Actually there are many methods in bacteria filtration. 3m dws2500 uses 0.2 micron nylon membrane to filter bacteria. Amway epsring uses UV light. Aquaphor crystal eco uses two cartridges with silver and one cartridge with 0.1 micron membrane.

Just google search Silver Bacteria and you can find more information about it. Hospitals use silver for bandages and even some bed sheets also have silver.
I got to know this from a video shared on lowyat previously and that is how i found Aquaphor.

Watch "Dr Richard Wukich Slippery Rock University SRU Potters For Peace, Pots with Silver" https://youtu.be/_viaZH3puIQ

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 29 2015, 10:43 PM

First of all, both Solo and Eco has silver to filter bacteria. For direct drinking then definitely go for Crystal Eco. The upgrade from Solo K2 to K7 is cheap as we are just changing the cartridge (rm 600 after upgrading).

Doubtful with the effectiveness of silver?
Watch "Dr Richard Wukich Slippery Rock University SRU Potters For Peace, Pots with Silver" https://youtu.be/_viaZH3puIQ

Thanks for pointing it out, overlook to include the capacity info.
As per website Crystal solo capacity 4000L
K1-02 - Replacement filter for deep purification of drinking water. Reduces all common impurities including chlorine, lead, BACTERIA and solid particles sized down to 5μm

http://old.aquaphor.com/filters/crystal-solo.htm

For price comparison,
Ez 4 as per your lelong price is rm 399 does not include a filter tap and i believe do not have the convertor adaptor for under sink installation both will cost approximately rm 120 (average price) if you get a premium filter tap like Sorento gonna cost rm 200+.
Cost inclusive tap is rm 519. Replacement is rm 299 as per lelong.

Aquaphor crystal with K7 (0.7micron, with silver and aqualen) just a refresher Aqualen prevent chanelling effect, evenly distribute water flow to prevent dead zone, highly effecient in absorbing heavy metals and etc can read them in catalog. Cost rm 600 inclusive filter tap and brass under sink adaptor. Replacement rm 200.

From my experience any single cartridge filter with 1micron filtration or lesser like AP easy complete, Solo with K7 and Ez4 better get a prefilter if your water is too dirty and you do not have an outdoor filter (especially old condos).

Btw Jason if i missed out anything or anything else you need to know can just ask thanks.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 30 2015, 12:09 PM

I wouldnt recommend jus k1-07b alone. 0.1 micron with just single cartridge it is gonna get clogged very fast and the amount of carbon block with silver in the cartridge is very little as 50% to 60% of the cartridge is membrane. I have customers using 3M ap easy complete didnt install outdoor filter got clogged in 2 months. So, for direct drinking i would strongly recommend Crystal Eco. Sometimes spec doesnt explain everything, i have choosen Aquaphor based on my experience and customer feedback from using 3M. We understand that there are many people who are concern about bacteria in their drinking water and opt for amway espring which has uv light, 3m also develop dws2500 to cater for this need but reputable filters that can filter bacteria is just too expensive (espring rm 3000+ and 3m dws2500 rm 2300+). That is why we got Aquaphor Crystal Eco @ rm 1350 (after promo is rm 1500).

We are currently the Sole distributor for Aquaphor in Malaysia, that is why we are able to sell so cheap compared to singapore pricing. (Solo with k2 now rm 550 while singapore rm 800). The more tiers in selling a product, the more expensive it will become.

Btw, if with K7b will be more expensive than K7. For better performance with K7b then better must get Crystal Eco (with prefilter and also extra cartridges with carbon block and silver). If need more info just drop by my showroom and ask for zean.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 1 2015, 05:15 AM

Brand: Aquaphor
Model: Crystal Solo / Crystal Eco
Make: Europe mainly russia and some parts germany
Capacity: 4000L / 8000 L
Standard: LGA and TUV
Cost: rm 550 / rm 1350
Technology :
1) both models have Aqualen (read catalog for the benefits) and Silver to kill bacteria.

2) Crystal eco only has 0.1 micron membrane (made by mitsubishi japan)

3) CarbFibre block technology

Note : Culligan and 3M do not have the above, they are only using the regular carbon block.

It is not acurate to compare like this. Will be kinda lengthy for me to retype. Do read back my previous replies and the links. It is a little time consuming but getting the facts right will help you to make a better decision or drop by my showroom for more information and also try direct drinking the water after going through Aquaphor crystal eco, we have a unit installed in our shop.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 1 2015, 02:29 PM

Ask requested a table for comparison. Here you go, for detail comparison must go through the catalogs or drop by my showroom as there are too many information and it is impossible to type all into the table. There are just too many benefit of Aquaphor having Aqualen and Silver in their filters.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 3 2015, 11:33 PM

Haha they wont fit. Even if you have the new 3M DWS2500T wont be compatible with 3M DWS 1000, same brand but not compatible.

Aquaphor on the other hand has standardize cartridge design for Crystal Series and Morion. Previous old model Crystal Trio is using 0.8 micron but now they have come out with the new Crystal Eco with 0.1 micron Hollow Fibre Membrane, existing customers could upgrade their filter by changing the cartridge only. Isnt that GREAT !

Most brands will develop new models within 2 - 5 years but the cartridge design is different. Some even worse, they discontinue the old cartridge forcing you to change to a new system and spend more money. I believe most of you experience this before. So, this is another thing i like about Aquaphor, standardize cartridge design

Actually there are several threads on external water filter, just need to read them all and you will be able to decide
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1869488/all
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2340365/all

Just a brief summary:
Despite the many brands in the market there are only a few types of filter
1) Hollow Fibre Membrane 0.01 micron (Eg : LecHome, Nesh, Rubine, Hydro1)
2) Sand Filter 5 - 10 microns (Waterco,Backgree, Perfect Steel)
3) Cloth type membrane 5 - 10 microns (Diamond, 3M)

I do sell all these 3 types of filters but only recommend and display no2 and no3 in my shop, no1 not recommended.

