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QUOTE(b00n @ Jul 15 2008, 10:29 AM)
CCRIS is a system created by BNM.
Every financial institution is required to submit their customer's credit conduct to this centralised system. Telco is excluded but they are plans to include all those government loans, korperasi, IPTA loans etc...but all these while just talks and rumours.
What is meant by credit conduct is mainly split into 3 major categories:
Applications:
- How many applications is being applied for the past 1 year.
- How much "line" is being applied.
Thus banks or underwriters would know how "desperate" this person is seeking for credit facilities. And out of these apps, how many is approved and rejected.

Outstanding Status
- It would show how many credit facilities one had i.e. housing loans, credit cards, OD, hire purchase etc...
- Each line would show each facilities with it's outstanding, limits and payment behavior, legal status if any.
- Under the payment behavior string, 1 would meant miss 1 payment, 2 would meant miss 2 payment.
- If it's a card with outstanding close to limit granted might not give a good impression.
- If it's like Hybz mentioned, he's always late by 2 days...the payment string might shows all 1. But since it's a consistent pattern, there's nothing to worry about. But word of advise, phone the bank up and change the billing cycle.
- Legal status would shows what legal action had been taken.
This portion is mainly for officers to judge how good is your repayment, how much "burden" once has, etc...the main evaluation criteria lies in reviewing this section.

Special Attention Status
- This would show mainly accounts that had been written off.
- Or under AKPK management.
Meaning to say if one appears under this section, sorry to say that it really leaves a bad impression.

So it's advisable to visit BNM twice or at least once a year to view your own CCRIS report.
This is to detect whether someone had misused your identity to fraud for apps also.
http://creditbureau.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=7&pg=10&ac=12
CTOS is an independent company which collects all legal notices published.
So happy4ever is right that they are collecting from newspaper.
Note the word "published". So they either took it from newspaper or notice board outside the court.
They never approach "first hand" to credit companies like you mentioned!
CTOS is different from CCRIS as it only reports what was published. Even inclusive of normal civil suits which doesn't really involve financial institution.
That is why CTOS is still widely used besides CCRIS as CCRIS like I mentioned above only store reports from "financial institution". Whereas if one company or one person decided to sue you for defamation, or other legal matters and are being brought up to court, it would be captured under CTOS after the legal preceding is done and legal notice is issued. CCRIS would never capture those instances.
There's another company out there quite similar to CTOS, which is known as BRIS. Just that it's more focused on corporate side.
http://www.ctos.com.my/CTOSHOME/home.htm
http://bris.com.my/html/about.html
BTW, there's no such thing as black list.
Banks or financial institution based on all the above reports to make their judgment.
One can be listed in CTOS but if it's not related or the severity is not major, there would still be no problem.
CCRIS, however everyone with credit facilities would be listed. As long as the payment behavior is consistently good than there's no problem!
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I totally agree with the detailed explanation made by Boon above which are very indepth and correct perse.
To sum up, the CCRIS reports are made available by Bank Negara Malaysia to basically assist banks :-
(a) To assess a person's credit worthiness by highlighting how prompt are payments made and/or whether there are overdue payments and by how many months - 0,1,2,3 or beyond. It is a 12 months running report meaning a CCRIS report dated 18 July 2008 will show number of overdue payments from July 2007 to June 2008. Overdue payments in earlier period which have been subsequently rectified would not be shown anymore ;
(b) In highlighting the total current financial commitments of a person, ie quantum of housing loans, car hire purchases, personal loans, number of credit cards and limits of each ; and
© Whether the person is at the same time applying for similar type of loans from numerous banks at one go.

CTOS reports are to show whether any legal proceedings have been initiated against the person before and in cases where there is/are such cases and although payments in full have been made and the legal suits subsequently struck off, these facts are usually ignored by CTOS and the onus is on the person concerned to obtain release letters from the banks/financial institutions concerned.

The BRIS reports will show the number of and name of companies (Sdn Bhd entities) of which a person acts as its director and/or secretary. Similar to CTOS, subsequent resignations are usually not reflected in such reports. If a company which the persons acts as director cum shareholder has been liquidated by third party companies or persons, this fact would adversely affect the person's creditability in the eyes of banks/financial institutions.

