Hi, just created an add for this 3m Package in LYN. BTW, i already PM u my best price
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2372919

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Added on June 4, 2012, 11:29 amInstallation AP902 is optional but having it would b better bcoz
1) Ur water will b cleaner and the indoor filter & other tap fittings will last longer.
2) It is much cheaper since u r goin to bundle it with the indoor filter.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 4 2012, 11:29 AM

Why not consider 3M APDWS 1000? It is certified and tested by NSF. Currently we r having promo APDWS 1000 (indoor drinking filter) + AP902 (outdoor filter). Just drop by my showrrom for best price Will b uploading a special package price of 3M + FOTILE Hood & hob soon (more SAVING $$$)



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 22 2012, 09:04 PM

Here is how 3M filter looks like

YOu are referring to indoor or outdoor?

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Added on July 1, 2012, 10:55 pm3M has better filtration compared to sand filters like alphamax. Backwash could only remove large sediments and not cleaning the media inside 100%.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 5 2012, 08:17 AM

3M DWS 1000 deluxe drinking filter has been tested and verified by NSF. 3M is a well known brand and a big company, this filter is made in USA. Here is how good the filter is






This is their outdoor filter AP902, more compact and durable than membrane filters

Why 3M filter is more durable?
Membrane u will need to backwash daily. Most membrane filters come with a timer to auto backwash. Users seldom check on the filter, what if the timer is faulty and didnt auto backwash, the membrane inside will burst and all the dirt will gush into your water tank. 3M on the other hand, you do not need to bachwash for averagely one year.

With our current promotion package APDWS 1000 + AP902, the AP902 is almost like free. For our FOTILE customers, we have a special price for them as well, just drop by for best price. Here is one of our latest package.

Another comparison, membrane filters have flowrate ard 1500-2000 lph while 3M - AP 902 flowrate is ard 4000-4500 lph.

Many ppl could not install sand filter for condos as the size is too big. So, they only could install membrane filters. However, due to the small pores, it will reduce the incoming water pressure and also due to the regular backwash required, it is not really suitable for condo. 3M on the other hand is small, has a much better flow rate and with a capacity of 100,000gallons, you seldom need to replace the cartridge (Rated, averagely 1 year upto 1.5 years)

For indoor, get Aquaphor Crystal Eco

Here is a brief comparison, for more info and latest promo do drop by my showroom.




This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 11 2015, 01:05 AM

YOu can go for 3M AP DWS1000 currently having promotion. However, if u wan a cheaper and better alternative get Aquaphor Crystal Eco with Aqualen and Silver to kill bacteria.

Here is the online catalog or drop by our showroom for latest promo and more info
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4orAkJ_n8...pX2M/view?pli=1

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 11 2015, 01:07 AM

We are only based in KL (Kepong). FOr more info, pls join us in facebook
http://www.facebook.com/builders.hardware?sk=info

For those who are still not convinced how this small filter (3M - AP902)has a capacity of 100,000 gallons (378541 liters) just drop by my showroom, would b much ezier to explain and for u to understand about the product

We are promotion for 3M (AP 902 + AP-DWS1000) and also special price if purchase FOTILE Set

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 7 2012, 12:53 AM

WHen a product has NSF it doesnt mean it is GOOD. U must c which NSF standard that the product complies with. From the website that u give, it is stated that NESH complies with Standard 61 and 44.

NSF/ANSI Standard 44: Cation Exchange Water Softeners
Overview: This standard covers residential cation exchange water softeners designed to reduce hardness from public or private water supplies. Additionally, this standard can verify the system's ability to reduce radium and barium
http://www.nsf.org/business/drinking_water...t/standards.asp

NSF/ANSI Standard 61

NSF/ANSI Standard 61, also adopted on October 7, 1988, covers indirect additives products and materials, including process media, protective materials, joining and sealing materials, pipes and related products, mechanical devices, and mechanical plumbing devices (including faucets). In essence, every material from the well or water intakes through to the faucet are covered.
http://www.nsf.org/business/water_distribu...DistributionSys

These two standards do not reflect how good the product is. 3M APDWS1000 on the other hand complies with standard 42 and 53 which verified that this filter could reduce specific aesthetic or non-health-related contaminants (chlorine, taste and odor, and particulates) and also filter contaminants which are bad for our health. Therefore, it is safe to direct drink it.
http://www.nsf.org/business/drinking_water...t/standards.asp

Read through NESH, the most interesting component is the Ozone filter which could be used as a sterilizer. Based on the spec and performance, it should b safe to direct drink it. Just wondering why they didnt meet standard 42 and 53


NSF is important. There are many filters in the market that claims that they could do this and that, it could b false claims and it might be true, we as consumer cant tell. However, if the product is certified by NSF then it must b true. Do google on Diamond water filter, what they claim they could do in the past were false claims but customers trusted them and paid huge amount of money believing that DIAMOND could produce healthier water.

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Added on July 7, 2012, 11:51 pmI did a google search on Cation Exchange and here is what i got

Cation exchange: Cation exchange is a process similar to anion exchange, but the particles removed are positively charged (cations). Water softeners, which remove calcium, magnesium, and iron from water . . . .
http://www.advancedwaterfilters.com/faq.php?q_id=10

In the nesh website, NESH Qoozo has Calcium Ionized Clay which adds calcium into water but their filter complies with NSF standard 44 that means calcium is being removed, contradicting the purpose of the calcium ionized clay...

