i mean external law course that don't have to attend class. by the time i practise, should be 27

I think CLP/BAR exam is an isolated professional certificate that it will never affect your degree status. "sit for CLP then BAR at UK" doesnt sound correct in the sense that a normal law grad would EITHER choose CLP OR BAR exam.

If you fail CLP, just re-sit if you want to practice. It will never affect your degree, be it obtained in Malaysia ("3+0") or oversea ("2+1").

Some people did UOL LLB, 3 years entirely in Malaysia then opt for BAR exams in UK.

So your "100k" (im not sure whether 1 year there is that expensive) only cover your final year in UK university. Once you get the status "degree holder"; you can come back Malaysia and take CLP exam. If you fail, you are still degree holder. If you pass, then you have to go for chambering (at least 9 mths) before you are qualify as the practicing lawyer.

good option for you would be UOL + Bar since you're concerned with spending RM100k on that extra bit of exposure. I did the CLP. It's a waste of time. You don't get much from it that you can't just take a book and read when it matters. Although I never intended to enter advocacy, if I had the chance to turn back the clock, I would have gone for the then bvc just for the exposure.

May i ask, if you failed your exam in LLB (3+0) , can you retake it?

wah so hard ah ? HAIH. thanks ya. anyway, is KDU UOL course good ?

err. what's so hard? Not sure about KDU though. If you want to do UOL, i'll still recommend either ATC or BAC.

No, you can't. I ve come across few guys who were not confident during part 2 exam purposely fail the papers to resit it,coz they dont want to get 3rd class and never able to bcome a lawyer.

i know that atc & brickfield provide good UOL course but i want to have a campus life, a better campus surrounding. haha. then how about KDU's 2+1 course ? is it ok ?

Hello . guys .. i really need help ..

i m dilemma in choosing uni / college to pursue my law

MMU vs Brickfields ( 3+ 0 )

brickfields provides UOL only ?

if you're planning to take MMU LLB degree (you're exempted from taking Certificate of Legal Practice CLP) but 4 years(academic) then chambering [please correct me if I am wrong]

on the other hand, if you're planning to take University of London (you have to sit for CLP/ do BPTC (previously known as BVC)/ etc) which would be 3 years (academic) + 1 year CLP = equivalent to 4 years... then only chambering

both routes have their own advantages and disadvantages..

btw, Brickfields does offer UK Transfer Program besides UoL.

Not only 3 years for UOl ?

how about the lecturers in MMU ? good ?

compare the environment .. which one is better ?

Duration:
3 years to get your UOL LLB IF you do not intend to practice. CLP is a must if you want to be practicing lawyer, unless you grad from local u LLB (UM etc). If your UOL LLB add together with CLP (although normally 9 mths study, but to be considered 1 year), then eventually you will need four years to proceed for chambering. While MMU, after 4 years, you can straight away opt for chambering.

Difficulties:
UOL LLB itself is not really a big issue if you put your effort consistently. CLP itself is tough and historically, a very high failure rate, but I supposed these few years the passing rate are quite ok. Most of the students can get through in first attempt, unlike in the previous few years. MMU LLB for me is a shortcut and "immunity". And you are "guaranteed" a place for chambering irrespective your result.

Study path:
UOL programs need self-discipline while MMU should be "easier" since it is a degree granted by a local institution. UOL considered high standard for a typical Malaysian, somehow hard to score but 2(2) is achievable.

Career goal:
If you only want to become a legal consultant in commercial line (like most of the accountant did in commercial MNC), UOL is ways sufficient, so MMU LLB would be unnecessary. If you want to practice in future and affordable, then opt for MMU (omit the local university), apparently your life would be "easier"

Study mode:
MMU LLB can only be done if you can study full time, while UOL LLB is quite flexible, can be done full/part time/ distance learning.

Fees: assuming no failure in the entire study, and the minimum duration to study
UOL LLB (distance learning) = RM 18k or even lesser depends the exchange rate.
UOL LLB (part/full time) = RM40k-45k. Half of the "additional expenses" will be incurred as "tuition fees" per your choice of institution.
CLP = Additional to the above fees, around RM6K to RM8k. Depends the institution you choose.
MMU (full time) = From RM54k, exclude the resources and extra fees (different from time to time). Need not consider the CLP fees.
*Note: If you plan to study full time in UOL LLB with any institution AND CLP, then the fees would be more or less the same as MMU LLB.

Location:
UOL LLB: At your convenience (distance learning), or local institution (mostly concentrated in KL, Penang, Johor, Kuching).
MMU: Malacca ONLY. MMU LLB is not offered in Cyberjaya. *So get ready with the hostel expenses.
*If you are local KL people, then UOL LLB seems a better choice.

Recognition:
UOL LLB: Internationally recognized (International firms would understand the difficulties of UOL Degree and will recruit fresh graduate *commercial line* even you are 3rd class honours.)
MMU LLB: Arguable internationally recognized. Some MNCs still prefer the "branded" uni. Somehow is not the firm does not recognize your certification, it is about "impression" to them. Thus, compared to UOL degree holder, MMU is slightly disadvantage. But if in Malaysia, I personally think no different.
*So, UOL LLB has wider spectrum.