In applying for a car hire purchase loan or housing loan, banks would normally scrutinise all 3 reports, namely CCRIS, CTOS and BRIS. smile.gif

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post Dec 3 2008, 10:08 AM


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Everybody will have their own CCRIS report no matter u have late payment or not . But those updated in the database is only for those/any "transactions/applications with fincancial institutors" , or it's said a "transaction history" database . But CCRIS can only be accessed by financial institutions . To get a better understanding , i suggest everyone goes to bank negara and do a self-check of CCRIS . it's FOC !




QUOTE(Hybz @ Jul 13 2008, 09:59 AM)
Do I have CCRIS if I late payment for loan for few days ??
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post Dec 5 2008, 11:14 AM


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If i pay every month at least min, does it mean i have good credit record ?
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QUOTE(Norns @ Dec 5 2008, 11:14 AM)
If i pay every month at least min, does it mean i have good credit record ?
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Technically yes, it would show in CCRIS that you paid; i.e. reflected in the payment history string.
However a point to note; most banks also evaluate the balance of one's credit balance against the credit limit granted.
If it's highly geared i.e. with high balance almost to the max of the line given, there are possibility that banks might also reject one's application for credit.

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post Dec 30 2008, 09:41 PM


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QUOTE(b00n @ Jul 15 2008, 10:29 AM)
Your information is misleading.

CCRIS is a system created by BNM.
Every financial institution is required to submit their customer's credit conduct to this centralised system. Telco is excluded but they are plans to include all those government loans, korperasi, IPTA loans etc...but all these while just talks and rumours.
What is meant by credit conduct is mainly split into 3 major categories:
Applications:
- How many applications is being applied for the past 1 year.
- How much "line" is being applied.
Thus banks or underwriters would know how "desperate" this person is seeking for credit facilities. And out of these apps, how many is approved and rejected.

Outstanding Status
- It would show how many credit facilities one had i.e. housing loans, credit cards, OD, hire purchase etc...
- Each line would show each facilities with it's outstanding, limits and payment behavior, legal status if any.
- Under the payment behavior string, 1 would meant miss 1 payment, 2 would meant miss 2 payment.
- If it's a card with outstanding close to limit granted might not give a good impression.
- If it's like Hybz mentioned, he's always late by 2 days...the payment string might shows all 1. But since it's a consistent pattern, there's nothing to worry about. But word of advise, phone the bank up and change the billing cycle.
- Legal status would shows what legal action had been taken.
This portion is mainly for officers to judge how good is your repayment, how much "burden" once has, etc...the main evaluation criteria lies in reviewing this section.

Special Attention Status
- This would show mainly accounts that had been written off.
- Or under AKPK management.
Meaning to say if one appears under this section, sorry to say that it really leaves a bad impression.

So it's advisable to visit BNM twice or at least once a year to view your own CCRIS report.
This is to detect whether someone had misused your identity to fraud for apps also.
http://creditbureau.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=7&pg=10&ac=12
CTOS is an independent company which collects all legal notices published.
So happy4ever is right that they are collecting from newspaper.
Note the word "published". So they either took it from newspaper or notice board outside the court.
They never approach "first hand" to credit companies like you mentioned!
CTOS is different from CCRIS as it only reports what was published. Even inclusive of normal civil suits which doesn't really involve financial institution.
That is why CTOS is still widely used besides CCRIS as CCRIS like I mentioned above only store reports from "financial institution". Whereas if one company or one person decided to sue you for defamation, or other legal matters and are being brought up to court, it would be captured under CTOS after the legal preceding is done and legal notice is issued. CCRIS would never capture those instances.
There's another company out there quite similar to CTOS, which is known as BRIS. Just that it's more focused on corporate side.
http://www.ctos.com.my/CTOSHOME/home.htm
http://bris.com.my/html/about.html
BTW, there's no such thing as black list.
Banks or financial institution based on all the above reports to make their judgment.
One can be listed in CTOS but if it's not related or the severity is not major, there would still be no problem.
CCRIS, however everyone with credit facilities would be listed. As long as the payment behavior is consistently good than there's no problem!
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just to add in,the application for credit columns only show application which is pending or approved,it wont show application that is rejected
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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 5 2008, 12:23 PM)
Technically yes, it would show in CCRIS that you paid; i.e. reflected in the payment history string.
However a point to note; most banks also evaluate the balance of one's credit balance against the credit limit granted.
If it's highly geared i.e. with high balance almost to the max of the line given, there are possibility that banks might also reject one's application for credit.
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boon, how about the retail for 12 months free installment?

