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PhantomThief
post Oct 6 2008, 05:09 PM

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You want a review on the Lachesis? Sure. It moves about a single pixel or so when clicked, but only on 4000DPI. Other than that, it also moves if I'm using my speakers and there's a significant bass note, or if my DVD drive is at full spin. Other than that, it does not "move itself". Earlier you said that shape and feel was a subjective thing. I got the Lachesis *after* I got my DeathAdder because I use a hybrid grip, somewhat between a claw and a palm grip. For this, the Lachesis is ideal. If you're a purist, it's not going to work very well, but it suits me. Just cause 10 reviewers who use conventional grips say it's bad doesn't actually mean that it is. Also, any reviews that talk about skipping is quite obviously before the new firmwares and drivers. It was a horrid product when it came out, but it isn't now thanks to firmware fixes. Once the problems are fixed, again, it is a non-issue.

What am I not sure of? I seem pretty sure of most of my comments.

The 3G sensor works for me and it has a proven higher tracking speed. On the other hand, you haven't shown a single piece of evidence that the Ikari and G9 use the Phillips Twin-Eye. Please, back your statement up with proof and I will be more than happy to concede this point to you. But all you've said is based on nothing but your word, and my word is as good as yours as far as objectivity is concerned.

My point being that if the Ikari uses a 2G laser, it skips well before the DA ever would. Here's what I think is a fairly impartial person posting on the Ikari mice: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1616569

Note what he says about the Ikari laser, which is what I am trying to say. Though I seem to be having some difficulty in getting most of my points across.

The rest of your statements are incoherent and don't seem to have much to do with the points I've addressed in my earlier post. And for someone who tries to act as an impartial judge who keeps his cool, you're fairly heated up over something as trivial as a gaming mouse.

About the Ikari Optical and the notorious lift-off distance, have you tried sticking additional mouseskates to increase the height? It is what SS recommends to resolve the issue. It would probably change the glide and feel of the mouse though.

Now please, read my post carefully and tell me if I am at fault with any of my points. And provide some evidence before labelling me as ignorant and a noob. Not that it matters to me, but it would certainly be nicer to have a polite, intelligent conversation rather than one with snide hints and ad hominem attacks.

QUOTE(somiao5625 @ Oct 6 2008, 04:40 AM)
Lol brian, i dint't wana point out his a razer fan xD
U did =P
Erm, okay, i will no be kind anymore~
Your using the lachesis, i'm 100% sure your a newb, how can you not notice that the stupid lachesis sensor moves itself, skips even when your press it, and has a horrble shape....
No this time my answer is objective, the lachesis is clearly a flawed product! Only newbies who uses it says it performs well because they cant even notice that it is flawed, GG
U just bought one of razer bate product, i suggest u request
an exchage for another mouse, razer is a very open company and
will 100% exchange it for you~
If you want proof that the lachesis is utter crap, i'll kindly put 20 links here to proove it~

The fact that you dont even know what sensor's in your mouse proves your an ignorant person, how can you compare and comment on something you yourself sir, are not sure off?
I trying to give valid reasonings and comments here, sorry for
my previous aggresiveness on my statements, i just want you to
know that we have our own opinions~

To be very honest with you, i think your trying to defend the very product you buy, after buying into razer's marketting, the 3g term is just
razer's big "hey our's is better" term, trying to make their competitors
look obsolete products,  nothing wrong with that, just a strategic move for the company, but we as user's have the right to choose and comment~
The fact that the G9, Ikari laser, and the lachesis have the same sensor is true, all manufactured by philips, but some of the sensors were modded,
razer's was modded to have higher movement speed and dpi, whr the ikari disables correction of movement and precise dpi tuning, the G9
is using the stock sensor imo~
This newer gen of products are basically the same products from the same company, but on paper the lachesis have better specs, which make it looks like its a newer generation.