Water Quality
Well, Hollow Fibre Membrane filter with 0.01 micron has definitely the best filtration over the other types but as we discussed earlier on drinking filters like Amway 0.2 micron, 3M 0.2 micron and Aquaphor 0.1 micron, dont you think 0.01micron is just too clean for an outdoor filter? it is even better than the drinking filters Outdoor filters main purpose is to filter off sediments and to prolong the life of your indoor filters and tap fittings.

Imagine our drinking filter pressure is weak, how would 0.01 micron affect your incoming water pressure? It will definitely reduce 1bar of pressure or more.

Other things to consider such as durability, maintenance, maintenance cost and etc you can get the info in the other threads, google on them or drop by my showroom, kinda lengthy to retype everything here.

Generally speaking for landed properties with high water usage i would suggest getting Perfect Steel, i tried 3M AP902 close to 2 years and recently replace it with perfect steel. Why? I have upto 6 people at home with high water usage (10" Sorento Shower head and a strong Grundfos water pump), 3M AP902 capacity is just not enough for us, that is why we opt for Perfect Steel with backwash system.

For condos with limited space and could not backwash, get 3M AP902

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 8 2015, 04:48 PM


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Outdoor use either Perfect Steel sand or fibre filter. They are sand filters, durable and low maintenance cost.

Done a check in lowyat, wow, there are many members selling Cosway Filter, seems like a good profit direct sales product However, most of them are either closed or not updated since 2012 or 2013.


Well Cosway have 3 cartridges but they are not the same as Aquaphor or 3M or Amway.
As we know Carbon Block (used in 3M and Amway, Aquaphor CarbFibre block) is the most efficient Chlorine filtration media and also to filter contaminants but look at this photo i found online, the carbon is so little, looks like granular carbon not even carbon block. To me, it seems that the filter emphasizes on alkaline more than the cleanliness or purity of the water. Tried to google, cant even find a proper specification in their website such as certification NSF or LGA or etc? Micron filtration? Specific media used.


If the media in the cartridge is too little, it might not be off any benefit. For Example, Orange contains Vitamin C and Vitamin C could lighten our skin. However, by consuming one orange alone could not make our skin lighter, the dosage of Vitamin C in orange (60-70mg) is just too little to have any effect as the dosage require is (1,000 – 3,000 mgs). That is why brands like Aquaphor, 3M and Amway emphasize on selected media (carbon block) rather than giving many different medias with very little quantity.

Source from :
http://www.whiterskin.info/how-taking-extr...-lightens-skin/

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 18 2015, 08:49 PM

Wow, seems scary. Too many different type of mineral stones inside, seems like not doing a good job as per your video.

Actually the promotion price is RM 3150 for DWS2500T + a set of replacement cartridge as per advertised above lowyat.

I think most people overlook the replacement cost for DWS2500T-CN @ RM 850. Initially i got one testing set for FREE and installed in my house happily. However after one year it is time to change the replacement, we finally feel the pain (replacement too expensive). That is why for most members who came to my shop before will know that i dont display DWS2500 and will not recommend customers to buy unless they are ready to pay the high maintenance cost, after explaining the details and they still decide to buy only i will order for them. Few months later after i used up the capacity, i will change to Aquaphor Crystal Eco, replacement is 50% cheaper even with 3 cartridges, initial cost is RM 1000 cheaper...

If you ask me Amway Espring and Aquaphor Crystal Eco would definitely be a better buy than DWS2500T, no doubt these 3 models are good but Amway and Aquaphor are more value for money.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 19 2015, 12:58 PM

Yes you can direct drink from the tap with crystal eco without boiling as it will remove harmful contaminants and bacteria.

No mineral loss as this is not RO filter. If you checked on the aquaphor video that i posted previously Aqualen inside is like a magnet and it will absorb heavy metals while Minerals like calsium and magnesium will not be absorbed.

Aquaphor is from Europe, hence they use European standards and certificates LGA and TUV. Only aquaphor Morion RO system is mainly targeted for USA market has NSF. While Aquaphor crystal eco is mainly for European market hence they use LGA.

It is costly for one brand to have two certifications LGA and NSF but with either one of these it is already good to prove that the filter is as good as it claims to be.

Aquaphor has more than 20 years history in manufacturing high tech water filtration system and it is not a regular OEM brand from china, just do a google search and you will know Aquaphor is among the top brands in water filtration in Russia and several european countries. Aquaphor is available in 35countries (now 36 including malaysia) and has over 70 patents. www.aquaphor.com

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 20 2015, 04:51 PM

I think u misunderstood my reply. AQUAPHOR crystal eco is mainly sold in european market and europeans do recognize LGA that is why they didnt bother to get NSF as it is expensive to get two certifications. While Dwm101 or Morion system is mainly sold in USA and USA customers only know NSF that is why Aquaphor send it in for NSF.

This is similar to accountants in malaysia will get either CPA or ACCA rather than both as companies in malaysia do recognize these two. It would be time consuming and expensive to have both. Some malaysian accountants do have MIA (malaysian institute of accountants) as well. However, if you are in Australia and wanna get a well paid job with only MIA most probably they wont hire you as they would prefer to hire someone with CPA

According to web,
1) kinetico is USA company, definitely they will go for NSF instead LGA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetico

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 21 2015, 10:05 PM