He may not be kings83 material but I agree with Kurei, don't trivialise PVE.

Quaza always tries to post like the American kids

Season 3 is almost over, you pushing for gladiator title?

so, you're saying latency does not affect dps at all then? and why are you suddenly interested in shaman mechanics now? and yes, white + windfury is my main dps, but have you ever wondered why i stay in gcd most of the time? stormstrike is 12 secs cd, shocks is 6 secs, totems last for 2 minutes, for your reference. theres no point that i convince you, of all people.

good for you, you can link references of deja vu. now use it in a sentence correctly. you're old enough to police your own grammar i hope?


i certainly hope u are referring to yourself, assumptions on how i feel or "care" does not become you, or, does it?

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:18 amthank you for replying. yeah its been hard to get ANY decent replies from here. just amusing myself, and auto bumping the thread is good

Terrorhoof this is my armory, but i log out wearing randomly PVE, or PVP, or at times even healing gear lol. Looks like i logged out in PVP gear this time =/.

WWS this is last weeks BT run.

well, to put it simply, i want to break 2k dps, lol. this terons fight was already at optimum raid synergy having an arms war, surv hunter, faerie fire etc. dont think theres anything much i need from BT anymore, maybe just the cursed vision, supremus neck and teron cloak. how much dps does your shaman put out? and what kinda stats does he go for? myself im going for more Armor Pen (standing at about 750 or so atm).

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 10:18 AM

yea PVE is HARD

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:34 amin all fairness i did played with americans for over a year during my pre-tbc hardcore PVE days.
living a vampiric life too ftw

and yeah i am pushing glad this season, all the conditions are met with some minor complications, but no time to be bothered bout it
our main comp right now is warrior rogue mage priest paladin, VERY GIMPED but its do or die week, so just have to deal with it
we at 2036 atm, aproximately 170 more ratings for glad title (calculations from arena junkies indicate an aproximate of 2.2k ratings is needed)

reason being our sham is gettin owned by his isp... we did yesterday's 10 games with one of em 4vs 5 (with a decent team too... for 5 ratings) and if we lose that, its 25 ratings right out our ass lol... shaman just kept getting dc (vent and web browsing and wow of course) and the pings are lol 500-1k. preeeety great time for his isp to be an hero >.>

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:45 am

how am i suddenly interested in shaman auto attacks all of a sudden? but since you've bothered to enlighten-
12 sec cd stormstrike, 6 sec shock, every 2min totem, warrants a decrease in dps from 200-700 ms ping lag delays (0.2-0.7 second delay upon pressing said skills) i mean... wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww that sure is a lot performance decrease... not
/facepalm

as for deja vu, i believe my usage is correct and i did asked for correction if theres any needed. but since you're unable to point out any, i guess its settled.

at the end of the day, i could well be assuming on how you feel (or in this thread in particular, care, for this thread) but as far as the definitions of care go, the way you are posting in such an uptight pretty much speaks for itself.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 10:45 AM

^-- lol. stop posting about latency and dps.



i would, but you're not worth the time.

this is the normal way i post. and i dont feel its uptight. i never swear, was never rude. i merely pointed out the flaws of your arguments and yet you call me uptight.

edit: o btw, cleave teams. nice. thats the one thing we have in common at least. our cleave peaked at 2100 before we disbanded (ret pally sold his toon, war quit). Running a new cleave with my guildies atm, 13-0 so far, more to casual arena playing.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 10:58 AM

One day, I should arrange a safe form for confrontational discussions. Let it all out in either a water fight, lazer tag or something like that.

We're getting too seriouz here.

confrontational discussions, looks like an oxymoron to me lol. how is it getting serious? 3 pages of discussion regarding lag. pretty trivial if u asked me.

As a player who has played both in USA (80ms ping) and Malaysia (200-400ms ping), and only spam shadow bolts, latency effect on you DPS is huge. Well at least i consider 100 dps to be extremely significant.

Well at least you got 400ms here.

I'm getting 1.5k ms in all 25mans Malaysia boleh

Oftentimes, the way to respond to oxymoron confrontational discussions is for the OP to sometimes give way sadly. But giving way is not in agreeing with the rebuttal but to steer the conversation back without having to resort to insults, be it direct or sarcastic. Comments like "pretty trivial" can spark flame threads for ages.

