You can install the water filter near your water meter if it is near your condo unit as per the photo below.


However, some condo have a meter room and you cant install it there. Therefore, you will need to find somewhere suitable inside your condo and you might need to hack the wall a little. The outdoor filter is very small and does not require backwash, very suitable for CONDO. It could provide 370,000 litres of clean water for your whole unit.

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Added on July 26, 2012, 9:28 pmTHe filter will be installed near your water meter. Hence, it will filter the water for your whole house.

3M AP902 does not require backwash but you need to replace the cartridge after 370,000litres or when u feel there is a drop in water pressure or roughly 1 year. It is very ez to replace the cartridge, wont take you more than 30 sec. I will upload a video of it 2molo.

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Added on July 26, 2012, 9:28 pmTHe filter will be installed near your water meter. Hence, it will filter the water for your whole house.

3M AP902 does not require backwash but you need to replace the cartridge after 370,000litres or when u feel there is a drop in water pressure or roughly 1 year. It is very ez to replace the cartridge, wont take you more than 30 sec. I will upload a video of it 2molo.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 26 2012, 09:29 PM

Actually all filters are good as they can make your water cleaner However, you will need to choose what you need and suitable for your.

Here is a brief info based on my online research and asking a few plumbers.
1) Sand filter - Big & bulky but durable and low maintenance cost. However, there is a possibility that dirt or sand might go into your house.

2) Membrane filter - Smaller than sand but not as durable as sand. If u check the specifications, the filter could only take 3-4 bar of pressure while sand ard 7-8bar. Membrane filters have very good filtration of 0.01 micron but due to the small pore size, it will reduce your water pressure. Incoming pressure cant b more than 3-4 bar, after passing through your filter, it will b less than that.

3) 3M AP902 - Not sand or membrane. Using non-woven pleated media. The size is very compact (smaller than membrane). Better filtration compared to sand but not as good as membrane. Could withstand upto 8 bar of pressure and would not significantly reduce your incoming water pressure. However, maintenance cost is more exp than sand but close to membrane.

If you would like to know more, you can drop by my showroom and i will explain and may b recommend something which is suitable for you.

Here are my shop details
http://www.facebook.com/builders.hardware?sk=info

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 26 2012, 11:44 PM

3M has outdoor filter (AP902).

The regular outdoor membrans are called UF and they do not remove good minerals. I guessyou are refering RO-reverse osmosis (RO is another type of membrane)

Someone told me, if you wanna check whether your filter is doing a good job, try removing your tap's aerator and look at the inside.


This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 27 2012, 12:10 AM

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Added on July 27, 2012, 8:21 amOutdoor membrane water filters are usually UF (ultrafiltration) membrane and they wont remove good minerals.

The cons.
- Can only back flush (not backwash). Therefore, you will need chemical cleaning
- The membrane must be replaced ard 3 years.
- Significantly reduce your incoming water pressure
- If auto flushing gadget runs out of battery or spoil, it wont backflush and the membrane will break.

THe installer will drill two holes on the wall and install the filter inside as per this photo.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 27 2012, 08:22 AM


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We only use PCV (grey) pipe for installation. Already PM u the pricing.

Here is a video on how to change the cartridge for 3M AP902. It is so ez, you can do it with one hand



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 27 2012, 11:58 PM

I bliv you do not have tiles at the filter area. It would b better if u get your own contractor to drill the holes and patch it up before painting it back.

If my plumber were to install, he will drill the holes. Sometimes it will b a perfect circle and dont need to patch the hole. However, sometimes it is too difficult to drill and it might crack the sides, then he will patch it back with cement. You will need to paint it back later

Many forumers PM me asking about when do we replace the cartridge for 3M.

AP902 (outdoor) - Can filter upto 370,000 litres of water (averagely 1-1.5 year depending on usage and water quality)

APDWS1000 (indoor) - Recommended to change every year.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 30 2012, 02:05 PM

For 3M AP902, you will need to change the cartridge when there is a drop in water pressure.. When incoming water pressure drops, it means that the filter is getting clogged and it is time to change. The pore size of the media is 5 microns, anything bigger than that cant pass through, that is why it will get clogged overtime. When it is clogged, it shows that the filter is doing a good job in preventing dirt/sediments getting into your house.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 30 2012, 10:41 PM

PMed you d. Btw, for those who r looking for a good HOOD & HOB, we have 3M water filter package with FOTILE. Just drop by my shop for the package price.

Recently many ppl PM me asking, why AP902 is so small yet can filter 370,000 litres of water without backwash. 3M AP902 is using non-woven pleated media, bcoz it is pleated, the surface area to collect sediments and dirt is very big. Due to the big surface area, it could collect lots of dirt without backwash.

Many forumers would like to know what media 3M AP902 is using and how it looks like, after some research online and info from 3M, we manage to get a used cartridge and dissected it.

