reading omen/KTM is hard. true story.

Thought that since teron is the DPS gauge, it's full DPS gear and no shadow prot gear at all?

I dont use sr gear on teron ba, i think shadow prot buff is enough

Unfortunately, like what someone said earlier in the postings, enh shammy had to prove themselves useful to the raid most of the time, otherwise they'll be shoved to chain healing duty like every other good shaman out there

Good raiders WILL actually include enh shammy to actually boost up their overall melee dps, that is one single fact that can't be ignored. Believe it or not, enh shammy WILL be and SHOULD be at top 5 dps if not top 3 if they've proper itemizations (at par with the rest of the raid). The only drawback is the sometimes obscene amount of DPS burst they get from time to time.

Whoever that said latency is no big deal had to be lying out of their mouth, or just plain ignorant on the subject altogether :S

That's my 2 cents.

your 2 cents fails. should perhaps try 5 cents.

top 5? maybe

top 3? so ur gonna say the lolbm hunters/rogues/lollocks dont exist now?
even more so the ignorant fact that the above said classes have aggro reduction/wipe/control abilities to have more freedom to dps.

as far as latency goes, again, white attacks seriously takes a lot of skill and latency while waiting for cooldown abilities like SS/shocks amirite?

I'm a ds/destro lock. Top 5 of my guild's dps'er before I stopped raiding altogether.
Rogues spec'ed correctly WILL be top 3. Lock will be dominating top 5 if there's more than 3 of them in the raid (yes, if you know iSB).
I've raided with a good enh shammy, and yes, they do have obscene dps, higher than mine at times if it doesn't involve too much runnings.

Latency affects the things 'cept for white attacks.
10sec CD. Say you lag about .5 seconds on fights. 1 seconds if you factor in stuffs like button mashing and other shits. that's 11sec CD rounded. Say in a 1 minute fight. Instead of 6 SS, you can now only cast 5 SS. Instead of 5 FS that runs the full duration, you'll get perhaps 4.5/4.6 FS full duration. Perhaps it doesn't make much difference to you, but do some calculations on it.

because omen is correct 100% of the time and is never wrong. true story.

Actually I'm not sure how latency affects Enhancement DPS, unless you totem twist regularly.

HAHAHA nice 1, till today i dare not go over the tank's aggro even i know the aggro threshold is 130%. I just shatter when i am near the tanks aggro.

This post has been edited by orangbulu: Jun 18 2008, 02:43 PM

and ur a warlock that spams 1 button sb vs shams waiting for cooldowns. your point?

and for 1 second delay to accomodate your numbers, you need 1k+ ms. if you've scrolled back my post, i did mentioned something the lines of: "so long your not at 1k+ ms or some seriously laggy connection"

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Added on June 18, 2008, 2:45 pmdont use omen then. since its not correct. right?

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Added on June 18, 2008, 2:47 pmwell, based on that guy its not correct, might as well not use it

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 18 2008, 02:47 PM

Its not correct 100% of the time. And i dont rely on it 100% of the time. Based on recount to look at my dps, i know when i will overaggro. Or an alternative method is looking at my other locks dps and stay under it hahaha.

When Omen 2 was released, it was so full of bugs that we did not have a threat meter for 2 weeks. Now i only use omen at the beginning of fights because when you crit 3-4 times in a row, it is quite dangerous, after that, u dont really have to look at it



This post has been edited by orangbulu: Jun 18 2008, 02:51 PM

yeah i dont disagree with it. it is, at the end of the day, a third party mod that has no blizz recognition nor 100% accurate data/synchronization with the game and so on.

the fact still remains that people still relies on omen/KTM and lamer simply playing his role of well, being a lamer and pulling the "omen is not correct lol" card just totally cracks me up
i mean, if its bad, why not just stop using it so you dont have to cry about it being inaccurate, correct or not?

This feels like a dumbed down EJ discussion.

Let's do this again.

How many totems do you cast?
How many shocks do you cast?
How many SS do you cast?

Warlock only need to take care of 1 buttons, albeit one finger on shatter and one finger on CoS or CoD(if you're not on CoS duty). That's simple CD watching, and you'll already need to spend your time looking at the Quartz to minimize effects of lags.