Brain, on me being a ss fanboy, is not true, i'm a neutral and subjective user, i use whatever that i think of feels nice to me, in short razer is no cheap company with lousy products, but they do have alot of quality problems, mostly their laser mice line and audio products, some keyboard probs too, the very tarantula i'm typing now with its lights blinking randomly~

Oh, phantom, regarding the DA, it does become warm after some time, yes your right not to a uncomfotable level, but it makes me sweat, that with the heavy weight of the da and its sliperry sides makes it hard to grip for me, i also have rather large fingers, so the curve up section in the right side of the mice leave no place for my pinky and ring finger to rest, thats why i prefer the ikari over the DA, on your statement the ikari laser skips, my answer is, yes it does, so does the DA, every mouse has it limits, the issue is, general gamers, even the low sensers will not hit the treshold of the sensor's limitation, but in very rare cases,
so extreme people who uses 60~70cm/360, the mouse it not usable,
Your not saying the optical is tracking badly? No you dindn't, i never said you did, but imo, i hate the optical and cant play well with it
due to its liftoff, thats purely my opinion, but some people, for example brian, its doesnt affect him at all~ He likes it, that is what i call preference...

Robert, razer's ceo, we used to exchange mails, we disscussed various issues on gaming gear, concepts and philosophies...
I have my very on opinions that a good set of gaming gear, should
be made to the maximum extend of technologies, and highly customed to everybody's needs~
But robert, and razer's vision, is to make gaming gear that is available to everybody and performed well generally~
Which includes their innovation in hardware technologies and more passive shapes~

These doesnt mean that i'm a fanboy or whasoever, i just use what i like, i don't take sides...

Again my appologies if i offended anybody in my heated post and comments~
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post Oct 6 2008, 05:43 PM

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Then why u said ikari doesnt worth the price tag? We all are satisfied with the mouse/price, because its worth..My icemat is an example. It has been 2 years now. And exactly like newly bought.. ..If u not happy with the price and think that ss is selling expensive stuff, u should not be here. Even worse if u tried the mouse few times without owning it.

OFf topic
And i found urself really a razer fan. There is once in Q&A thread, u even recommend them razer barracuda hp-1. Even urs is lucky unit, it doesnt mean they will get the same lucky unit. Because barracuda is known well for it suck quality. I was a razer fan before. But after i tried ss and microsft stuff, it make me feel razer=expensive=suck quality.

1) My tarantula, some untouch keys faded already. And the feeling doesnt same as the first time(this is well known issue). If u try 7g/6g, it have better responsive and can spam millions time. Casanova owns a 6g.

2) Goliathus and exactmat quality really poor. Take a look. This happened after 1 week usage. My exactmat, the control surface already become speed surface liao.

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post Oct 6 2008, 05:45 PM

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Weeeelllll, on the Lachesis issue, when I first plugged it in, some time in the middle of this year, without drivers whatsoever, the cursor was shaking like nonsense. Furthermore, its on a cloth mousepad, and it still shook like crazy. Clicking on an icon on the desktop was a chore, and typing a simple 'LOL' made the cursor vibrate like OMG! Not sure how what I'm saying is relevant to the topic at hand. biggrin.gif But after the driver was installed, computer restarted, it was fine.
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post Oct 6 2008, 06:27 PM

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erm, PhantomThief, i suggest that maybe we should forget about this and move on.. we people have different taste/opinions on something.. yeah, i know some r sux and sum r rocks, but in the end, we should be happy on what we bought using our hard earned money ya.. btw, about the 2G/3G laser thingy, i think thats all gimmick.. for example, unreal 2.. it used unreal engine 2.0 and with comparison with brand new graphic engine like crytek or source, for sure unreal engine 2 left behind.. but, what about ghost recon advanced warfighter and rainbow six vegas, they use the SAME unreal 2.0 engine, but looked nicer than unreal 2 game.. to sum up all, same technology used does not mean that its ketinggalan zaman already, juz like ikari 2G laser tech, it can actually competes with 3G laser tech.. so, we can conclude its all marketing gimmick juz to attract us buyers.. if got skipping issues, sometimes its juz that the mouse mat that we used might not suit the mouse we used..

btw, phantomthief.. from the beginning, i was comparing razer Deathadder with steelseries ikari LASER mouse, not razer lachesis with ikari optical.. lachesis, i cant comment about it coz i've never used it b4.. but i used DA for almost 2 years, surely i know all the pros and cons of the mouse.. as for ikari laser, ive been using it for a month and it has very good first impression and so far working perfectly, even on FPS games without some skipping issues eventhough ikari LASER was meant for RTS/RPG games.. yes, you might have found some issues u dont like regarding ikari optical, but i was talking about ikari laser all along..

