ET, quake 3 and css. Because css need faster response, so i bought ikari to try ma. Ikari click's is softer and more responsive than deathadder. But da is good for tracking game(note this is because im a palm grip)

This post has been edited by mois: Oct 5 2008, 08:29 PM

Yah. DA has driver problems. My friend has a DA and brings it to LAN, but whenever he plugs it in, it says, device not recognized, and he has to restart his computer. The only software that the Ikari has is to change its CPI for the CPI settings, basically, don't need it at all, since the Ikari Optical is not a mouse with macro functions, a driver is not needed, that is the speciality, according to SteelSeries, about the Ikari Optical, Plug-And-Play purposes. Not sure bout Ikari Laser though. Wheeeeeee. 5Hv2 coming soooon!!!

ikari laser, recommend u guys to install driver coz it got 2 macro button.. and u can download pro gamers profile from ss website to ur ikari laser to experience what they experienced when playing certain games.. (note that when loading their profile to our mouse, the mouse will follow the cpi setting and the macro buttons the pro gamer used..)

althought u big razer fan...and i also using razer gear too.. but once i test use the ikari mouse, i feel it is better than my razer...u should test to use it... but different people got different preferences, this is also depends what game u play...chill la... no nid bring up fire.. just a review and comment of experience..

It's hilarious to watch morons run in circles. Let me break this down into parts so that it's easier for you to read, since you seem to have a problem doing that.

1) If you'll notice, I said Ikari Laser skips. Most FPS gamers would opt for the Ikari Optical, which does not experience this skipping. But if you want a high-dpi mouse that does not skip, the Ikari Laser is not one of them. Cause 2G laser skips. Period.

2) ESReality mouse score shows that the DA currently has the highest perfect tracking speed of any mouse. Admittedly, they have not tested the Ikari Optical, but mind you, the DA has perfect speed of over 4m/s. So unless you move your mouse at more than 4 metres a second, there is no difference in the tracking. It's just your own inability, don't blame the mouse.

3) DA's heat problem, still want to argue about that? You got that one wrong, accept it and move on. I use mine at high DPI and get no heat problem. It's an issue with individual units.

4) Again, learn how to read. I said I tested an Ikari, that was an Optical by the way. At no point did I state that I owned one. Good try though, pay more attention next time.

5) "Feels" like its made of cheap plastic isn't really proof that its poor build quality. But I'll chalk this one down to personal preference, I don't need another point against you. Oh and also, things wear down, by the way. Wear and tear. Live with it, or better yet, RMA it if it's as bad as you say it is.

6) Driver issues are resolved now, aren't they? Besides, I've never experienced any problems replugging any of my mice.

I'd like to encourage you to try harder to come up with "points". But you seem more focused on making ad hominem attacks and baseless claims rather than engaging in an intelligent discussion. And it's also ironic that you claim that I have no concrete proof. Need I explain why? Or have you realised it yourself by now?

Hopefully someone comes along with a little more intelligence so that I can actually learn something about these Ikari than repeat myself to an idiot.

Wow, u made so many invalid points i dont even feel like correcting you, should just leave you as ignorent and uneducated as you are,
but for G_ken sake, being called a morons, prob me too, and every1 using steelstuff~

1) Laser skips, yeah, the first gen doest, i personally test the G5, stops traking at slightly fast movement speed, the 2nd gen you claimed thou, is no other different then your beloved razer 3rd gen, its made by the same manufacture, phillips to be exact, its called the twin-eye sensor, basically the same product in G9, ikari laser and lachesis, and they all perform up to 42cm/360, wothout neg accel or skipping or any tracking problems, but sir, who the hell play at that kind of sens? You have any idea how low is that? For example in cs, u have to swipe you mice in your mantis/everglide/goliathus, not even one full swipe in the largest mice mat can you turn over, some other people would knife you down from the back be4 you could even turn...
If you says skipping the da skips too, only after 4m/persecond, so it skips too right? But who the hell play at that sens? Its just too low~
So your argument is invalid and undoubtly stupid~

2)Esreality, yeah that famous gaming site, ah well, sujoy's review is usefull, but did you know why didn't updte the chart? 1st, his busy, 2nd, he said there is no more needs because the new generation of mices can all track at good enough speed for lowsensers~
You sir, you only know to use other sources and can't think by yourself,
is considered very ignorant and rude, by make others sound like idiots
makes you feel better?

