pve and latency delay is pretty trivial /sigh.

its not like bosses are kiting you around giving you "out of range".

you just sit there, and press buttons with 0.2-0.7 sec latency delay. (200-700 ms) stormstrike... totems... bloodlust? err... purge? not a wholeeee lot of skills to press either LOL

im sure its still in topic as you are now talking bout latency of ur enh shams. or perhaps you are straying off topic urself? if thats the case both of us are guilty as charged then.

regardless. there isnt much you can do outside vmlinux/lowerping/gamepath. so why bother? 200-300 ping is the MAX you can go due to the internation distance between nodes of msia to wow server. want better ping, goto US.

that said, there isnt much point to dwell on "asian ms", especially in pve. heck who am i kidding, not much use b****ing/whining/discussing bout it either in pvp as there really isnt much can be done

and FYI: posting on WoW forums doesnt increase post count. in case you havent noticed.

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Added on June 16, 2008, 10:57 amOZ = laggers too.

just the US guys pretty much.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 10:57 AM

as you said urself, gear could be an issue, and most importantly group setup can attribute to that 100-300 dps loss.

is there bm hunters buffing you? (lol pet) or hemo rogues raid buffing? (if you've seen SK KJ vid theres ONE hemo rogue raid buffing dps) thats just a few examples on how a raid setup can affect one's performance.

bottom line, its hard to find fault in latency unless ur lagging somewhere around 1k ms, further more your an enh shams where a majority of ur dmg comes from auto atk/wf procs which doesnt even need your user interaction.

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Added on June 16, 2008, 11:05 amwatch the SK KJ vid, then watch the MLG pc circuit vid.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:05 AM

well there you go then.

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opps typo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:23 AM

just emphasizing the obvious, in which you already knew yourself.

other raids may have a better, or worse raid comp synergy, who knows. but your not doing bad yourself, and your satisfied. why the fuss?

besides my main point is still this: latency doesnt affect your performance as much as you may want to think. even IF it does, what can you do considering you got lowerping/gamepath?

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lol 1hour+ sleep is seriously taking its toll on my typing

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Added on June 16, 2008, 11:29 am

just noticed ur post edit.

as to why am i posting... hmm, ill just let others explain this as im just gonna answer deja vu questions (lol Hobbies, Collectibles and Model Kits
sub-forum [those that visit there knows well what i mean])

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 11:29 AM

no one (including myself) is really fussing over anything.

and even more so no one is telling you to stop improving yourself.

just pointing the obvious fact that latency isnt the real reason of your dps lacking (if theres any) vs other enh shams, and even IF there is, theres not much you can do outside moving to US, or create your own awesome ISP in malaysia.

and again, if ur so convinced that latency is your issue on dps, why commpare it with msians/asian latency anyways? wouldnt it be better comparing with us players that has better latency? to get a better idea on how you are affected by latency, if there is any to begin with.

ming lol.

actually, who knows?

because you have the opportunity to compared with the huge majority of US players with better latency which of course, based on your opinion would mean better result. where else comparing to saym asian/msian latency would mean comparing to people of equal level or worse. its something like malaysia always tend to compare to weaker countries just to comfort themselves saying that they are good

me harping on the latency issue? well, its mainly theres something to talk about vs nothing. besides, your the one thats been so merry to discuss- or in your wording, harping around it. its somewhat mind boggling since based on what you said now that it is a variable that you cannot change anymore, why even bother having it included in your variables over raid setup/gear/rotations and what not? very self contradicting if you ask me.

and im glad you know well what deja vu means. what you dont get though is most of the people here has been posting for quite some time while you're somewhat new here. (AFAIK?) so to the rest and/or myself, what you're asking there is a deja vu question
again, to get a better idea, visit the hobbies sub-forum as ive pointed out

dont spoil the fun just yet

if you've bothered to read my posts despite emphasizing on reading. you probably wouldnt've asked this question anyways. but yes i am saying if ur not running on some really shit latency like over a thousand or over 9000!!! there is really not much point to include latency as a variable in your dps. moreover being a class that pretty much spams stormstrike/totems and lol-auto atk (prove me otherwise that white + windfury isnt your main atk, until then your really not convincing that enh shamans "takes skill")

and in case you have doubts in my understanding of deja vu, here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deja%20vu
perhaps your the one having trouble in understanding? at least it looks that way. regardless you can refer to that link and im sure you can at least read right?
given that, i dont see how "its not meant to be used in the context." maybe the english police can enlighten us.


pretty hyprocrite when so many, including yourself claims how low their care meter are, yet they get so pinched up in their panties all the time. like... right now. lol

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Added on June 17, 2008, 8:12 amno go, hes not king83 material

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 08:12 AM

yea PVE is HARD

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:34 amin all fairness i did played with americans for over a year during my pre-tbc hardcore PVE days.
living a vampiric life too ftw

and yeah i am pushing glad this season, all the conditions are met with some minor complications, but no time to be bothered bout it
our main comp right now is warrior rogue mage priest paladin, VERY GIMPED but its do or die week, so just have to deal with it
we at 2036 atm, aproximately 170 more ratings for glad title (calculations from arena junkies indicate an aproximate of 2.2k ratings is needed)

reason being our sham is gettin owned by his isp... we did yesterday's 10 games with one of em 4vs 5 (with a decent team too... for 5 ratings) and if we lose that, its 25 ratings right out our ass lol... shaman just kept getting dc (vent and web browsing and wow of course) and the pings are lol 500-1k. preeeety great time for his isp to be an hero >.>