all in all, to conclude my comparison between DA and ikari LASER, DA is more comfortable for gaming due to its ergonomic shape but ikari LASER has better quality build (lebih tahan lasak dan lebih sesuai untuk long term gaming) especially for mmorpg nuts who played mmorpg games 24 hours non stop.. personally, i would also recommend fps gamers becoz u can change the cpi setting on the fly.. i know razer Deathadder also have this tech, but ikari is more responsive.. for rts games, ikari LASER has 2 macros button for u to set.. so, u can juz click one of the button at the mouse itself to unleash ulti weapon (if ur dota nuts tongue.gif ) without having to search for hotkeys in keyboard which are quite troublesome sometimes as split second action can make a lots of difference especially the life and death of ur virtual character ingame..

so, yeah, thats my personal experience that i want to share regarding ikari laser and razer deathadder.. it might be true, or it might be wrong, but every person will undergo different experiences using their mice.. that's all from me..

thank you.. smile.gif
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post Oct 6 2008, 06:30 PM

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Tell me a pro gamer who uses a DA? ^^
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post Oct 6 2008, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(somiao5625 @ Oct 6 2008, 06:30 PM)
Tell me a pro gamer who uses a DA? ^^
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mois? lol... (yeah, he is a pro gamer.. juz that not as popular though.. tongue.gif )
somiao5625
post Oct 6 2008, 07:11 PM

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Haha, yeah he is ^^
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post Oct 6 2008, 07:28 PM

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i am considering ikari optical or laser..

can u guys give me some differentiation..

i play game.. fps, rts just all type of game...
warcraft 3 melee game also
required 200 apm +- normally..

what is the ideal mouse
thanks ya
PhantomThief
post Oct 6 2008, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 6 2008, 05:43 PM)
Then why u said ikari doesnt worth the price tag? We all are satisfied with the mouse/price, because its worth..My icemat is an example. It has been 2 years now. And exactly like newly bought.. ..If u not happy with the price and think that ss is selling expensive stuff, u should not be here. Even worse if u tried the mouse few times without owning it.

OFf topic
And i found urself really a razer fan. There is once in Q&A thread, u even recommend them razer barracuda hp-1. Even urs is lucky unit, it doesnt mean they will get the same lucky unit. Because barracuda is known well for it suck quality. I was a razer fan before. But after i tried ss and microsft stuff, it make me feel razer=expensive=suck quality.

1) My tarantula, some untouch keys faded already. And the feeling doesnt same as the first time(this is well known issue). If u try 7g/6g, it have better responsive and can spam millions time. Casanova owns a 6g.

2) Goliathus and exactmat quality really poor. Take a look. This happened after 1 week usage. My exactmat, the control surface already become speed surface liao.
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I also warned him that if he got a bad one, it would cause him much headache. But the only reason that I recommended it was because he stated surround sound as a criteria. The Barracuda is pretty much the only headphone around with true Surround Sound, other than another headphone which I can't remember. But that one was even worse than the Barracuda. If he did not state surround sound as a criteria, I would probably have recommended the Siberia series by SS. Yes, I am a Razer fan. Doesn't mean I make baseless recommendations and comments.

Also, I've never actually said that "IKARI IS OVERPRICED!". I just think that the price tag is relatively high among gaming gear products, which are expensive enough as it is. But again, I guess our financial states are relative. And the whole point of my comments was to find out exactly why these prices are so much higher compared to other products. Now I do know that the grip and feel is excellent and that the lift-off distance is not intolerable to certain users. It's a personal thing, so that's all fine and dandy.

QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 6 2008, 06:27 PM)
erm, PhantomThief, i suggest that maybe we should forget about this and move on.. we people have different taste/opinions on something.. yeah, i know some r sux and sum r rocks, but in the end, we should be happy on what we bought using our hard earned money ya.. btw, about the 2G/3G laser thingy, i think thats all gimmick.. for example, unreal 2.. it used unreal engine 2.0 and with comparison with brand new graphic engine like crytek or source, for sure unreal engine 2 left behind.. but, what about ghost recon advanced warfighter and rainbow six vegas, they use the SAME unreal 2.0 engine, but looked nicer than unreal 2 game.. to sum up all, same technology used does not mean that its ketinggalan zaman already, juz like ikari 2G laser tech, it can actually competes with 3G laser tech.. so, we can conclude its all marketing gimmick juz to attract us buyers.. if got skipping issues, sometimes its juz that the mouse mat that we used might not suit the mouse we used..

btw, phantomthief.. from the beginning, i was comparing razer Deathadder with steelseries ikari LASER mouse, not razer lachesis with ikari optical.. lachesis, i cant comment about it coz i've never used it b4.. but i used DA for almost 2 years, surely i know all the pros and cons of the mouse.. as for ikari laser, ive been using it for a month and it has very good first impression and so far working perfectly, even on FPS games without some skipping issues eventhough ikari LASER was meant for RTS/RPG games.. yes, you might have found some issues u dont like regarding ikari optical, but i was talking about ikari laser all along..

all in all, to conclude my comparison between DA and ikari LASER, DA is more comfortable for gaming due to its ergonomic shape but ikari LASER has better quality build (lebih tahan lasak dan lebih sesuai untuk long term gaming) especially for mmorpg nuts who played mmorpg games 24 hours non stop.. personally, i would also recommend fps gamers becoz u can change the cpi setting on the fly.. i know razer Deathadder also have this tech, but ikari is more responsive.. for rts games, ikari LASER has 2 macros button for u to set.. so, u can juz click one of the button at the mouse itself to unleash ulti weapon (if ur dota nuts tongue.gif ) without having to search for hotkeys in keyboard which are quite troublesome sometimes as split second action can make a lots of difference especially the life and death of ur virtual character ingame..

so, yeah, thats my personal experience that i want to share regarding ikari laser and razer deathadder.. it might be true, or it might be wrong, but every person will undergo different experiences using their mice.. that's all from me..

thank you.. smile.gif
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I never quite said anything was ketinggalan zaman. I simply said that technically, the 2G sensor *is* inferior to the 3G sensor *because* of the tracking speed. As for everything else, I apologise for the misunderstandings. And I respect your personal opinion that Ikari is superior to the DA. To each our own. Perhaps I'll snag it off my friend for a few weeks and see how it goes.

Samuel, no proof for the Phillips Twin-Eye in G9 and Ikari? Or are you "not wasting your time"?

To the forummer earlier who posted the picture, I'm sorry, but it's not really clear. There's one very obvious "eye", but the other one looks like it could go either way. Could you have a look for yourself and tell us if there's one or two?
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post Oct 6 2008, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(minmin @ Oct 6 2008, 07:28 PM)
i am considering ikari optical or laser..

can u guys give me some differentiation..

i play game.. fps, rts just all type of game...
warcraft 3 melee game also
required 200 apm +- normally..

what is the ideal mouse
thanks ya
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if ur rts/rpg gamers, go buy ikari laser imo.. it is designed first and foremost for rts/rpg gamers and it has 2 additional macro buttons..
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post Oct 6 2008, 07:54 PM

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Twin eye is just a term, moron, u bought the razer's b$
There is noneed to prove to you, wasting my time to prove it,
the truth is the trust, the fact is, razer modded the same product
and says it better, but instead, u, who bought the flawed product
trying to take your anger out here, just because the ikari is superior
to the lachesis~ =P
Btw, too lazy to find the source to proove it to you~
Any body with free time please give him the links~
Example, google it~
The retard seriously dont know how to use google~

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post Oct 6 2008, 07:56 PM

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no pro gamer use DA? joke?
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QUOTE(somiao5625 @ Oct 6 2008, 02:33 PM)
Haha yeah, i'm studying in taylors~
Just contacted the distributer, he said he will arrange time to
deliver the products to me~
So patience ^^
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haha taylor's...business huh?

