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 CCRIS, CTOS, Blacklisted by Bank, Whats The different.

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post Jul 15 2008, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(LittleBro @ Jul 13 2008, 04:07 AM)
Credit rating agencies to help bank to evaluate their client.

CCRIS (Central Credit Reference Information System) - defaulted payment for a few months(lawyer letters or some kind of red letters), that includes telephone bill. You can get loan from some bank. Major banks will ask you to settle the outstanding amount before approving your application.

CTOS (Credit Tip Off Service Sdn. Bhd) - You are totally blacklisted, presumably you are near bankrupt. Unlikely bank will approve your loan application but it is still possible.
You can get CCRIS and CTOS by just becoming guarantor for someone else. Nothing to worry about since it is just an evaluation of your credit health.
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QUOTE(LittleBro @ Jul 15 2008, 12:46 AM)
80% of the adults are under their monitor. Doesn't care whether you are good or bad. CTOS don't they get their information from newspapers(why would banks pay CTOS when they can easily do that by reading the newspapers). They get their information first hand, credit card companies for example.

Relax... Having CTOS, no problem. House with your name, loan under any usable family members name.

http://www.ctos.com.my/
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Your information is misleading.

CCRIS is a system created by BNM.
Every financial institution is required to submit their customer's credit conduct to this centralised system. Telco is excluded but they are plans to include all those government loans, korperasi, IPTA loans etc...but all these while just talks and rumours.
What is meant by credit conduct is mainly split into 3 major categories:
Applications:
- How many applications is being applied for the past 1 year.
- How much "line" is being applied.
Thus banks or underwriters would know how "desperate" this person is seeking for credit facilities. And out of these apps, how many is approved and rejected.

Outstanding Status
- It would show how many credit facilities one had i.e. housing loans, credit cards, OD, hire purchase etc...
- Each line would show each facilities with it's outstanding, limits and payment behavior, legal status if any.
- Under the payment behavior string, 1 would meant miss 1 payment, 2 would meant miss 2 payment.
- If it's a card with outstanding close to limit granted might not give a good impression.
- If it's like Hybz mentioned, he's always late by 2 days...the payment string might shows all 1. But since it's a consistent pattern, there's nothing to worry about. But word of advise, phone the bank up and change the billing cycle.
- Legal status would shows what legal action had been taken.
This portion is mainly for officers to judge how good is your repayment, how much "burden" once has, etc...the main evaluation criteria lies in reviewing this section.

Special Attention Status
- This would show mainly accounts that had been written off.
- Or under AKPK management.
Meaning to say if one appears under this section, sorry to say that it really leaves a bad impression.

So it's advisable to visit BNM twice or at least once a year to view your own CCRIS report.
This is to detect whether someone had misused your identity to fraud for apps also.
http://creditbureau.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=7&pg=10&ac=12



CTOS is an independent company which collects all legal notices published.
So happy4ever is right that they are collecting from newspaper.
Note the word "published". So they either took it from newspaper or notice board outside the court.
They never approach "first hand" to credit companies like you mentioned!
CTOS is different from CCRIS as it only reports what was published. Even inclusive of normal civil suits which doesn't really involve financial institution.
That is why CTOS is still widely used besides CCRIS as CCRIS like I mentioned above only store reports from "financial institution". Whereas if one company or one person decided to sue you for defamation, or other legal matters and are being brought up to court, it would be captured under CTOS after the legal preceding is done and legal notice is issued. CCRIS would never capture those instances.
There's another company out there quite similar to CTOS, which is known as BRIS. Just that it's more focused on corporate side.
http://www.ctos.com.my/CTOSHOME/home.htm
http://bris.com.my/html/about.html


BTW, there's no such thing as black list.
Banks or financial institution based on all the above reports to make their judgment.
One can be listed in CTOS but if it's not related or the severity is not major, there would still be no problem.
CCRIS, however everyone with credit facilities would be listed. As long as the payment behavior is consistently good than there's no problem!
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post Dec 5 2008, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Norns @ Dec 5 2008, 11:14 AM)
If i pay every month at least min, does it mean i have good credit record ?
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Technically yes, it would show in CCRIS that you paid; i.e. reflected in the payment history string.
However a point to note; most banks also evaluate the balance of one's credit balance against the credit limit granted.
If it's highly geared i.e. with high balance almost to the max of the line given, there are possibility that banks might also reject one's application for credit.

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post Jan 3 2009, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 3 2009, 05:17 PM)
what u all mention is about Credit card, right?

but i pay CC no problem.. only car loan, the hire purchase..

because i pay before due date and after due date.. 1 months i pay 2 times..

i wonder how my credit rating show?
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It would show that you pay on time. Which in the payment history string it shows:
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

If the instances is like what ed0gawa specified than it would show:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1


Where "0" meant no lag in payment and 1 shows 1 payment late.


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post Jan 4 2009, 12:42 PM

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Actually what ed0gawa pointed out is quite true... the devastating payment history that would leave a bad impression is for eg:

4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0


Where "4" meant missed 4 payments and in this case is the latest month's reflection. Thus seeing this meant that this fellow had missing payments since 4 months ago and never repay.

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post Mar 9 2009, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Mar 8 2009, 11:53 PM)
Say legal action has been taken by Company A on the owner of Company B. If the debt is paid off and the legal action is canceled, is it possible to remove his name from CTOS and BRIS?
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Yes. Need to submit proofs though.