Another thing, Ozone is good at killing bacteria, virus and etc. It could also be used to purify food and sterilize kitchen ware but will it also destroy the good mineral like calsium, magnesium and etc in water? This i really cant find it online. Nd some sifu to share their views here

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 7 2012, 11:51 PM

aaronwee tq for ur explanation, the 3 buttons solved the mystery of calcium . Their website didnt explain much and didnt put in more facts like what they can filter in details.

o3 = 3 oxygen atoms. Used to kill germs and bacteria which is much better than chlorine. Cant really find much info on it, the disadvantages or any side effect to our health.

I have customers who bought similar products say that after drinking, their parents have back pain. So, changing the water structure might b good but might not b suitable for everyone.

If you need more info, just PM me, i will try my best to get it. 3M APDWS 1000 is a reliable filter as it has NSF to verify on their water quality (standard 42 & 53). Unlike some brands that focus on advertising without sufficient facts & lab test.










This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 8 2012, 09:56 PM

Just a reminder, i have a few customers who bought alphamax and according to them, the salesmen told them that their media does not require placement. FYI, this is not true as the media inside must be replaced averagely 3-4 years.

It is common for sand filter to have white bubble when it is new. To avoid this, backwash ur filter after installation or turn on ur sink tap for about 10 minutes

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Added on July 12, 2012, 12:09 amya the media for outfoor (the sand) mus b replaced averagely 3 years once. THe backwash could only wash away sediments but the dirt that is trapped between the media cant b cleaned. Eg: if ur table cloth is dirty, you cant just get it cleaned under running water, you need to scrub it and use soap or detergent to clean it. As it is impossible to clean the media/sand that way, you need to replace it.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 12 2012, 12:09 AM

It really take time and effort to study other brand water filters, lots of things to learn and i m still learning only. If you really want to convince that epsring is more worth buying than 3M, you will need to do more research and study, convince your customer with facts not price and persistent. It is amazing that there is lot to read about water filter, such as ozone, alkaline, UV light, hard water and etc, giving me headache trying to digest everything

From what i know, 3M is using 1 micron and 0.5 micron carbon block while espring is using UV light and 1 micron carbon block. So, 3M is better in terms of filtration and removing contaminants with the 0.5 micron carbon block but espring is better in killing bacteria bcoz of the UV light. However, as our water contains chlorine which is used to kill bacteria, there wont b much bacteria left for the UV light to kill. Moreover, NSF has already certified that 3M is safe to direct drink (standard 42 & 53). I don think the extra RM 1k-2K for the UV light is worthy. Moreover, there is additional cost for replacing the UV light. With our current promotion (3M Indoor + Outdoor filter) is less than RM 2.1k whereby Espring (indoor filter) alone is more than that price.

After comparing 3M with a few common brands, i came up with a few conclusions but will only share the info here once i get some1 knowledgeable to confirm as i do not want to post wrong info here. However, you guys can PM me and we can share our thoughts.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 13 2012, 10:08 PM

Just learn something new today, wanna share it with u guys. THere are many stainless steel sand filters in the market, some cheap and some exp. Cheaper ones are using stainless steel tank imported from china. The seller will say it is 304 grade stainless steel but it could b some part of it is 304 or it is not really 304.

For perfect steel brand, here is how to differentiate CHina or Malaysia 1. As u can see, the China tank on the left has rusted

Cant find much spec and info online. But from the name and photo, it seems to b a mini UV Light water disinfection. With this, i dont think it is safe to direct drink and they wont have NSF for this. Bcoz this thing only has UV light, that is why it is called water disinfection instead of water filter (guessing only )

UV light is only capable of killing microorganisms such as bacteria, viruses, molds, algae, yeast, and oocysts like cryptosporidium and giardia. UV light generally has no impact on chlorine, VOCs, heavy metals, and other chemical contaminants. Chlorine, VOC and etc can only be effectively filtered with carbon block which 3M APDWS 1000 and Espring are using.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 20 2012, 01:43 AM

weikee since u r using APDWS 1000, what do you think about the 0.4% difference? Is the filter able to provide good taste and clean water?

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Added on July 25, 2012, 1:35 am3M is value for money. Considering less than RM 2k u can get an outdoor filter that could provide clean water for showering, laundry and etc and also an indoor filter that could provide clean & healthy drinking water. Since many forumers are debating on epsing, for the price more than RM 2k, it can only provide good driking water but how about shower and laundry?

To compare on performance, espring has better disinfection due to UV light but 3M package (indoor + outdoor) has an advantage on providing clean water for your whole house at at a lower price. So, u decide, is it worthy to forgo a good outdoor water filter for a UV light?

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 25 2012, 01:35 AM

Both Espring and 3M APDWS1000 are tested and verified by NSF with standard 42 & 53 with norminal particulate class I. Both of these filters are good and proven to be safe to direct drink by NSF without affecting our health. If you think 0.4% makes a big difference, how bout comparing things like VOC, chlorine & Nominal Particulate Class I, ≥0.5 to < 1.0 μm reduction.



Extrated from
http://www.amway.com/en/ResourceCenterDocu...SFDataSheet.pdf

http://www.3mwater.com/media/catalog/produ...PDWS1000PDS.pdf


I would agree that espring has better disinfection system with the UV light. However, as what stevie said, our water contains chlorine and there is not much harmful bacteria left for the UV light to kill. If there are family members or friends who are too weak, you can just boil the water. If you are not comfortable with the small percentage of bacteria and has extra budget then ofcoz u can go for espring. Once again, 3M has been tested by NSF to be able to filter off harmful contaminants and it is safe to direct drink.

I wouldnt say 3M is the best water filter but just saying that their package could provide a wider range of filtration (providing clean water rated 5 micron for whole house and clean drinking water which is safe to direct drink). So, what is good for your family is for you guys to decide.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 25 2012, 06:45 PM