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solstice818
post Dec 12 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 12 2011, 12:04 PM)
I beg to differ. The range of ages for pupils I have worked with is from 21 to 30. I have met and worked with almost 40 pupils so far. Age is or at least should be irrelevant. Why would it be harder to fight with the younger ones? From my experience, the older ones are usually more matured and usually have some form of working experience. I would take the candidate that impresses me most overall.

I still believe if you are decent enough (need not be strong 2:1 above), it is not hard to get a pupillage position in a good firm in the legal world. There are so many good firms for various type of work. Im not sure whether that extends to freshie LA positions. Have not decided on that point.
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I do agree that if you have some sort of working experience , you have an edge over the young freshies. What if you don't? Plus, age is or at least to some extent, do not decide one's maturity.

At the end of the day, it's up to your performance to impress during interview.
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post Dec 12 2011, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 12 2011, 12:42 PM)
I do agree that if you have some sort of working experience , you have an edge over the young freshies. What if you don't? Plus, age is or at least to some extent, do not decide one's maturity.

At the end of the day, it's up to your performance to impress during interview.
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Well, if you're 27 or 28 and you have no working experience, that is a major drawback on your resume (unless you have added qualifications). That person must have been doing something (construtive hopefully) considering in Malaysia you should be able to complete your legal studies latest by 24. If you took time off for 1 to 2 years to chill, well obviously I'd overlook you too. There are no two similar candidates wherein lies the need to resort to considering age as a determinant.
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post Dec 13 2011, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 12 2011, 10:44 AM)
Stop working maybe? Because so far there is very very little people who can cope with CLP while working at the same time. It's draining your life away, seriously!  laugh.gif


Added on December 12, 2011, 10:49 am
As for your previous questions, may I ask what's the point of you taking of Bachelor of Jurisprudence?

If you ask me, I would say that by the time of age of 27/28, it's harder for you to fight with the young one, no?

Think about it, put yourself in the law firm's shoes. Would you take a fresh grad with 0 experience of age 24/25 or one with 27/28? I would take the younger since both are equally inexperienced.

And another thing people fail to notice is that now with the CLP exemption going on for some universities, there will be a flooding of fresh graduated lawyers. You will have to fight them for job. Not an easy task if you ask me.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 12 2011, 01:15 PM)
Well, if you're 27 or 28 and you have no working experience, that is a major drawback on your resume (unless you have added qualifications). That person must have been doing something (construtive hopefully) considering in Malaysia you should be able to complete your legal studies latest by 24. If you took time off for 1 to 2 years to chill, well obviously I'd overlook you too. There are no two similar candidates wherein lies the need to resort to considering age as a determinant.
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Thanks both of you for the answers. To answer your questions, I have to recollect my memories few years back when I first entered university to get my first degree which is engineering. I wanted to take both engineering and law classes(my results is good enough to enter both of the courses) at the same time and graduate with double degree when I'm 24 but apparently my university doesn't allow that. Needless to say, I chose engineering and now that I graduated, I want to get a law degree. I'll start to work and take that as an external paper. I hope I could cope with it, since i'm an avid reader. The reason I'm taking law is simply because I love to read, and I thought law knowledge could be useful for me. I might not practice law in the future. But if I could put it into good use that'll be bonus.
by the way, alsree786, why would you consider the candidates that take time to chill as not competitive? I'm taking my time to chill for half a year already since I graduate.

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post Dec 13 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ Dec 13 2011, 10:07 AM)
Thanks both of you for the answers. To answer your questions, I have to recollect my memories few years back when I first entered university to get my first degree which is engineering. I wanted to take both engineering and law classes(my results is good enough to enter both of the courses) at the same time and graduate with double degree when I'm 24 but apparently my university doesn't allow that. Needless to say, I chose engineering and now that I graduated, I want to get a law degree. I'll start to work and take that as an external paper. I hope I could cope with it, since i'm an avid reader. The reason I'm taking law is simply because I love to read, and I thought law knowledge could be useful for me. I might not practice law in the future. But if I could put it into good use that'll be bonus.
by the way, alsree786, why would you consider the candidates that take time to chill as not competitive? I'm taking my time to chill for half a year already since I graduate.
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I know a couple of engineers who switched to law. Well, i trust you'll make the best decision for yourself.

For the bolded question, that is just how i view it. I personally don't take long breaks. I took two days off after my pupillage ended purely by choice. Im also still very much a part time student. So if I were to interview someone, I'd consider what you were doing during your time off. But of course, that's just me.
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post Dec 13 2011, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 13 2011, 12:40 PM)
I know a couple of engineers who switched to law. Well, i trust you'll make the best decision for yourself.