3)Utter b$! Every IR mouse produces heat, the krait too, did u even studied physics? IR producest heat, to some extend, its not an isolated case, all da's, kraits produce a certain amount of heat, go check ur beloved esreality, some users stated it too...
Still dont trust me dont you? Good, leave ur da on ur cloth pad for some time and touch the spot u left it at, its warm!

4)No comment, except how could you not even own the mouse and says its bad? Haha...

5)Feel is a subjective term, to me, the da feels sturdier, but the side are sliperry, and its heavy, the feet is thin can small, so i prefer the ikari, but is my personal experience, there is no standard to judge the feel of a mice.

6)Yes, its all resorted, dont tell me the largest gaming gear company cant fix a flawed driver in such a long period?


Please sir, if you feel like trolling, go somewhere else, whats the point of bashing people with less knowledge on gaming gear then you? Do you really feel better because u read the esr charts and they didn't?
Get real my friend, each person's experience towards a certaint product
is different, god made no human equall, but some are certainly
dummer. ^^

Af for razer or steelseries? Which is better? Its personal judgement,
to me, i dislike the da's weight, strong button tension, and the alogarithm and correction used in the chip in order to attain the so
call good tracking speed up till 4ms, it simply felt less sensitive,
and accurate to me~ Where the ikari, felt easier to move,
more responsive and in place to me~

So? It doesnt mean ss is better? No, I just like it better!
Are razer's product bad? Nop, it is really subjective
and whats important buy what you like, dont just buy a product,
praise it to heave and condemn every one using other brands...
*Sigh* I thought a person with 3xx post might have slightly more depth...

This post has been edited by somiao5625: Oct 5 2008, 11:23 PM

I have been using DA for more than year now. I do not seem to have the problem of heat generating from the mouse and the problem with the PC unable to detect the mouse may seem to be an individual case, as I too have not experience either that.
It seems this claims is probably due to a defective batch, the difference between ikari and DA skipping is up to your experience as I have never tried Ikari before.

Cheers.

Now, thats what i call a subjective and comment with depth~

Cheers~

Wow, quite a long post, that one. But at least it has substance with a reasonable amount of evidence. Thank you for posting despite my apparent glaring mistakes.

1) Could you give me a source that says the 2G laser sensor is by Phillips? A quick google reveals nothing on that. Cause as far as I know, the 2G has a tracking speed only slightly better than 1G, though I can't seem to find the source. I also remember it stating that the 2G was not an improvement in tracking speed, only resolution. Will do a more thorough search tomorrow. Mind you, rather high speeds are easily reached on larger monitors with low-sens. And also, SteelSeries themselves admit that their optical sensors are superior to their laser ones.

2) Uhh, where did I say that the Ikari Optical can't track? My opinion was only about the Laser. If I'm wrong about that one, it's a mistake I made about the 2G laser sensor, related to the point above. Regardless, my comment was directed as his claim that the DA tracks worse than the Optical. In which case your point supports me, because all the new mice track just as well, according to you at least.

3) A certain amount. Try switching off the LED and feel the difference. It's certainly a little warm normally, but my statement was directed at an uncomfortable amount of heat, solvable by switching off the LEDs. As you mentioned, the IR sensor produces a small warm patch on the mousepad, not completely warming the mouse. So perhaps you, sir, should do a little thinking as well. And to answer your question, yes, I do study physics. IR is the lower range of the electromagnetic spectrum, on the opposite end of UV.

4) Before splashing 250 on a mouse, I'd definitely want to test it. If you'll notice, I left out most of the subjective elements of mice, including grip and feel. It was slightly uncomfortable to me, but no doubt it just takes getting used to. I was commenting on mostly objective elements, such as specs and features rather than personalised aspects. Owning the mouse is therefore irrelevant.

5) Precisely. Personal preference.

6) Again, precisely. Resolved. Question closed, no? It's a non-issue if the issue does not exist.

If you read through my posts carefully, at no point did I intend to troll or bash anyone using any products until someone came along with some rather provocative statements. I was simply searching for enlightenment on certain points which I wished to clarify, especially those that would justify the price tag. As you can see, your post is not quite killing mine, perhaps my first two were factual errors, but the remainder seemed to be more of misinterpretation and miscommunication rather than any actual error in statement.

