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post Jul 5 2008, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(ss88 @ Jul 5 2008, 06:39 PM)
ok...i  would like to correct in here bout the sin...
i said it's the owner's sin..the more hamster die, the more the owner sin...right???
meaning here...i refer to original owner laaa,the one who breed them at first place..not new owner...read it using brain....not using heart...ikut hati mati...am i that stupid saying if the hamster dead,its the new owner sin,new owner dun noe anything bout wut happen to the hammy b4 he/she buy...i am educated,not the one who dun noe anything...FYI,b4 i wrote that statements,i carefullly stating my words,i edit n edit many times,make sure u all dun read it wrongly if use brain to read properly,cuz i knoe all of u will flamed the statement,cuz u all hate the statement that "syrian can live in group"...
so i also think that statement will be flamed...my expectation is true...huhu...

thats y i said read use brain...n i also know that terrysoh explanation and method is wrong...

close la this topic...since it not bring any peace in here...i jz said it again and again..i'm jz sharing my info bout being able to see other people syrian can stay 2gether...n i say that the owner is lucky..not saying mine..as i state clearly..mine i kept alone<coz i follow u all clever people instruction in this thread,saying that syrian solitary,which good bedding,which good food,which good wheel,what to feed,whats not,should breed or should not,use cage or tank>......n i not try to win terrysoh...is that WRONG???

so...dun flame my word without reading it by brain..huhuh...u think i like to be flamed????i'm jz sharing story there...berniat baik..ended up..damn...
so??peace in here???
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Do you know why people are flaming you... Sigh...

We know you are just sharing experience. But if you share the experience inside that person's sales thread, the people who read it might come to think that terrysoh is saying correct thing. Cuz got one person also say that got case where syrians can live together (that is you).

So if Terrysoh is doing the wrong thing by saying many hamster's can live together in one place, you're also not helping when you say that you've seen got other people also keep like that but nothing happened to them. Your experience indicates that it is alright to keep them all together, so people who dunno will buy a few syrians and keep them together when they read your experience. Not to mention they may tell other people it's ok to do that then got more hamster will suffer.

blush.gif People here just don want new owners of hamsters to have this kind of wrong information and feel sad when their hamster start killing each other.

blush.gif And it would help if you remove your experience from that garage sales thread ok?
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post Jul 5 2008, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(ss88 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:53 PM)
thanx for the advice....i've edited wut i say in those thread...hope it will shut off those nonsence flame...
advice like this will help...not by flaming me,will not work...huhu... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Im sorry because flamming you in the garage sale thread there.Im really angry with this kind of breeder giving nonsense information about hamster eventhough there is already a prove that has been made way years ago about how solitary is the Syrian.
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QUOTE(ss88 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:53 PM)
thanx for the advice....i've edited wut i say in those thread...hope it will shut off those nonsence flame...
advice like this will help...not by flaming me,will not work...huhu... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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sweat.gif I think you better just remove your whole experience. You edited it but the experience still there for many people to read. People will get the wrong idea when they read your experience so just remove the whole thing lar.

Then in your post just put "-deleted-" or seomthing. don need say anything else.
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post Jul 5 2008, 08:09 PM

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i buy new hamster to day rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
winter white..
1 pearl n 1 agouti...
i use my old cage.... n look damn old...
i guess wanna buy fishtank
better i make hole to connect my old cage to fishtank or buy some connection
n the hammy will climb...

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QUOTE(akecema @ Jul 5 2008, 08:09 PM)
i buy new hamster to day  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
winter white..
1 pearl n 1 agouti...
i use my old cage.... n look damn old...
i guess wanna buy fishtank
better i make hole to connect my old cage to fishtank or buy some connection
n the hammy will climb...
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post Jul 5 2008, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(YiaNBoY @ Jul 5 2008, 11:50 AM)
no more peace here lo.....
b4 i talk abt hamster..

1. if u saw o knw a husband n wife fight...
wat u do?
they fight in their own house..
is their business rite?
da most we can do is advice rite?
if they dun wan 2 listen we also cant do much rite?
cox is nt our husband o wife...
2. if da oth way round..
u r 1 of the husband o wife..
happen 2 be fighting over something bt none wan report police..
ppl come advice u 2...
bt u choose nt 2 listen...
then when u go out wif ur fren..
will u tell ur own shame story 2 ur fren?
or maybe strangers?