Here is the info :
3M AP902 is using a special type of membrane, different than the regular UF membrane water filters. This membrane used by 3M is more durable and can withstand minimum 8 Bar of water pressure, while normal UF membrane could only withstand 3-4 bar. From the photo below, you can see that the membrane is pleated, that is why it has a much bigger surface area (more than 10 times of the size of the filter) and could trap rust & sediments upto 370,000 litres of water without backwash.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 7 2012, 11:44 AM

If you are looking for something good yet affordable, 3M AP Easy Complete would be suitable. YOu do not have to worry about after sales service as we will follow up and assist you if you need to claim warranty and etc. 3M is a reputable company and we (Builders Hardware) is very reputable in lowyat forum for good price and service. With the 3M & Builders Hardware reputation, the certifications from NSF and healthy forumers who are still alive after using 3M (NIckLJF), what else can go wrong?

Since there are many questions from forumers and there are no available answers online, we took the effort to dissect and do our own research and summarize to save forumers time.

Here is a video of how big the surface area of 3M AP902. This video is only half of it's surface area as we cut the filter into half.

U can check the dealers online in 3M website or u can purchase from me. It is very ez to replace the cartridge, no need tools. Wont take more than 15 sec to replace the cartridge. The stock will only come in these few days, so i cant show u the video

you can actually push the lever up and it will hold there. Just let me know what u wanna c, i will take a video once the stock arrive.

I am more than happy to promote their brand and let more people know about them as they are always ready to supply me with the info and materials that i need to reply customers. Moreover, 3M water filter is really a great product

YOu can get 3M APDWS1000, just connect the cold water into the filter. It would be better to get an outdoor filter to provide clean water for your whole house and also to prolong the life of your tap fittings and indoor water filter. I would recommend you to get our 3M Promotion package APDWS1000 (indoor) + AP902 (outdoor)

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Added on August 19, 2012, 9:35 amTq Bro

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Added on August 23, 2012, 9:04 pmHere is the video as promised



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 23 2012, 09:04 PM

[quote=DonnyB,Aug 25 2012, 06:14 AM]
[quote=zheilwane,Aug 19 2012, 09:35 AM]
YOu can get 3M APDWS1000, just connect the cold water into the filter. It would be better to get an outdoor filter to provide clean water for your whole house and also to prolong the life of your tap fittings and indoor water filter. I would recommend you to get our 3M Promotion package APDWS1000 (indoor) + AP902 (outdoor)

Does this mean that only the cold water is drinkable? Is there any way to enable both hot and cold to be drinkable?

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YOu can only connect cold water to the filter, if u wan hot and cold, you need to get a water dispenser.

For drinking, i would strongly recommend u 3M APDWS1000. Will PM u the details We having promo for lots of items from now to 30 Aug

we discussed this before in some time ago. Checked alphamax website d, the model should b A0840 & A0845.

1) NSF 61 is mainly on components and not the performance of the filtration.


2) The salesperson might tell you that you do not need to change anything but you will need to change the sand and microz averagely 3 years once.
Alphamax is OEM by Perfect Steel. Since they are the same, i cant c why Perfect Steel requires changing of sand while Alphamax do not need to change
anything. Have a look at below, i highlighted the spec for both filters, they even use the same wordings.



3) Cant comment much on the indoor water filter (AMAX-08T) as they didnt post the spec online. However, i doubt they have any NSF certificates on their performance. The filter look cheap and ugly.

If you are looking for a good sand filter and indoor combination. I would recommend
Perfect Steel G2 series (similar to Alphamax A1040, better than A0840 & A0845) + 3M AP Easy Complete = RM 1750 only with our Merdeka Promotion.


3M AP Easy complete has NSF standard 42 and 53, these two standards show that it can filter odor, chlorine and bad contaminants.


However, for better filtration i would recommend 3M AP902 (POE filter) + 3M APDWS1000 (POD Filter)

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 26 2012, 11:27 PM

I used to think, Good sand filters like Perfect Steel & Alphamax have filtration upto 5 micron and 3M AP902 also 5 micron, so why bother getting 3M ?

Here is the answer.
Sand filter's 5 micron filtration is the lowest it can go but after sometime, it can go upto 15-20 micron. For example, you go to the beach, you poke your finger into the sand, may b your finger can go in by 1". Then, you pull your finger out and poke again, you will get in by 1.5". Similarly, when it is brand new, the dirt will get filtered by the sand but when u backwash and filter again it is similar to finger poking into the sand. That is why it wont maintain at 5 micron all the time.

3M AP902 on the other hand is using a special pleated membrane with pore size of 5 microns. Anything more than 5 micron cant go through and the pore size wont expand. So, you have consistent 5 micron clean filtration. FYI, 3M membrane is different from those UF stainless steel membrane filter.

Yes, AMAX-08T does not require any drilling but putting that big filter above your table top is ugly and wasting space isnt it? Wouldnt it b nicer to install it like this?