As for mice being personal, that is absolutely true. Which is why all my points are again about objective elements rather than the subjective ones. I perfectly understand the individuality of each mouse. I should know, considering that I very much love the Razer Lachesis's much-derided shape. Thus, the arguments and points were based on specs and features, not grip and "feel". I actually believe that our points are very much in agreement, and I thank you for taking the time to make a post with actual substance rather than an uneducated one dedicated to bashing me.

edit: Come to think of it, this is precisely the sort of post I was looking for after my first post. The second post was made in a rather sour mood having been bashed by someone who is at the very least, as biased and prejudiced as he claims I am. Perhaps apologies are in order. But most importantly, I would like to make it absolutely clear that at *NO POINT* do I condemn SteelSeries or any other companies and their products. I am simply pointing out what I believe are weaknesses in their products, and if I am proven wrong, that I have no problem swallowing that pill. We all live and learn, but only through educated posts, not ones including four letter words for no apparent reason.

This post has been edited by PhantomThief: Oct 6 2008, 12:25 AM

._. emo forumers.

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Added on October 6, 2008, 12:47 amSeeing PhantomThief's signature, he is an obvious Razer fan, "The Gear
Headphones: Razer Barracuda™ HP-1 Keyboard: Razer/Microsoft Reclusa™ Gaming Mouse: Razer Lachesis™ Secondary Mouse: Razer DeathAdder™ Gaming Surface: Razer Goliathus™ [Speed Edition]" So I'm guessing he is just pointing out the goods of Razer, and comparing it to SteelSeries. And we, SteelSeries fans, have our own say. For me, I wanna say, DA was my first love, but Optical stole my heart away.

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Added on October 6, 2008, 12:48 amOh, I use a Reclusa too.

This post has been edited by bv2427: Oct 6 2008, 12:48 AM

thanks for the reviews in details xD

I actually got most of my stuff because I was influenced by the mice. Which I got before the release of SteelSeries. I have no problem with the users of any products whether it's A4Tech or Logitech or SteelSeries or Razer. As far as I'm concerned, it's the issues with the products that are questionable, not the users. In fact, I may have gotten the Optical instead of my DeathAdder, though I dislike the lift-off on it. The Lachesis is still my true love though. Beast of a mouse

Now, back to the topic. I did a little searching on Google cause I can't quite seem to sleep tonight. Always the case on the first Sunday after a week of holidays. Anyhow, a fairly thorough search on Google reveals absolutely no evidence of G9 or the Ikari using the same sensor as my "beloved" Razer 3rd gen. In fact, all evidence seems to point to it being 2G. Why? They are both 3200DPI. They both have a maximum acceleration of 20G. Which means those specifications are exactly the same as that of other 2G laser mice. Not a shred of evidence to indicate the opposite. It is, however, a very easily resolved issue. Will someone with an Ikari Laser please provide a few pictures of the sensor? A true Twin-Eye sensor, as the name might suggest, has two little circles within the sensor.

Example:

And also, Samuel, the policy of not bashing other products is a little rich coming from you. It's a noble policy, but one should practice what one preaches. What with "people who buys razer usually care more about the nice glow other than quality, responsiveness and functionality~". Not just bashing the products, but even the people who buy them. Interesting, isn't it, how posts you've made in the past may come to bite you in the ass Sigh, and I thought *you* had depth.

This post has been edited by PhantomThief: Oct 6 2008, 02:03 AM

Is the image clear enough to indentify the sensor? Just though i might helps. Cheers.

