of cos.as long as you have money and interest in networking

im thinking to change field from programming to this hardware infrastructure field. any advice for me? pros?

*i ve got 2 years experience in software development and currently being paid little for my job.

Do all the cert holders here re-certify after the certificate expires?

For me, having a few cert is fine and reflect the person's desire for self improvement.. but having too many certs gives me a different impression which is:

1. The person is a paper chaser
2. The person is too free
3. The person does not know what he/she wants to do (if the certs are from different areas)

Is it really better to chase so many paper qualification or just to chase a couple and go for masters/phD ? Time and resource is limited, so need to carefully choose what field and what certs you want to pursue for your career advancement.

why so negative view on cert holders? are u saying this from employer or candidate perspective?

i kinda agree with him, when someone has too many certs it just shows that person is just not focused enough. he'll be a jack of all trades but master of none. it may be an advantage if you're going for a managerial position overlooking a large operation of many things, but in any other cases you'll always lose out to a person who is more specialized.

where is the place to take this cert??

From employer perspective. It's quite fine if the candidate has a clear objective in the paper chase. E.g. from CCNA all the way to CCIE, it will give an impression the candidate is very focused on networking and on Cisco products for example.

If the hiring company is looking for a Cisco expert, this candidate will have a high chance to get the job and get paid well because he/she is clearly very specialized. This is also a double-edged sword, because the person is too specialized in 1 area. If the candidate finds a job that is not relevant to the area of expertise, it is a waste of time and money and the future employer may also be concerned the candidate will eventually find another job that more closely fits his/her time and effort spent to get the certifications.

To some employers, the cert only have value if it relates to your future job. If you have too much certs, you need to look back at which one of it actually is relevant to your current job. Jack of all trades, master of none people is good for smaller companies, but bigger companies tend to appreciate a person who mastered a specific trade instead.

Anyway, my opinion is certification is still a good thing especially for fresh grads. Just have to be careful not to overdo it because some people might get a different impression.

Hi just asking for curiosity, currently for all network related jobs in job streets, it seemed that majority also required CCNA / CCNP with at least 1 or 2 years experience.

Will a newly taken CCNA fellow able to take up the job?

Depend your luck.. some big telco or vendor will still looking for fresh graduate..may be just 1st level support.

If you are able to prove that you know your stuff throughout your CCNA prep, why not?

You will be surprised by the number of CCNAs out there whom does not even know what 0x2102 and 0x2142 does.

ya true also... may b i have to pay more patient slowly look for it lo.. thanks hehe...

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Added on July 31, 2009, 8:25 pmThis Sunday i only starting my BOOT camp, hope that i'm not those group that u mentioned lo...

This post has been edited by cless85: Jul 31 2009, 08:25 PM

some even dont understand the term "native VLAN" .

Sorry if I am a little out of topic.

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So what's the best advice for a person planning to take Cisco prof certs?

Should I focus on CCNP or instead branch out to voice or wireless instead?

Gr3y, just spend the time to prep for CCIE, whichever track u feel like focusing. Cisco long abolishes the requirement for pre-requisite for CCIE.

If u are game for it, prepare yourself for the following:
1. Lack of sleep, lab & study daily for 8-16 hours
2. Forget social life, girlfriend, fubu, wife & kids
3. Dream of IOS commands until u get yr number
4. When u meet a new acquaintance, do sh run
5. Prepare lots of cash, unless u hv sponsors
6. Lead a very unhealthy lifestyle

It will all be very worth it when u have your number. Like I always advise fellow folks whom is embarking this journey, there is 3 hurdles u need to prepare yourself:

1. When u wanna start
2. When u failed and finding out what went wrong. It is like chasing a rabbit's trail and u will realize that u need to start over.
3. When u are waiting for your results. It is treacherous for R&S, Sec & SP even u will get the results on the same day. Voice? U would not be able to sleep.

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Added on August 3, 2009, 11:54 amGr3y, just spend the time to prep for CCIE, whichever track u feel like focusing. Cisco long abolishes the requirement for pre-requisite for CCIE.

If u are game for it, prepare yourself for the following:
1. Lack of sleep, lab & study daily for 8-16 hours
2. Forget social life, girlfriend, fubu, wife & kids
3. Dream of IOS commands until u get yr number
4. When u meet a new acquaintance, do sh run
5. Prepare lots of cash, unless u hv sponsors
6. Lead a very unhealthy lifestyle

It will all be very worth it when u have your number. Like I always advise fellow folks whom is embarking this journey, there is 3 hurdles u need to prepare yourself:

1. When u wanna start
2. When u failed and finding out what went wrong. It is like chasing a rabbit's trail and u will realize that u need to start over.
3. When u are waiting for your results. It is treacherous for R&S, Sec & SP even u will get the results on the same day. Voice? U would not be able to sleep.

This post has been edited by phobian: Aug 3 2009, 11:54 AM

Hi guys,

I wanna self study for mcsa/mcse and etc.

What I knows is that if I wanna take the exams for the papers, I need to register with Prometric and schedule my exam. Can you guys tell me more like after I'me selected the exam date and etc, what else should I do? Just pay and go straight to the selected exam centre and take exam without notifying anybody that I'm going to take exam there??

I'm planning to take it step by step, but thanks for the advice anyway.

hi all,


i am taking CCNA now..interested in buying used Cisco training kits for practice..if anyone has a good offer, kindly PM me..thanks ya

hey guys, ask something childish here, if i want to work in IT security field, what IT skills do i required?