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:45 am

how am i suddenly interested in shaman auto attacks all of a sudden? but since you've bothered to enlighten-
12 sec cd stormstrike, 6 sec shock, every 2min totem, warrants a decrease in dps from 200-700 ms ping lag delays (0.2-0.7 second delay upon pressing said skills) i mean... wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww that sure is a lot performance decrease... not
/facepalm

as for deja vu, i believe my usage is correct and i did asked for correction if theres any needed. but since you're unable to point out any, i guess its settled.

at the end of the day, i could well be assuming on how you feel (or in this thread in particular, care, for this thread) but as far as the definitions of care go, the way you are posting in such an uptight pretty much speaks for itself.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 10:45 AM

so ur now trying to order me on what to do on an internet forum? right.
i mean yeah, its prolly not worth your time, but the end result of what everyone can see here is that you're unable to point out any corrections to my usage of "deja vu". whatever the reason/excuse is, thats that.

since ur playing the normal card, ill put out mine too. werent i doing the same thing anyways? no? lol...
and btw, lolwut cleave team? mage somehow is gonna use his staff to "cleave" now? just fyi, our sham's elemental, not enh. (prolly better to stop assuming all shams being enh just cuz you got some wierd lolenh fetish?)

that said, we did ran cleave team aka trifecta aka tri-melee. but we ran it with warr/rogue/feral druid/resto sham (or our new h.paladin)/disc priest.
on our peak we were at 2100+ with top3 of our realm and top 50 in our BG. then we had some people movements and took a dive as low as the 1700's. we recovered just recently and are now pushing for glad.

compositions isnt a big deal to us btw, as we have a 9 man out of 10 arena roster (though 3 are MIA for now). Now we got 6 and we run 2345 and rotate warr with me rogue as variant since feral druid got RL owned.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 2:38 pmsomething like....



This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 02:38 PM

100 dps is decently significant i would say. however you are spamming shadowbolts. vs someone that does a skill usage once every few sec and waiting for autoattacks.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 2:41 pmyou should give your RL the serious cat pictar. "THATS why"

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 17 2008, 02:41 PM

would be better if you could reply something more sensible given the edited post. but hey, go mage cleave more if you will.
/giggle

reading omen/KTM is hard. true story.

your 2 cents fails. should perhaps try 5 cents.

top 5? maybe

top 3? so ur gonna say the lolbm hunters/rogues/lollocks dont exist now?
even more so the ignorant fact that the above said classes have aggro reduction/wipe/control abilities to have more freedom to dps.

as far as latency goes, again, white attacks seriously takes a lot of skill and latency while waiting for cooldown abilities like SS/shocks amirite?

and ur a warlock that spams 1 button sb vs shams waiting for cooldowns. your point?

and for 1 second delay to accomodate your numbers, you need 1k+ ms. if you've scrolled back my post, i did mentioned something the lines of: "so long your not at 1k+ ms or some seriously laggy connection"

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Added on June 18, 2008, 2:45 pmdont use omen then. since its not correct. right?

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Added on June 18, 2008, 2:47 pmwell, based on that guy its not correct, might as well not use it

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 18 2008, 02:47 PM

yeah i dont disagree with it. it is, at the end of the day, a third party mod that has no blizz recognition nor 100% accurate data/synchronization with the game and so on.

the fact still remains that people still relies on omen/KTM and lamer simply playing his role of well, being a lamer and pulling the "omen is not correct lol" card just totally cracks me up
i mean, if its bad, why not just stop using it so you dont have to cry about it being inaccurate, correct or not?

1 button or 4 or 10 buttons

you are ignoring the fact warlock have their SB button GCD q'ed for spamming while shamans dont have 100% of the fight duration with GCD's q'ed unless they are doing a lot of totem twistings

at the end of the day they are cooldown spells rather than always up as opposed to shadow bolt. how is having that said delay on say stromstrike, affect much of your dps when you cant even spam it? delay like 0.2-0.7 seconds (200-700ms) and its casted, and you have to wait for it to cool. as opposed to shadowbolt spamming non-stop. and even with SB spamming, considering the nature of casted spells, so long you got quartz and you have a good idea on how to do early cast cancels, latency wont even affect you much at all. (remember that old mod that assists you to cast cancel? blizz lol banned it [not directly, they changed api and the mod cant work anymore] due to "conditional auto actions")

but of course, standing still having 1 hand 1 finger on that 1 button with the other probably jerking off or grabbing something to eat is better than timing cast cancels, i suppose.

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:40 pmthats only in respond in your lame posts

seriously, how hard it is to look at omen and press a few buttons for a few minutes?
then you come in and accuse that omen is not correct, so i just provided a mere suggestion of not using it since you think its not correct. cant see how thats lame coming from a seriously lame "just joined" guy

if you cant somehow grasp what i am trying to say, ill make it simpler for you:
- omen/ktm is ez-mode.
- if you think it isnt and/or its not FULL-proof, dont use it. simple as that.

btw, unlike blizz forum's level 1 alt anonimity, you do know that your ip is traceble on LYN right?

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Added on June 18, 2008, 3:42 pmwell, at least this is quality post. i have to give you that.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 18 2008, 03:42 PM

the action q'ing on server side is more applicable than casted spells if not any at all. your spells will still perform its full cast on your client side before casting the next. what the previous cast cancel did was stopping the added casts due to delay so you can cast the next spell faster.

and here:


and hey, thanks for further confirming that shamans dont press buttons 100% of the fight lol. since they cant sustain the mana for spamming totem twists.