Lol brian, i dint't wana point out his a razer fan xD
U did =P
Erm, okay, i will no be kind anymore~
Your using the lachesis, i'm 100% sure your a newb, how can you not notice that the stupid lachesis sensor moves itself, skips even when your press it, and has a horrble shape....
No this time my answer is objective, the lachesis is clearly a flawed product! Only newbies who uses it says it performs well because they cant even notice that it is flawed, GG
U just bought one of razer bate product, i suggest u request
an exchage for another mouse, razer is a very open company and
will 100% exchange it for you~
If you want proof that the lachesis is utter crap, i'll kindly put 20 links here to proove it~

The fact that you dont even know what sensor's in your mouse proves your an ignorant person, how can you compare and comment on something you yourself sir, are not sure off?
I trying to give valid reasonings and comments here, sorry for
my previous aggresiveness on my statements, i just want you to
know that we have our own opinions~

To be very honest with you, i think your trying to defend the very product you buy, after buying into razer's marketting, the 3g term is just
razer's big "hey our's is better" term, trying to make their competitors
look obsolete products, nothing wrong with that, just a strategic move for the company, but we as user's have the right to choose and comment~
The fact that the G9, Ikari laser, and the lachesis have the same sensor is true, all manufactured by philips, but some of the sensors were modded,
razer's was modded to have higher movement speed and dpi, whr the ikari disables correction of movement and precise dpi tuning, the G9
is using the stock sensor imo~
This newer gen of products are basically the same products from the same company, but on paper the lachesis have better specs, which make it looks like its a newer generation.

Brain, on me being a ss fanboy, is not true, i'm a neutral and subjective user, i use whatever that i think of feels nice to me, in short razer is no cheap company with lousy products, but they do have alot of quality problems, mostly their laser mice line and audio products, some keyboard probs too, the very tarantula i'm typing now with its lights blinking randomly~

Oh, phantom, regarding the DA, it does become warm after some time, yes your right not to a uncomfotable level, but it makes me sweat, that with the heavy weight of the da and its sliperry sides makes it hard to grip for me, i also have rather large fingers, so the curve up section in the right side of the mice leave no place for my pinky and ring finger to rest, thats why i prefer the ikari over the DA, on your statement the ikari laser skips, my answer is, yes it does, so does the DA, every mouse has it limits, the issue is, general gamers, even the low sensers will not hit the treshold of the sensor's limitation, but in very rare cases,
so extreme people who uses 60~70cm/360, the mouse it not usable,
Your not saying the optical is tracking badly? No you dindn't, i never said you did, but imo, i hate the optical and cant play well with it
due to its liftoff, thats purely my opinion, but some people, for example brian, its doesnt affect him at all~ He likes it, that is what i call preference...

Robert, razer's ceo, we used to exchange mails, we disscussed various issues on gaming gear, concepts and philosophies...
I have my very on opinions that a good set of gaming gear, should
be made to the maximum extend of technologies, and highly customed to everybody's needs~
But robert, and razer's vision, is to make gaming gear that is available to everybody and performed well generally~
Which includes their innovation in hardware technologies and more passive shapes~

These doesnt mean that i'm a fanboy or whasoever, i just use what i like, i don't take sides...

Again my appologies if i offended anybody in my heated post and comments~

This post has been edited by somiao5625: Oct 6 2008, 04:45 AM

bro,the white and pink mouse is IRON LADY series...

eh PhantomThief, if u dont own an ikari, better dont make any 'make-up' comments ya.. comments i made earlier r base on my personal experience.. so, it might be true or false.. its all started when someone asked for comparison between ikari and DA.. and i own both of them.. (will show u tonite if possible) in fact, i myself a razer fan boi.. i own DA, exactmatx, goliathus, and barracuda hp-1.. but as for mouse, i prefer ikari LASER rather than DA ok.. i know u did used them, but for how long? u should use it long enuf b4 making any rude comments.. no harsh feelings ya..

lolz....in the middle of the war? =D

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Added on October 6, 2008, 2:17 pmlolz...u from subang? How's the review goin dude?

This post has been edited by Hellswarm: Oct 6 2008, 02:17 PM

Haha yeah, i'm studying in taylors~
Just contacted the distributer, he said he will arrange time to
deliver the products to me~
So patience ^^

G_ken, thats right! We both used products from steel and razer, we aren't biased, we just use what we like~
We don't need somebody who buys in some cool marketting gimmick
and bling lights to tell us what is best~ =P

Phantom, u bashed us, i'll return you the favor, no need to have depth
talking to people like u~

haha..hellswarm i takut see them..

come on ppl.. constructive criticism is best here..

erm somiao..can u giv sum examples which pro players uses ikari?cz i nvr seen 1..tks..

i think sk/zet is using it. He replaced spawN in sk gaming. Damn spawn is a good player.