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post Mar 9 2009, 12:15 AM

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Not sure how CTOS would treat it. You can phone up CTOS and ask.
http://www.ctos.com.my/CTOSHOME/home.htm
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post Mar 13 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Mar 13 2009, 02:19 PM)
lets say ccris report reported that my payment history problem with late payment for housing loan and i make full settlement for the housing loan now. So, how am i going to increase my credit rate in ccris after full settle the loan and what should i do to remove the black list payment?
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Once you made full payment to your loan, your loan account would be "closed". Thus it wouldn't be reported into CCRIS.

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post Mar 13 2009, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Mar 9 2009, 12:57 AM)
This is part of the PM between me and merce
Does it takes that long? Any way to get it done quicker?  sad.gif


Added on March 10, 2009, 10:07 pmWent to CTOS's office this morning. The action date and hearing date of the legal action was both in 2006. However, my mom has already quit the company in 2004. How on earth can they sue someone that is no longer part of the company? Can it be a mistake?
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So what did the personnel in CTOS advised you?

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post Mar 13 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Mar 13 2009, 02:37 PM)
tx for your kind advice.. ya, it suppose to be but my case ald closed for quite some yrs ago yet still appearing in the ccris and ctos... have no idea how they work on it.
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Yeah, as explained by Phoeni_142. However for CTOS; think you need to personally go down to their company or you can call them and fax over your "redemption/settlement letter". Good luck!

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post Mar 31 2009, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(Goneraz @ Mar 31 2009, 04:42 PM)
ok guys... about 3-4 yrs ago i moved to sg and left my credit card in the hands of my love ones. Naturally they went on a shopping spree and somehow manage to max out all 3 of my credit cards. So when i return from Sg 2yrs later i tried to apply for a car loan and was rejected. After a little investigative work on my side i i foudn out that i have been black listed. I have since cleared all my credit card outstanding. Recently i applied for a housing loan but was reected. I check with Bank Negara and they have mention that my record have been cleared. So now i am really really buffled. How am i gonna ever get a loan now?
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It could be because of CTOS.
You would need to bring the CCRIS report which you've obtained from BNM to CTOS and ask them to take off your record.

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post May 26 2009, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(TOTOH @ May 26 2009, 06:55 PM)
I have checked with Bank CTOS record, my relative was blacklisted by HLBB due to no making payment of Credit card many years. As i know he is still owing Citibank's money for few thousands. Why there is no record in CTOS showing CItibank's debt?
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If CITI never issued a letter of demand towards him than it's not listed.
CTOS is just compiling all these legal notice published.

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post Oct 28 2009, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Oct 27 2009, 10:02 PM)
sorry what does the 3 means? what happen if i am fewdays late for my housing loan? it will show 1 instead of 0? jst curios.
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3 meant you missed 3 payments. It's quite easy to understand. Pay a visit to BNM one of these days to extract your CCRIS report and they would explain in detail to you.

If you missed a few days, also it would be shown as 1 i.e. missed one payment.

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post Oct 28 2009, 11:36 AM

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As far I can recall, no need or maybe a nominal fee of RM2.
Pls visit this website: http://creditbureau.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=5&pg=7&ac=10 for more country.
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post Nov 12 2009, 11:13 PM

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@Awakened_Angel,

Yes, CTOS and BRIS is opened to all who pays (as the information is already all public published items). But not CCRIS.
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post Nov 13 2009, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(meejawa @ Nov 13 2009, 11:32 AM)
CCRIS also is available to banks who pay. But they won't be able to see details such as which bank you got the loan from. They can still see the payment monthly, payment records and total commitment. How do you think they get your total commitment record for loan purpose?
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Yes, but it's a non-disclosure intact with the BAFIA act.

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QUOTE(theblues @ Dec 24 2009, 04:59 PM)
Hi, what about default on management fees/maintenance fee?
I have a property in bkt beruntung (just sold recently) overdue for >10 years about RM4k+ whitout pay a single cent (new buyer consent to settle it). On and off i received legal letter about this. Will this affect my CCRIS or CTOS report?
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If you receive legal letter, most probably in CTOS.

Generally only finance companies reports to BNM CCRIS. But I think they have further plans to include utility bills and all, something like the credit bureau in the States.

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post Dec 29 2009, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Dec 28 2009, 06:15 PM)
I m very shock when I know one of canceled credit card under special attention column. I get to know the outstanding balance is 500++ from site bank and need to call to HQ back-end officer to understand whole situation. I had been calling a few time and the officer divert to a few officer. This local bank service really suck!!! I really frustrated to settle this issue, I have to do it else my car loan is pending for approval.
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You can complain to BNM. I'm guessing it's a card send to you or previously applied and you've requested to cancel but yet it's not done. So annual fees kicks in... blah blah blah that causes the "write off" aka special attention column.

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post Feb 4 2010, 01:57 PM

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No, as when bank evaluates your credit conduct; you would have failed.
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post Feb 8 2010, 11:31 PM

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Yours is known as a written off account. Anyway, the current situation is after you've fully settled the debt, most bank would drop your record after 6 months.

However on CTOS, you'll need to go to CTOS yourself to check and after you've fully settled; get the settlement letter to ask CTOS to update your record.
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It is because of different underwriting criteria from bank to bank.
Also, there's a big difference between what is known as secured loan (properties, hire purchase) vs unsecured loan (personal loan, credit card).

Housing loan you are able to secured because they have the property in hand. Personal loan, considering your pass records, they might think twice. So it's different bank different underwriting policies.

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