Environment: **adam lee's concern.
UOL LLB: No real college life (except if you choose to study at KDU), but the numbers of students...err...
... For other college... general comment: (feel free to conclude otherwise)
a) BAC... experienced and dedicated lecturer, has good track of exam record. The notes are sufficient for exams and you need not do additional research unless you want to score first class then you have to work extra harder. Con is that BAC is too commercialize and simply about business.
b) ATC... essentially the eldest and famous law school in the nations. Good for CLP but ok for UOL. Although they are not so business-minded, but they charged the fees too high which I think it is not value for money.
*Both BAC and ATC, MANY students.
c) Mentari/Greencity... small college with few experienced teacher. Suitable for part-timer or working adult. Con is that the number of students are the exact opposite to BAC and ATC. Dont think it will last for long.
d) Crescendo... JB's only UOL law school. Education is ok, too basic. But enough for a pass or second lower.
e) KDU... can enjoy campus-life. The quality of the education is increasing and we shall expect more undergrad from this college. But, not value for money. Again, you deserve better education if you are afford to pay for it.
*All the above I conclude based on the notes, and hearings from friends and peers.
f) Distance learning... like a ship in the sea. You never know what will happen in exam / what's appear on your exam slip. haha. Either it can be HIGH.. (70-74), TOO HIGH... (75-76) or it will be VERY LOW (40-45) if you get the concept wrong, especially land, criminal, conflict, criminology, ip.
MMU LLB: Guarantee campus-life study environment.
a) The lecturers are experienced, and students need not worry about getting surprise in final. Because what is asked in the final exams would definitely be covered by the lecturer. Therefore, I also do not know how to comment on this. As student, you may know the expectation from the examiner clearer.

Hope this helps you.

This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 28 2011, 08:58 PM

Obviously the big difference is the Exemption thingy. With MMU, you get exempted from taking CLP.

In job prospect I would say 3+0 is better since that cert allows you to work oversea in which cert you get from MMU probably only allow you to practice as a lawyer in local.

Do note that if you are taking MMU law, I would advise you not to take the foundation but something else. As far as I am concern, the exemption isn't permanent and subject to review. Thus, it's safer route if you pick A Level/ STPM or any of the equivalent because in case the exemption is removed, you would still be able to take CLP.

To sit for CLP, the requirement is STPM or equivalent.

@z21j

thanks a lot !!!

so ... that means MMU is LLB only ? while brickfields is UOL ??

I have been told tat if i enroll next year(2012 ) in BAC.. perhaps april intake .. the problem is i have to wait until sep jsut got registration to sit exam in MAY 2013.. when come to 2013 .. i have to study exactly same syllabus as i study in 2012 ..consider as wasting time ?? and i still need another year to for chambering .. so total up =5 YEARS ??? oh gosh , pls tell me tat im wrong ..

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Added on December 29, 2011, 1:23 pm@solstice818

im waitng for my A lvl result

i heard tat the license of MMU ( exempted from taking CLP) is " expired " .. is that true ?

and i called the person in charge yesterday .. she told me tat they have received the instruction of counsil tat maybe CLP exam is not longer to exempt in 2 years later..

This post has been edited by adam lee: Dec 29 2011, 01:23 PM

UOL because the LLB offered by Brickfields (3+0) is the external degree under University of London (UOL)

From the updates I get, they just got their review passed on recently with the graduates only need to complete a training programme to obtain a Certificate of Completion.

However, such exemption is subject to review 2 years later which is why the person in charge told you that the exemption is not guaranteed.

[quote=adam lee,Dec 29 2011, 01:18 PM]
@z21j

thanks a lot !!!

so ... that means MMU is LLB only ? while brickfields is UOL ??

I have been told tat if i enroll next year(2012 ) in BAC.. perhaps april intake .. the problem is i have to wait until sep jsut got registration to sit exam in MAY 2013.. when come to 2013 .. i have to study exactly same syllabus as i study in 2012 ..consider as wasting time ?? and i still need another year to for chambering .. so total up =5 YEARS ??? oh gosh , pls tell me tat im wrong ..

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Added on December 29, 2011, 1:23 pm


LLB = Bachelor of Law. Wherever you study; you will get LLB in the end, just the different awarding body only. If you study in MMU, the awarding body will be MMU itself; while if you study in BAC, the awarding body will be University of London (assuming you choose 3+0 UOL International Program). BAC is just like a "tuition center"-(for understanding purpose), that prepare the students for Uni Of London exams. Hope this clear some doubts.