because it does not even show in credit limit, but every month will debited into the statement.

in the same time, how about the Hire Purchase Loan?

i mean, let say the Due Date is on 17th , what is the grace period to pay? 1 week? or?
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Dec 31 2008, 09:01 AM)
boon, how about the retail for 12 months free installment?

because it does not even show in credit limit, but every month will debited into the statement.

in the same time, how about the Hire Purchase Loan?

i mean, let say the Due Date is on 17th , what is the grace period to pay? 1 week? or?
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u have to pay on or b4 the due date,thats for sure,no grace period unless the due date has been extended by agreement between u and the financial institution

for safety,do pay your outstanding or minimum payment(agree by both party) on or b4 due date.then it should be show up 0 on your credit report.


above statement may be vary depend on the financial institution on their own credit rating,do check with the respective financial institution

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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Dec 31 2008, 12:07 PM)
u have to pay on or b4 the due date,thats for sure,no grace period unless the due date has been extended by agreement between u and the financial institution

for safety,do pay your outstanding or minimum payment(agree by both party) on or b4 due date.then it should be show up 0 on your credit report.
above statement may be vary depend on the financial institution on their own credit rating,do check with the respective financial institution
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oic.. 1 make 2 payment every month..

let say de due is on 17.. i make payment on 11 and 28

how does the credit rating show?

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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:17 PM)
oic.. 1 make 2 payment every month..

let say de due is on 17.. i make payment on 11 and 28

how does the credit rating show?
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as long the amount u pay on 11 is at least the minimum payment then should be fine

if u dint pay at least minimum payment on 11,even u pay the balance on 28,it will still consider late payment and is bad for your rating
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for credit card make sure you don't pay late by up to 3 months, your card will be suspend under legal, after that it is very hard to reverse the status. if you default payment longer, some banks even freeze your savings, FD, current accounts, unable to withdraw. if ur having problems with your debt sort the help of akpk for credit cards. for loans, nego with the bank to lower the interest rate.


Added on January 3, 2009, 4:41 pmfor CC, it is okay to pay late about a month, but higher interest of Finance charge and Late charge will eat you up in the long run, so it is not a wise choice. plus if you pay late by a month the latest statement will add up ur min payment amount and full amount under past due, so u'll hav to pay more. just make sure you guys oay on time, if your dude date is before your pay day, call up the customer service to change your due date to 2,3 days after your pay day.

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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:40 PM)
as long the amount u pay on 11 is at least the minimum payment then should be fine

if u dint pay at least minimum payment on 11,even u pay the balance on 28,it will still consider late payment and is bad for your rating
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Let's say you just got the facilities today.
Next month 27th is the first time for you to serve the payment, but your salary are only credited on 28th.
Thus u only pay on 28th and repeat the same thing every month.

Your CCRIS will show that you are late for every month, but this is actually fine. Although you are late, but you are actually constantly serving the payment.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jan 3 2009, 05:38 PM)
for credit card make sure you don't pay late by up to 3 months, your card will be suspend under legal, after that it is very hard to reverse the status. if you default payment longer, some banks even freeze your savings, FD, current accounts, unable to withdraw. if ur having problems with your debt sort the help of akpk for credit cards. for loans, nego with the bank to lower the interest rate.


Added on January 3, 2009, 4:41 pmfor CC, it is okay to pay late about a month, but higher interest of Finance charge and Late charge will eat you up in the long run, so it is not a wise choice. plus if you pay late by a month the latest statement will add up ur min payment amount and full amount under past due, so u'll hav to pay more. just make sure you guys oay on time, if your dude date is before your pay day, call up the customer service to change your due date to 2,3 days after your pay day.
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Let's say you just got the facilities today.
Next month 27th is the first time for you to serve the payment, but your salary are only credited on 28th.
Thus u only pay on 28th and repeat the same thing every month.