Don't resort to playing Quaz's game though. And yeah, I nag him too, just like I nag everyone on this forum.

makes sense. okay, fair enough, i shall stop myself from responding then. LF more enhancement shamans.

so ur now trying to order me on what to do on an internet forum? right.
i mean yeah, its prolly not worth your time, but the end result of what everyone can see here is that you're unable to point out any corrections to my usage of "deja vu". whatever the reason/excuse is, thats that.

since ur playing the normal card, ill put out mine too. werent i doing the same thing anyways? no? lol...
and btw, lolwut cleave team? mage somehow is gonna use his staff to "cleave" now? just fyi, our sham's elemental, not enh. (prolly better to stop assuming all shams being enh just cuz you got some wierd lolenh fetish?)

that said, we did ran cleave team aka trifecta aka tri-melee. but we ran it with warr/rogue/feral druid/resto sham (or our new h.paladin)/disc priest.
on our peak we were at 2100+ with top3 of our realm and top 50 in our BG. then we had some people movements and took a dive as low as the 1700's. we recovered just recently and are now pushing for glad.

compositions isnt a big deal to us btw, as we have a 9 man out of 10 arena roster (though 3 are MIA for now). Now we got 6 and we run 2345 and rotate warr with me rogue as variant since feral druid got RL owned.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 2:38 pmsomething like....



This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 02:38 PM

On the flipside, I showed the BT gear requirement thread to my Raid Leader and the first thing he said was "How come all posters are so angry and they lose focus of the thread? They didn't answer it." When I mention that this is typical Malaysian response, he goes "ouch".

Sorry, giving thread back to mikehuan to look for Enh shammies.

100 dps is decently significant i would say. however you are spamming shadowbolts. vs someone that does a skill usage once every few sec and waiting for autoattacks.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 2:41 pmyou should give your RL the serious cat pictar. "THATS why"

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 02:41 PM

bumpie~

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Added on June 17, 2008, 5:20 pmwow angruuuuu!
lol@lolenh fetish
mage cleave! *swings*
wow! gladiator! good luck with it, hope u get it.

*wonders if i can get a bite*

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 05:20 PM

I think your WWS looks quite good really. Having said that I have to commend you for constantly striving to improve. Drawback of support class-type dps classes is they dont have an agro drop ability whereas pure dps classes do, which hinders their dps-goals (LOL). Having said that, lag is a factor as well. Since you did 1992dps, maybe with US lag can be 2-2.1k?

Anyways, this used to be our resident ENH shammy, but he transferred off, you can see his gear here though (his head and chest is the only upgrades since he left) --> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ouncil&n=Cjross

This guy is one of our main RESTO shammy, but im in the midst of moving him to ENH to fill that gap arising from the transfer above (prolly a bit undergeared as compared to Cjros ---> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...lstrom&n=Kamahl

These dps figures are just in general - not specific to Teron ---> I dont have WWS for Cjros, but iirc (if i rmbr correctly) he's usually between 1 - 1.2k dps? Kamahl was doing around 900-1k? Best you check the WWS for Kamahl last Wed, feel free to browse through http://wowwebstats.com/mta5kdlojuqwi

Btw your tank did 1655 tps for Teron... nice I got target to try to achieve alraedy... now doing 14xx... lol

Edit: Oh hell, he's full BT/SWP geared lol :PPP nice gear


This post has been edited by saingau: Jun 17 2008, 05:46 PM

i thought i heard someone say my name

would be better if you could reply something more sensible given the edited post. but hey, go mage cleave more if you will.
/giggle

y hello thar keep the flame going :/ when i have the mood ill read up

both of the enhance shamans are very nicely geared, well kamahl might be using the hyjal for the looks looking at his enchant (hell im want the those fists as well). i remember me being worse geared going to hyjal/bt compared to them.

kamahl's dps wasnt bad as well, doing 1.3k on teron(our guild kinda takes teron to be a dps gauge, since its tank and spank all the way). were u guys wearing 2pc shadow prot for the fight? or full dps gears? was he totem twisting? (sorry im not that good on analysing wws reports lol.)

yeah our tanks are quite good, been around the game for a while already. i generally dont have any problems going all out right off the bat (which btw, was quite worrying to me since so many shamans were complaining about threat in the first few seconds of the fight) and never getting an aggro warning throughout the fight. Only on occasions tank slacking while doing trash, and salv falls off me yeah i end up tanking for a few seconds before they taunt back or i die =/.