Yes, the unique point of UOL is that the exam is only held ONCE a year which is somewhere May/June. The latest intake for the next academic year exam sitting is on Sept every year. (So, you have just missed the intake for the exam sitting in May/June 2012). No matter you join Jan/April/July/September intake next year (2012), you will still be sitting your exams on May/June 2013. The syllabus is the same but more time for you to do extra self-study. There are pros and cons. Nope, dont consider it as wasting time. First year is the "foundation" year that you must really find the best way for your studies in Year 2 and Final Year. With this "additional period", you can do more assignment and hence your exam in May/June 2013 would be easier.
Assuming you join BAC for UOL-LLB Program next year Jan/Apr/July/September.. (2012),
The you will have your ...
first year exam (call 'intermediate') on May/June 2013
second year exam ('Final Part 1') on May/June 2014
final year exam ('Final Part 2') on May/June 2015
... while waiting for the results (normally release end of August), you can start your CLP program at BAC or ATC. THat will be August/September 2015 and you have be sitting CLP test on July 2016.
Chambering after you pass your CLP test for a period of 9-12 months. (normally 9 months).
And... called to the bar before you are a qualify practitioner.

It's seems like a long path but eventually all lawyers who were in your position have to go through the process above mentioned. You will NEVER feel regret when you pass your CLP exam (first attempt).. haha...

But such a process is quite mentally challenging. So, pass ALL your exams at one goal is the key, or else you might be demotivated somewhere in between and end up no where. Good luck.

@z21j

While MMU, after 4 years, i can straight away opt for chambering... but the duration also around 5 years which same as BAC ?

2016 ???? oh gosh ... lolx ..

i thought i can graduate in 2014 .. haha .. LLOng wwwayyy to gooooo......
anyhow .. thanks for ur information ..

really apprreciated =)

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Added on December 29, 2011, 6:33 pm@solstice818

OK , thank you so much for ur reply =)



This post has been edited by adam lee: Dec 29 2011, 06:33 PM

[quote=z21j,Dec 29 2011, 06:14 PM]
[quote=adam lee,Dec 29 2011, 01:18 PM]
@z21j

thanks a lot !!!

so ... that means MMU is LLB only ? while brickfields is UOL ??

I have been told tat if i enroll next year(2012 ) in BAC.. perhaps april intake .. the problem is i have to wait until sep jsut got registration to sit exam in MAY 2013.. when come to 2013 .. i have to study exactly same syllabus as i study in 2012 ..consider as wasting time ?? and i still need another year to for chambering .. so total up =5 YEARS ??? oh gosh , pls tell me tat im wrong ..

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Added on December 29, 2011, 1:23 pm
LLB = Bachelor of Law. Wherever you study; you will get LLB in the end, just the different awarding body only. If you study in MMU, the awarding body will be MMU itself; while if you study in BAC, the awarding body will be University of London (assuming you choose 3+0 UOL International Program). BAC is just like a "tuition center"-(for understanding purpose), that prepare the students for Uni Of London exams. Hope this clear some doubts.

Yes, the unique point of UOL is that the exam is only held ONCE a year which is somewhere May/June. The latest intake for the next academic year exam sitting is on Sept every year. (So, you have just missed the intake for the exam sitting in May/June 2012). No matter you join Jan/April/July/September intake next year (2012), you will still be sitting your exams on May/June 2013. The syllabus is the same but more time for you to do extra self-study. There are pros and cons. Nope, dont consider it as wasting time. First year is the "foundation" year that you must really find the best way for your studies in Year 2 and Final Year. With this "additional period", you can do more assignment and hence your exam in May/June 2013 would be easier.
Assuming you join BAC for UOL-LLB Program next year Jan/Apr/July/September.. (2012),
The you will have your ...
first year exam (call 'intermediate') on May/June 2013
second year exam ('Final Part 1') on May/June 2014
final year exam ('Final Part 2') on May/June 2015
... while waiting for the results (normally release end of August), you can start your CLP program at BAC or ATC. THat will be August/September 2015 and you have be sitting CLP test on July 2016.
Chambering after you pass your CLP test for a period of 9-12 months. (normally 9 months).
And... called to the bar before you are a qualify practitioner.

It's seems like a long path but eventually all lawyers who were in your position have to go through the process above mentioned. You will NEVER feel regret when you pass your CLP exam (first attempt).. haha...

But such a process is quite mentally challenging. So, pass ALL your exams at one goal is the key, or else you might be demotivated somewhere in between and end up no where. Good luck.

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wow. hats off to you mate. took the time clarifying the matter.

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Added on December 29, 2011, 8:25 pm[quote=adam lee,Dec 29 2011, 06:32 PM]
@z21j

While MMU, after 4 years, i can straight away opt for chambering... but the duration also around 5 years which same as BAC ?

2016 ???? oh gosh ... lolx ..

i thought i can graduate in 2014 .. haha .. LLOng wwwayyy to gooooo......
anyhow .. thanks for ur information ..

really apprreciated =)

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Added on December 29, 2011, 6:33 pm@solstice818

OK , thank you so much for ur reply =)

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btw, its 2017. coz you have to sit for CLP in 2016 then do chambering for 9-12 months.

This post has been edited by qazhang: Dec 29 2011, 08:25 PM

@qazhang

oh ya .. is 2017 .. wat ??2017 .. oh gosh .. tat means after i complete all .. = 26 years old ?? lol..

anyway .. thanks all of u ..

any students here would like to do attachment in my firm in Puchong? kindly PM..cheers!