Your CCRIS will show that you are late for every month, but this is actually fine. Although you are late, but you are actually constantly serving the payment.
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what u all mention is about Credit card, right?

but i pay CC no problem.. only car loan, the hire purchase..

because i pay before due date and after due date.. 1 months i pay 2 times..

i wonder how my credit rating show?


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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 3 2009, 05:17 PM)
what u all mention is about Credit card, right?

but i pay CC no problem.. only car loan, the hire purchase..

because i pay before due date and after due date.. 1 months i pay 2 times..

i wonder how my credit rating show?
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It would show that you pay on time. Which in the payment history string it shows:
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

If the instances is like what ed0gawa specified than it would show:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1


Where "0" meant no lag in payment and 1 shows 1 payment late.


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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 3 2009, 05:17 PM)
what u all mention is about Credit card, right?

but i pay CC no problem.. only car loan, the hire purchase..

because i pay before due date and after due date.. 1 months i pay 2 times..

i wonder how my credit rating show?
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then i would suggest u to pay a visit to bank negara and get your ccris report and get assistant from the officer at there

QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Jan 3 2009, 04:48 PM)
Let's say you just got the facilities today.
Next month 27th is the first time for you to serve the payment, but your salary are only credited on 28th.
Thus u only pay on 28th and repeat the same thing every month.

Your CCRIS will show that you are late for every month, but this is actually fine. Although you are late, but you are actually constantly serving the payment.
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if in this situation,your credit report will be in big trouble.

another thing u all have to pay attention,even your current balance only rm0.01,u still have to pay it b4 due date

can some1 clarify it?

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It would show that you pay on time. Which in the payment history string it shows:
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

If the instances is like what ed0gawa specified than it would show:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Where "0" meant no lag in payment and 1 shows 1 payment late.
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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jan 3 2009, 05:25 PM)
then i would suggest u to pay a visit to bank negara and get your ccris report and get assistant from the officer at there
if in this situation,your credit report will be in big trouble.

another thing u all have to pay attention,even your current balance only rm0.01,u still have to pay it b4 due date

can some1 clarify it?
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Sorry for the unclear 'scenario'

b00n actually helped to post a sample of how the CCRIS would look like on what i said.

If it is a constant '1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1' kind of CCRIS report, it is nothing to worry about.
Bank won't just reject your loan for that.

There might be another reason why some people will have '1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1' (constant late for 1 payment), THE BLOODY BANK.
Let's say you are suppose to start your payment this month, but no one from bank notifies you, no letter until the very next month?
Some will just start to pay after they receive notification, which already resulted in 1 late payment and they didn't know that they are actually late.

Having a record of
'1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1'
'0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0'
'0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0'

These are still considered 'good/prompt' record. It wont bring you BIG TROUBLE. Unless there are certain bank in M'sia that is so freaking strict that consider above example as bad record

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Actually what ed0gawa pointed out is quite true... the devastating payment history that would leave a bad impression is for eg:

4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0


Where "4" meant missed 4 payments and in this case is the latest month's reflection. Thus seeing this meant that this fellow had missing payments since 4 months ago and never repay.

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any1 knows how i can check my credit status? in the states, we can check by using those agencies' website.. but how about msia?
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any1 knows how i can check my credit status? in the states, we can check by using those agencies' website.. but how about msia?
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just visit to bank negara and pass the ic to the officer,scan your thumb print,done.
after that if u dint understand the report,just ask from officer which is free there
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Say legal action has been taken by Company A on the owner of Company B. If the debt is paid off and the legal action is canceled, is it possible to remove his name from CTOS and BRIS?
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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Mar 8 2009, 11:53 PM)
Say legal action has been taken by Company A on the owner of Company B. If the debt is paid off and the legal action is canceled, is it possible to remove his name from CTOS and BRIS?
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Yes. Need to submit proofs though.

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