Sometimes it gets really annoying when u trivialise pve. lol. Don't see every guild finishing the game as of yet.

Well, there are also other factors i.e. your party composition as well as the consumables you're using and even a LW in your group for haste.

as you said urself, gear could be an issue, and most importantly group setup can attribute to that 100-300 dps loss.

is there bm hunters buffing you? (lol pet) or hemo rogues raid buffing? (if you've seen SK KJ vid theres ONE hemo rogue raid buffing dps) thats just a few examples on how a raid setup can affect one's performance.

bottom line, its hard to find fault in latency unless ur lagging somewhere around 1k ms, further more your an enh shams where a majority of ur dmg comes from auto atk/wf procs which doesnt even need your user interaction.

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Added on June 16, 2008, 11:05 amwatch the SK KJ vid, then watch the MLG pc circuit vid.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:05 AM

group setups do more than 100-300 DPS fyi. My melee grp for SWP is mostly quite optimal for DPS, having buffs from arms war, 4 LW's in party, CoR, faerie fire, surv hunter raid buff. We dont have a feral druid in grp though, we gave him to the hunters, pretty much optimal.

But thats besides the point. Main thing is i just want to find other enhance shamans that are playing in the region to have a good talk about the class, not arguing over DPS with regular posters.

bottom line: in regards to you; my DPS is fine, i dont get any complaints over it, and personally im satisfied. and i do more than just stromstrike/shock/autoattack.

well there you go then.

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opps typo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:23 AM

Some things are out of our control

Those 2k shamans normally have extra hardcore raid combos that push their DPS over to that level. Stuff like PvE Arms warrior with TK trinket, super-geared survival/imp mark hunter, paladin keeping judgement, maybe hemo debuff, imp faerie fire, full drum rotations and random junk like battle chicken.

does that mean other raids never had a good raid comp synergy?



and you! come back to raiding
but srsly, 2k shamans (the ones i can see anyways) are very nicely geared, t6 belt/bracer/boots plus a TON of arPen. hemo debuff/imp FF is not equivalent to +100 DPS but these guys are pushing 2.2k. (armory sebudai) and some draenei sham from vodka, i forgot her name.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 11:29 AM

just emphasizing the obvious, in which you already knew yourself.

other raids may have a better, or worse raid comp synergy, who knows. but your not doing bad yourself, and your satisfied. why the fuss?

besides my main point is still this: latency doesnt affect your performance as much as you may want to think. even IF it does, what can you do considering you got lowerping/gamepath?

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lol 1hour+ sleep is seriously taking its toll on my typing

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Added on June 16, 2008, 11:29 am

just noticed ur post edit.

as to why am i posting... hmm, ill just let others explain this as im just gonna answer deja vu questions (lol Hobbies, Collectibles and Model Kits
sub-forum [those that visit there knows well what i mean])

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:29 AM

its more to why you are fussing yourself to answer? its my thread, i made it to find something out, although it may sound trivial to you, but its not for me.

latency is affecting my dps, period. I have already done what i can to lower latency. Im happy with my DPS, thats correct but theres always room for improvement. i dont see why i should stop improving myself. Question is: who can i compare to? thats the main reason i made a thread.

no one (including myself) is really fussing over anything.

and even more so no one is telling you to stop improving yourself.

just pointing the obvious fact that latency isnt the real reason of your dps lacking (if theres any) vs other enh shams, and even IF there is, theres not much you can do outside moving to US, or create your own awesome ISP in malaysia.

and again, if ur so convinced that latency is your issue on dps, why commpare it with msians/asian latency anyways? wouldnt it be better comparing with us players that has better latency? to get a better idea on how you are affected by latency, if there is any to begin with.

yay writing competition who will win?

ming lol.

actually, who knows?

why cant i compare to msian/asian latency? whats bugging you if i did? and i dont understand why you keep harping on the latency issue, i already said the latency is something that i have already done what i can, its a variable that i cannot change anymore. Also i did not complain/whine/boast/etcetc about my dps or the lack of it.