3. same goes 2 hamster..
if the hamster is unlucky enuf 2 get such owner,
then wat can u do?
same like above...
most can do is advice..
ya.. some ppl mught nt knw they cant do tat
if dun wan listen then enuf..
u had done ur part..
is NOT ur pet o property..

4. if happens tat u think u can keep 2 syrian hamster 2gether n choose 2 do so,
quite similar like point no 2...
if u choose 2 fight wif ur husband o wife,
not need go 2 tell oth ppl tat u can do it..
nth 2 be proud of it...

no offence 2 any1 bt hope 2 c peace here...
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1 question, does hamster have akal? Can they think like us?
NO.

Animals are animals.
They must live alone. ALONE. Btw, husband and wife is married. Does hamsters married? Do we need to make a very special day and occasion for them? Nop. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 5 2008, 09:14 PM

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hey all after reading the post about their solitary instinct, i have got another cage for my WW, after a few nites of them making noises, i think it would be better....besides really scared that they will fight to death.
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QUOTE(ss88 @ Jul 5 2008, 06:39 PM)
ok...i  would like to correct in here bout the sin...
i said it's the owner's sin..the more hamster die, the more the owner sin...right???
meaning here...i refer to original owner laaa,the one who breed them at first place..not new owner...read it using brain....not using heart...ikut hati mati...am i that stupid saying if the hamster dead,its the new owner sin,new owner dun noe anything bout wut happen to the hammy b4 he/she buy...i am educated,not the one who dun noe anything...FYI,b4 i wrote that statements,i carefullly stating my words,i edit n edit many times,make sure u all dun read it wrongly if use brain to read properly,cuz i knoe all of u will flamed the statement,cuz u all hate the statement that "syrian can live in group"...
so i also think that statement will be flamed...my expectation is true...huhu...

thats y i said read use brain...n i also know that terrysoh explanation and method is wrong...

close la this topic...since it not bring any peace in here...i jz said it again and again..i'm jz sharing my info bout being able to see other people syrian can stay 2gether...n i say that the owner is lucky..not saying mine..as i state clearly..mine i kept alone<coz i follow u all clever people instruction in this thread,saying that syrian solitary,which good bedding,which good food,which good wheel,what to feed,whats not,should breed or should not,use cage or tank>......n i not try to win terrysoh...is that WRONG???

so...dun flame my word without reading it by brain..huhuh...u think i like to be flamed????i'm jz sharing story there...berniat baik..ended up..damn...
so??peace in here???
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I've worked my brain to hardest to understand what you meant in your statements but your english is way too high level for me to understand. God like level even. I'm just a simpleton at the bottom with my simple english.

If you have been really really really cautious in selecting the words for your statement, you wouldn't have gotten flamed in the first place. Also you expected to get flamed. You ask me to use my brain to read carefully and not get flamed anymore?

Also it is not the words that you've used in your statements that got you into this line of fire but the informations that you are passing to other are wrong. This will cause people especially the newbies to do the wrong thing according to the information given by you. That is what your statements portrayed themselves not only to me but others also.

Also you edited the message in the garage sales saying not to take you seriously because the experts say so and you gotten flamed for it. What are you trying to say there? You want simpathy or something for others because you got flamed due to the wrong information you gave? You could have just deleted the whole reply and this would have stopped there and then. Maybe you want to make people think that you are the victim who get flamed because you have said something 'correct' with the big and bold statement. icon_rolleyes.gif So, maybe you can stop trying to make 'peace' with your limited knowledge and extraordinary experiences where it's totally the opposite to avoid getting flames.
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QUOTE(wintzen @ Jul 5 2008, 09:14 PM)
hey all after reading the post about their solitary instinct, i have got another cage for my WW, after a few nites of them making noises, i think it would be better....besides really scared that they will fight to death.
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Thats a good things. Yes, separate them. For a longer healthier happier life.
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@ mr.ss88

C'mon, don't try to turn your statement upside down here, what you said is already done and you can't change any of it. wink.gif

Muka so tebal meh ? Just admit lah...