QUOTE(CasaNova™ @ Oct 6 2008, 03:49 PM)
haha..hellswarm i takut see them.. biggrin.gif

come on ppl.. constructive criticism is best here..

erm somiao..can u giv sum examples which pro players uses ikari?cz i nvr seen 1..tks..
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hahaha...let them clear things up...just wait and see... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(mois @ Oct 6 2008, 05:02 PM)
i think sk/zet is using it. He replaced spawN in sk gaming. Damn spawn is a good player.
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haha really? i think SpawN back in 2003-2006 he's a good player...while playing against Lunatic.Hai @ Cpl Dallas, against Team3D or MyM @ WCG Finals and other tourney's he is unbeatable...but now replace him with Zet is a good decision by SK...
And SpawN yeah, he's a legend beside XeqtR they all... notworthy.gif
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post Oct 6 2008, 08:02 PM

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Phillips Twin-Eye is the model of laser sensor that *you* claimed is used by all those mice mentioned above. How on earth is twin eye a term? Unfortunately, this is probably going to be my last post here. I simply don't have the time to beat around the bush with hypocrites. You claim that I have no evidence, but you refuse to give any when I ask for it. I've done a fair few googles and there is not a single link, or even a post that has Phillips and Ikari in the same sentence. It seems that your attitude and significantly bloated ego is an obstacle to any sort of intelligent discussion. Considering you're hardly capable of typing a coherent post, I really don't want to waste my time anymore. If it makes your life better, sure, every mouse uses the Phillips Twin-Eye, which is a term, and Razer is complete shit while SteelSeries is the equipment of the Gods. There, I hope no one says that I take advantage of the mentally disabled.

To anyone who is still interested in discussing the pros and cons of various sensors and mouse models, or who has concrete proof on the nature of the sensors used by the G9 and Ikari, PM me.

As for all other SteelSeries users here, my sincerest apologies if I've offended any of you. That was never my intention, but certain individuals have nothing better to do with their lives than to assert their self-imagined superiority over others on the internet. I'll admit that I was more affected than I should have been, and for that I again apologise.

A very good day to all of you, and happy gaming!

QUOTE(somiao5625 @ Oct 6 2008, 07:54 PM)
Twin eye is just a term, moron, u bought the razer's b$
There is noneed to prove to you, wasting my time to prove it,
the truth is the trust, the fact is, razer modded the same product
and says it better, but instead, u, who bought the flawed product
trying to take your anger out here, just because the ikari is superior
to the lachesis~ =P
Btw, too lazy to find the source to proove it to you~
Any body with free time please give him the links~
Example, google it~
The retard seriously dont know how to use google~
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QUOTE(SteelSeriesGaming @ Oct 6 2008, 10:29 AM)
bro,the white and pink mouse is IRON LADY series...
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wouldn`t mind getting one .. getting bored of black mouse already .lol

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 6 2008, 05:02 PM)
i think sk/zet is using it. He replaced spawN in sk gaming. Damn spawn is a good player.
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i tink zet usin 1.1..correct me if im wrong..

huhu..got ppl mention my name..haha..yeap..6G is a superb kb thou the price tag..but no offense to razer fans.. blush.gif

fnatic|walle used to use DA..f0rest oso used krait den DA den now wmo 1.1..so it stil proves the intellieye is better..hahaha...
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QUOTE(CasaNova™ @ Oct 6 2008, 08:08 PM)
i tink zet usin 1.1..correct me if im wrong..

huhu..got ppl mention my name..haha..yeap..6G is a superb kb thou the price tag..but no offense to razer fans.. blush.gif

fnatic|walle used to use DA..f0rest oso used krait den DA den now wmo 1.1..so it stil proves the intellieye is better..hahaha...
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hmm of coz lo...now u popular becoz u pro tongue.gif

hmm old skewl mouse rocks for gaming i guess blush.gif


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QUOTE(bv2427 @ Oct 6 2008, 08:10 PM)
emo forumer(s) ._.
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btw just for adding.. some of pros that use deathadder are Edward (virtuspro) , carn (fnatic), and several players in lunatic-hai.. and im sure there are more other pro gamers use DA..
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Added on October 6, 2008, 8:17 pm
QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Oct 6 2008, 08:07 PM)
wouldn`t mind getting one .. getting bored of black mouse already .lol

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haha.. but the colour quite sharp seriously.. it is nice....

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