Welcome back jhong. Congratulations for surviving CLP. The process itself is ridiculous enough.

As I see it, the UOL exam questions are not necessarily more difficult than the UKT's. But it may be more difficult to score for the UOL because the students are not taught by the persons who mark the papers. So there is a potential mismatch between what the markers expect and what the students provide.

At the end of the day, your grades and where you get your degree from are only some of the many proxies for how well you will do in life. I do stress their importance for they will determine the kind of opportunities open to you. But how well you make use of what you have gained (particularly what you have learnt - many people don't learn anything) will determine how far you will go.

Dear guys...pls enlighten me....i am goin to take do my intermediate in law...n since due to insufficient fund...i m thinking...of self studying...i did my a-levels part time in a local college....is it advisable to do self studying.....and yeah part time of course....if yes then...some useful sites..

This post has been edited by wanna be hi-tech: Aug 15 2012, 12:30 AM

Hi guys. I was just wondering if the UK transfer program offered by BAC would allow me to practice law in Singapore.

I have opened and read the links posted here about being a 'Qualified Person', but as the program offered by BAC is not a twinning program, more of a credit transfer thing I think.

If BAC's UK Transfer Program is not recognized by the Singapore Bar, doesn't that mean anyone who holds a law degree from any university in Malaysia, regardless of whether the university is local or private, would not be able to practice law in Singapore since the Singapore Bar does not recognize the UOL External Degree either?

Thanks in advance for the comments.

hi guys. ive been diving in this thread for quite some time.

theres a few questions that i would like to ask. people always tell me its harder to score/pass if u r doing external uol as compared to ukt and ukt is harder to score/pass compare to exam for international students in the uk uni. is this true? i can understand the uol bit cuz its 100% exam based, but other than that is there any other cause that make it harder to score?

and also is it worthy to go into LLM if im determined to take btpc? im thinking about it because the uni im studying at dont really have very good reputation in law. or it will be a waste of money and time? its just a wild thought.

and also sheffield, queen's belfast, cardiff and manchester. which has better reputation for law? thanks in advance.

This post has been edited by partay: Aug 28 2012, 08:08 PM

i dont really understand the requirement.. Can i practice in Malaysia without a STPM or a level certificate?.. because once i finish my degree in business, i plan to study law and practice in Malaysia.. can anyone guide me?.. Thx

What do u have prior to enrol your business degree?
If you have the equivalent qualification (assuming you have SPM and equivalent too), then you can practice. STPM equivalent like Malaysian matriculation, UEC, Australian Matriculation ... etc.

If you only have pre-university, then no.

I enrolled into a foundation program be4 enrolling to my business degree..
Ur equivalent qualification is pointing what qualification?
Can elucidate the path of not having either A lvl and stpm?
I plan to study at BAC.. now i majoring in Marketing
Thx alot

Like I said, equivalent qualification (STPM/A-level) = Malaysian matriculation, UEC, Australian Matriculation.
Since you have only foundation, it is NOT recognisable STPM/A-level equivalent qualification.
If you want to practice in Malaysia by doing an oversea law degree, you must have CLP. For you to get accepted into CLP, you need the abovementioned.
The only way that you can PRACTICE law in Malaysia is to re-take A-level.

Hi, unfortunately, Singapore bar does not recognise any program done via credit transfer or externally. Neither do they recognise University Malaya being the top university in Malaysia.

Cheers.

I see. Thank you for your reply.

Hi all, I've seen so much on the UOL and UK programmes. What about the MMU Law programme? Is it difficult? Since they are the only law school to offer a law degree without the need to sit for CLP.

Any ideas on how the MMU programme is like and is the failure rate high?

What makes them so special about other law school in Malaysia?

Monash Foundation,Trinity foundation from Melbourne Uni are not considered equivalent to STPM,A levels for purpose of practicing in Malaysia even with approved degree from Melbourne,Monash etc ?

The same for all those foundation programmes from INTO,Bellersby etc in UK ?

I wish to know that if one doesn't satisfies the requirement for CLP what other alternative route can he/she take?
What other job can he/she do (instead of becoming a lawyer) with a law degree but without a CLP??
Hope to get a reply ASAP.

Your friend could be right. It is hard to score but i dont think its difficult to pass. I think the study guide is the bible for UoL.

I was given some other recommendations for LLM last time when i applied to Queen Mary, University of London. You may consider UCL, LSE, Nottingham, Durham, Edinburgh. Otherwise, Manchester, Sheffield and Cardiff have almost the same reputation for law.

This post has been edited by jhong: Aug 30 2012, 01:46 PM

oh, i was thinking they might have higher marking standard since its for external students.

hmm, thanks for the suggestion. but i was asking do you think its worth it to go for LLM if im certain i'll take up bptc. the only reason i wanna take up LLM is because my undergrad uni is not of such good reputation. :S

Do you think LLM would help you in securing an offer for BPTC? If you're an UoL grad, your degree is well-recognised in the UK. In my opinion, LLM doesnt play much role in getting entrance into BPTC program so long you have a recognised law degree.

ah.. i see. thanks!
my concern is about getting a job after graduating though. like the employers place a big emphasis on coming from ivy league uni and such things. do you think going in LLM would give me better career prospect in the future? or is it a waste of time if I'm certain to take up BPTC?

thanks in advance!

This post has been edited by partay: Sep 4 2012, 02:44 PM

I have been to a few interviews at the top law firms in the country. Trust me, they don't really care what your qualifications are. What matters most is how you present yourself at the interview. Most importantly, your command of english and your work ethics. I would say the LLM would be a waste of time if you are looking to practice. Unless you plan to take a different career path, eg lecturing, then just take the bptc.

hi guys, Im currently studying uol in BAC now. I have a question- can I do bptc in uk after finishing uol and come back to practice in Malaysia? No problem rite?

What is the legal field job available for a fresh graduate law bachelor without CLP ?
Does he need to complete CLP first in order to enter the legal career ?

Thanks.