It's scientifically & practically proven that they can't live in group, even they live in group, they will get stressed, you don't know if they are stressed with your very own eyes, their heart rate increase when they are stressed, it's the same when they are not used to being handled by us, their heart rate increase when we scoop them up with our hand (hammie which is not tame)

But sometimes, "one in a million" this phrase is true, same with the video of a Japanese's snake who can live with a hamster (WW) at YOUTUBE.
You don't tell others you're so damn lucky to have a bunch of Syrian that are sociable right ? So wake up my friend.

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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Jul 5 2008, 09:36 PM)
@ mr.ss88

C'mon, don't try to turn your statement upside down here, what you said is already done and you can't change any of it. wink.gif

Muka so tebal meh ? Just admit lah...

It's scientifically & practically proven that they can't live in group, even they live in group, they will get stressed, you don't know if they are stressed with your very own eyes, their heart rate increase when they are stressed, it's the same when they are not used to being handled by us, their heart rate increase when we scoop them up with our hand (hammie which is not tame)

But sometimes, "one in a million" this phrase is true, same with the video of a Japanese's snake who can live with a hamster (WW) at YOUTUBE.
You don't tell others you're so damn lucky to have a bunch of Syrian that are sociable right ? So wake up my friend.
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Damn! I really like this reply from Underground. Spot on!

Underground - I think ss88 is a Ms not Mr la laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(irkuysm @ Jul 5 2008, 08:16 AM)
I just done a quick move by apply a listerine in her ear(the wound actually in her ear).Im scared because when i try to touch its ear,she gonna scream like mad!Must be hurt of it.

I read in other forum said apply listerine 2 times per day can prevent from mites....
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If it is a wound, you shouldn't apple listerine lah. Never apply any minty medicine on a wound, it hurts like hell! No wonder she scream..... you really hurt her loh.

If it is bleeding, just take a cotton bud dipped in warm water and clean. Then take iodine as an antiseptic. Never listerine.

Wound is not caused by mites. Mites don't bite till got blood.

QUOTE(blurjoey @ Jul 5 2008, 09:43 AM)
Mod - If this reply deemed unfit. You can warn me, ban me, etc. But this stupid reply really takes the cake. mad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif

The bold part is so damn funny. So now it's a sin for the person who bought the hamster if it fights and die and not the person who sold the hamster? What kind of stupid statement is this? Why would it fight in the first place I ask you? It's because that terrysoh with 6 months experience having syrians giving out the wrong information.

Then all the hobbyist breeders with more than 10-20 years experience are just bullshit? What about the British Hamster Association? Another lie?

Also hamsters are not people. They don't have feelings, want to live with another hamster, blah blah blah. They live on instinct! Don't associate hamsters emotions with human emotions. That's just plain wrong.

Terrysoh should be the one sinned! And so should you for supporting him with that silly allegations that syrians can stay together with luck and all that crap.

Please research more before making all this baseless allegations. You be more sin if newbies followed your way of raring hamsters.
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No, won't warn. You are just saying the right things, just a bit heated up that's all.

But I agree with what you said.

QUOTE(chiensey @ Jul 5 2008, 12:19 PM)
good day everyone, i keep my robo in habitrail mini but after a few wash on the wheel, the wheel seems not as tight as before or the rubber on top us loosen. It cause the wheel to sway when my hamster running on it. Sometime i see him run so fast than he flipped himself which i feel worry about. Also, this wheel has a empty space in btwn the covers (not sure how to put it but i also worry that he could hurt his feet). Not sure if anyone using Habitral Mini too and does the wheel has any problem like this? Should i be getting new ones? if so, probably those with 8" diameter would do?
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I have a Habitrail Mini as well and the wheel is so useless. I threw the wheel and bought a Safari wheel. It can fit in the mini and is suitable for Robos so don't worry.

QUOTE(Jamien @ Jul 5 2008, 03:36 PM)
Basically, statement 1 and 3 just means that whatever happens, we are not directly connected to the incident and all we can do is advice them. If the person given advice to don wanna listen then there's nothing you can do about it.