I have already compared my dps to the us players. i know their rotations, what buffs they are getting, how are they itemizing their gear. But then again, purpose of the thread has already been explained, if you would care to read what i write.

but w/e, guess its kinda hard to find fellow enhance shamans anywhere, being so rare and all. good discussion with you though quaz.



Deja vu usage of deja vu kinda out of context if i understand what your're saying. Plus i dont see any of your fanboys explaining as yet, maybe i'll come tomorrow to check it out.


This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 03:49 PM

because you have the opportunity to compared with the huge majority of US players with better latency which of course, based on your opinion would mean better result. where else comparing to saym asian/msian latency would mean comparing to people of equal level or worse. its something like malaysia always tend to compare to weaker countries just to comfort themselves saying that they are good

me harping on the latency issue? well, its mainly theres something to talk about vs nothing. besides, your the one thats been so merry to discuss- or in your wording, harping around it. its somewhat mind boggling since based on what you said now that it is a variable that you cannot change anymore, why even bother having it included in your variables over raid setup/gear/rotations and what not? very self contradicting if you ask me.

and im glad you know well what deja vu means. what you dont get though is most of the people here has been posting for quite some time while you're somewhat new here. (AFAIK?) so to the rest and/or myself, what you're asking there is a deja vu question
again, to get a better idea, visit the hobbies sub-forum as ive pointed out

Doh, Quaz. You are not kind to the masses.

Mikehuan, you probably just participated in the wordfest with the resident e-peener sadly.

dont spoil the fun just yet

wooooooooot all i can think of atm would be TL:DR

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Added on June 16, 2008, 10:24 pmcan it beat the record of 19 page? we will never know!!!!

and mike look here to know what your dealing with!
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/711462

This post has been edited by Jas2davir: Jun 16 2008, 10:24 PM

Again, you are referring to my post as a "my latency is bad i would like to compare my bad dps with other bad latency people". Im not going to repeat myself in this.

are you saying that latency is a variable that should not be included when calculating DPS? although its a variable that i cannot change does not mean that i must not include it. and no, its not contradicting. Pretty logical if you would just step back a bit and review what you just wrote. and talk of nothing? well, you arent an enhance shaman i think? im pretty sure theres someone out there who would be able to contribute to this thread that is not regarding latency that you keep harping about.

i hope you know what deja vu means, its not meant to be used in the context. I dont care if im new, or if u are a regular here. Also, wouldn't i care to visit the hobbies forums as i have no interest there. Yes, you can type, and yes you can form sentences, but again, its not my concern either. basically? you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I have no biff with you, and again u missed the purpose of the thread in the first place. i suggest u reread the posts i have made since you have so much time analysing it.

Just to get this topic back on track... skimming through the 1-2 pages, I didnt manage to catch your armory. Can you link it? Also, do you have any WWS reports from your raids that you can link for reference? And specifically, what areas are you looking at that you wanna compare / improve?

I'm asking these Q cause I'm a raid leader and I do bring a ENH shammy - I might not be able to answer all Qs, but at least can get my ENH shammy to take a look if need be.

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Oh btw, my ENH shammy is Pinoy, so he does have asian latency.

(this reply came after I relooked at the long love letters you two replied to each other each other where you talk bout latency and all )

This post has been edited by saingau: Jun 17 2008, 04:52 AM

if you've bothered to read my posts despite emphasizing on reading. you probably wouldnt've asked this question anyways. but yes i am saying if ur not running on some really shit latency like over a thousand or over 9000!!! there is really not much point to include latency as a variable in your dps. moreover being a class that pretty much spams stormstrike/totems and lol-auto atk (prove me otherwise that white + windfury isnt your main atk, until then your really not convincing that enh shamans "takes skill")

and in case you have doubts in my understanding of deja vu, here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deja%20vu
perhaps your the one having trouble in understanding? at least it looks that way. regardless you can refer to that link and im sure you can at least read right?
given that, i dont see how "its not meant to be used in the context." maybe the english police can enlighten us.


pretty hyprocrite when so many, including yourself claims how low their care meter are, yet they get so pinched up in their panties all the time. like... right now. lol

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Added on June 17, 2008, 8:12 amno go, hes not king83 material

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 08:12 AM