved in the game creation process

i think you're mislead my purpose of determination here. What i mean, you'll surely find a lot of info in metal scene if you like metal at most. That's sufficient, if only that the thing you can do. By supporting the band you'll surely buy metal stuff.

Kinozawa, will u be there this Sunday?

nope. i work on this sunday

Hello. I'm new here. Just wanna share my little metal knowledge here. Not dat I'm not support local band, it's just I'm lack of information about local metal scene. Since I was poor to buy malaysian metal zine, I rely on internet for source of metal act & news.

My metal history is to long and boring Just know me as a metalhead dude from 90an who stole pirate Metallica - Black Album cassette from pasar malam ( true story ! hahahaha )... I'm a universal music listener, so I'm won't mind if u introduce me some music that your think it's awesome, as long it's got melodic rhythm in it. Yes. from 8bit sound, jpop/jrock, electro, industrial metal, gothic, dark metal, New Wave British Heavy metal, trash metal.... as long it's got melodic tunes & fast tempo, I listen.

My fav. music genre ? Gothenburg metal. I think this genre really fit my taste of music since I'm not into traditional death metal.

Fav. band ? Many of them are Swedish and Finnish, such as Dark Tranquillity ( Sweden ) and Insomnium ( Finland ).. too many list. Be'Lakor ( Australia ) and Eluveitie ( Switzerland ) are my one special band.

My words to young guys who begin to like music, please dig more about metal music. Stop saying ******** is best band in the world, how silly lily are u ? Open your eyes and open your mind more, there are far greater musician out there who produce an unforgetable tunes and play live way better than band your often listen in the radio.

In my opinion, ******** won't last, i bet they won't last for 35 years like Iron Maiden ( 1975–present still an active band ). They will root, they will forgetable, next generation won't remember them... that time your realize metal music is still alive, Iron Maiden out for new album... who knows...

AILD The Powerless Rise *cough* ...uh...today got....this stuff is heavier than their previous album.

oh heavier?

do u mean musically heavier or vocally heavier?
imma looking forward to this, as GF moved into 7 strings territory
shud start saving up for a 7 now

as for the genre debate, its up to u
as long u guys respect each other, no bashing, no more pride wars
settle rite