Statement 1 and 4 means that you are free to do anything you want and keep many syrians together. But it's the wrong thing to do so don't be proud of it. Don't tell other people you are doing it. Keep it to yourself. And don't tell people wrong things.
Which I quite agree with, the statements. You are free to do what you want but since you know it's wrong to keep syrians together you should not sokong the person no matter what the reason. Remember that there are many first timers who don know anyting and will listen to the advice of someone seemingly more expert. It's the sin of the breeder to give wrong information to sell more syrians but it is also the sin of the person supporting the statement because that just strengthens the wrong statement of the breeder.
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Thank goodness.... I really was blur with all the husband and wife stuff....

QUOTE(Jamien @ Jul 5 2008, 07:43 PM)
Do you know why people are flaming you... Sigh...

We know you are just sharing experience. But if you share the experience inside that person's sales thread, the people who read it might come to think that terrysoh is saying correct thing. Cuz got one person also say that got case where syrians can live together (that is you).

So if Terrysoh is doing the wrong thing by saying many hamster's can live together in one place, you're also not helping when you say that you've seen got other people also keep like that but nothing happened to them. Your experience indicates that it is alright to keep them all together, so people who dunno will buy a few syrians and keep them together when they read your experience. Not to mention they may tell other people it's ok to do that then got more hamster will suffer. 

blush.gif People here just don want new owners of hamsters to have this kind of wrong information and feel sad when their hamster start killing each other. 

blush.gif And it would help if you remove your experience from that garage sales thread ok?
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QUOTE(ss88 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:53 PM)
thanx for the advice....i've edited wut i say in those thread...hope it will shut off those nonsence flame...
advice like this will help...not by flaming me,will not work...huhu... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Is not flame. People are trying to correct you coz your statement is going against the facts. You may think you have done something right with your statement but then you are just gonna make people buy 2 or 3 coz "wanna see luck loh".... If Flame..... is worst that this ok. You are just sensitive but then you didn't use correct words. All of us use brains to read. If we got no brains, we cannot read or even log into this forum. By giving people example of whatever lucky experience you have had, you are just gonna make more people do the wrong thing over and over again. We write with our hearts? NOOOOO...... We are writing base on facts, reading using our brains to go over the facts.

Also, we already mention in this forum to support good breeders, Ethical ones. That guy overthere is not an ethical breeder, mainly breeding coz he got a few pairs, mainly getting cash and he feeds low quality food. If people support him, he would just increase his breeding. I don't think he even knows that he is not suppose to breed a Syrian more than 3 times..... over breeding, makes the hamster stressful.

Come on lah, we are all hamster keepers, animal lovers. We all want hamsters to live a full healthy life. Such short lifespan.... so don't go and put such statements next time. You think you are not supporting him but then with your statement, you really are.

QUOTE(akecema @ Jul 5 2008, 08:09 PM)
i buy new hamster to day  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
winter white..
1 pearl n 1 agouti...
i use my old cage.... n look damn old...
i guess wanna buy fishtank
better i make hole to connect my old cage to fishtank or buy some connection
n the hammy will climb...
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2 WW? Hope you get 2 tanks.... who knows one day they will fight.

QUOTE(wintzen @ Jul 5 2008, 09:14 PM)
hey all after reading the post about their solitary instinct, i have got another cage for my WW, after a few nites of them making noises, i think it would be better....besides really scared that they will fight to death.
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Yes, noises are normally small fights occurring. Is good that you separated them. In the wild, they are good in groups but in captivity, when space is limited, fights do happen.

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This proves that smetims what we see may not be the entire truth. I mean, petshop hamsters do look ok together. But underneath it all, they are all so stressed out.

This stems from the fact that hamsters can't talk so we must try to give them needs that they cant tell us, like letting them live on their own.
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Yeah, that's for sharing everyone.
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urgh..enough la about the flaming and what not. She made an observation based on her experience and made a mistake by telling others about it. doesnt mean you all must attack her ramai. She apologized and explain already rite? End of story, forgive and forget. We all make mistakes sometimes.

QUOTE(neshie @ Jul 5 2008, 03:38 PM)
then what should i replace those orange metal bars with? Kinda lost now.  cry.gif
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you could try putting chicken wire so that its still ventilated but harder to chew chew due to the smaller gaps
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Chicken wire is poisonous.... Galvanised metal....
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what about stainless steel? is it poisonous to hamsters?

neshie, maybe u can fix the bars higher so that he cant reach & bite?

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