Now let's talk about the subject here, shaman.
You've to think about a minimum of 3 different totems, 2 different shocks, SS and aggros. All of which affects each others. All of them depends on your lag and loss of gcd thru it. In which way does latency NOT affect your dps performance? It adds up for a boss encounter that lasts anywhere from 5 minutes to 10 minutes and you say it doesn't matter? That you'll 1k ms to be affected by it...? *cough*bull*cough*shit*cough

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:16 pmI critted with first 2 SB, and pulled aggro after giving 10k threat headstart to the tank on moro once.. and wiped the raid..

I agree with you there, it's based more on damage and experience, and whether you'll think the next damage you deal crits or not..

This post has been edited by PinkyBleu: Jun 18 2008, 03:25 PM

backpedal much?

first you imply that using omen/ktm is a piece of cake and that anyone who isn't using it "correctly" has issues.
after pointing out that it is hardly fool-proof you proceed to advocate not using it and that people shouldn't rely on it.

your grasp of logic astounds me, Mr "IrGLADIATOR rest of you guys suck lololol".
maybe you'd learn to think better once you get your head out of the clouds

-lamerflamer "here to flame lamers"

I know the raid used to wear 2pc SR gear back when they are learning. Now I dont really check on them - if they wanna wear, go ahead.. if not its also fine. Lol. The totem twisting part I gotta ask him whether he was doing it. Though the other day I asked if he knew wat that was and he said he knew.

Well, I hope that earlier info bit did help. I hope Kamahl can do the kind of dps you dish out (19xx) one day when we all uber geared!!!

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:25 pmI loved that period of time - showed you who was really experienced with their class and have a really good 'feel' and who was just a dps agro freak.

LOL


This post has been edited by saingau: Jun 18 2008, 03:25 PM

We use omen coz there is no better alternative. simple as that lol

no wai! you are just terribad if you use omen and you fail at wow!

right mr GLADIATORLOL ?

1 button or 4 or 10 buttons

you are ignoring the fact warlock have their SB button GCD q'ed for spamming while shamans dont have 100% of the fight duration with GCD's q'ed unless they are doing a lot of totem twistings

at the end of the day they are cooldown spells rather than always up as opposed to shadow bolt. how is having that said delay on say stromstrike, affect much of your dps when you cant even spam it? delay like 0.2-0.7 seconds (200-700ms) and its casted, and you have to wait for it to cool. as opposed to shadowbolt spamming non-stop. and even with SB spamming, considering the nature of casted spells, so long you got quartz and you have a good idea on how to do early cast cancels, latency wont even affect you much at all. (remember that old mod that assists you to cast cancel? blizz lol banned it [not directly, they changed api and the mod cant work anymore] due to "conditional auto actions")

but of course, standing still having 1 hand 1 finger on that 1 button with the other probably jerking off or grabbing something to eat is better than timing cast cancels, i suppose.

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:40 pmthats only in respond in your lame posts

seriously, how hard it is to look at omen and press a few buttons for a few minutes?
then you come in and accuse that omen is not correct, so i just provided a mere suggestion of not using it since you think its not correct. cant see how thats lame coming from a seriously lame "just joined" guy

if you cant somehow grasp what i am trying to say, ill make it simpler for you:
- omen/ktm is ez-mode.
- if you think it isnt and/or its not FULL-proof, dont use it. simple as that.

btw, unlike blizz forum's level 1 alt anonimity, you do know that your ip is traceble on LYN right?

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:42 pmwell, at least this is quality post. i have to give you that.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 18 2008, 03:42 PM

They changed the API so you can actually QUEUE for the action at a more suitable moment instead of having to /stopcast on every single spell that requires it. In other words, it's auto cancel casting now. It's been implemented since 2.3 or 2.2, I ain't sure. No they didn't ban it, they just changed it so it won't work. Why would it if they already provided an alternative for it?

Totem twisting is not done all the time thru the fight, unless of course if you actually PLAYED one in a RAID environment, you'll know there's no way a SHAMMY can sustain the mana for it.

Hands somewhere else when you're in a raid? I thought that's what you did when you talked to us about white damage a few posts up.

Now you're talking about cancel castings and gcds, the use of quartz to maximize casting time...

It's not my concern if you choose to ignore the fallacies in your previous statements.

In response to your assertion that PvE is all about looking at omen and pressing a few buttons for a few minutes, isn't that what WoW is all about? or even your OMGIMLEETGLADIATORZ arenas?

I think it's plain to see who is the one being lame here. You may carry on pretending it is me.

oh btw, OH NOES YOU HAVE MY IP ADDRESS (supposing you have moderator access). I R GONNA GET ARRESTED FOR POSTING MY VIEWS ON TEH INTERNETZ. TIME 2 RUN