For the bolded question, that is just how i view it. I personally don't take long breaks. I took two days off after my pupillage ended purely by choice. Im also still very much a part time student. So if I were to interview someone, I'd consider what you were doing during your time off. But of course, that's just me.
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So I assume those engineers that you met that switched to law will only start their legal career around 27 or 28 too ? are they coping well ?
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post Dec 13 2011, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ Dec 13 2011, 11:30 PM)
So I assume those engineers that you met that switched to law will only start their legal career around 27 or 28 too ? are they coping well ?
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yes they are. i also know a pupil who did ICSA previously, another was an air stewardess. they both started at 28 and 29 respectively. Both are good pupils.
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post Dec 14 2011, 03:33 PM

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hey guys . i am a spm student this year which means i finished it.

I am thinking of

Taylor (cpu) then brickfields then U of london.

good idea?
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post Dec 15 2011, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(Cooltms @ Dec 14 2011, 03:33 PM)
hey guys . i am a spm student this year which means i finished it.

I am thinking of

Taylor (cpu) then brickfields then U of london.

good idea?
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So what's this good idea about? About the choice of picking those unis? And btw, CPU not eligible for CLP if I am not mistaken.

And I dont get your question at all. How is that brickfields then University of London? I am assuming that you are talking about twinning here?

One last thing, if you are planning to do law, the least thing you should be doing to state something so ambiguous and unclear.I dont think it takes much time to actually type out whole, complete question that is crystal clear for everyone to understand. Forgive me, old folks like me dont really get to understand the way of teens posting in internet nowadays.

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post Dec 15 2011, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 13 2011, 11:50 PM)
yes they are. i also know a pupil who did ICSA previously, another was an air stewardess. they both started at 28 and 29 respectively. Both are good pupils.
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Ok. thanks a lot for your info smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2011, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2011, 03:23 AM)
So what's this good idea about? About the choice of picking those unis? And btw, CPU not eligible for CLP if I am not mistaken.

And I dont get your question at all. How is that brickfields then University of London? I am assuming that you are talking about twinning here?

One last thing, if you are planning to do law, the least thing you should be doing to state something so ambiguous and unclear.I dont think it takes much time to actually type out whole, complete question that is crystal clear for everyone to understand. Forgive me, old folks like me dont really get to understand the way of teens posting in internet nowadays.
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ok ok then it is my job to correct you , i dont think my post was unclear at all ? it's your way of view which is wrong or not up to date for i can rebuke you with this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry47513482

none questioned me as you did ?
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(Cooltms @ Dec 16 2011, 06:49 PM)
ok ok then it is my job to correct you , i dont think my post was unclear at all ? it's your way of view which is wrong or not up to date for i can rebuke you with this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry47513482

none questioned me as you did ?
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Didn't mean to take this further but the way I see it, everyone, including myself, has to assume what's on your mind to answer that....But, erm, let's just say that that's a piece of advice which you have your ultimate liberty in following or not following. Didn't mean any offense but the way I see it if you wanna ask a question, let's ask it in a clearer way.It's your future we are talking about, not some online games... Anyway, ignore me because I always think that language is your weapon in legal field and if you cant master it well enough, it will backfire on you... If you feel offended, forgive me smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Cooltms @ Dec 16 2011, 06:49 PM)
ok ok then it is my job to correct you , i dont think my post was unclear at all ? it's your way of view which is wrong or not up to date for i can rebuke you with this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry47513482

none questioned me as you did ?
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I actually agree with solstice, tho maybe in a differing tone. What is "Taylor (cpu) then brickfields then U of london"? And besides, your link above refers to a different thread.
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post Dec 17 2011, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 16 2011, 09:41 PM)
I actually agree with solstice, tho maybe in a differing tone. What is "Taylor (cpu) then brickfields then U of london"? And besides, your link above refers to a different thread.
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different thread so what? same people on earth also ?
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post Dec 18 2011, 02:03 PM

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Hey, hope you guys dont mind if i tag along 1 question.

Had asked HELP recently on their LLB. One is transfer degree and another 1 is 3+0. Both are most likely the same which are LLB, just that 1 you can go to UK while another 1 you study locally.

However, the officer also told me that if i prefer 3+0 in HELP, i will not be able to practise litigation.

Can anyone tell me what's the differences in these 2 program?? I found that their syllabus in law is almost the same for 3 years.

And, what's the different between lawyer that can practice and lawyer that cant.
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post Dec 18 2011, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(LH15 @ Dec 18 2011, 02:03 PM)
Hey, hope you guys dont mind if i tag along 1 question.

Had asked HELP recently on their LLB. One is transfer degree and another 1 is 3+0. Both are most likely the same which are LLB, just that 1 you can go to UK while another 1 you study locally.

However, the officer also told me that if i prefer 3+0 in HELP, i will not be able to practise litigation.

Can anyone tell me what's the differences in these 2 program?? I found that their syllabus in law is almost the same for 3 years.

And, what's the different between lawyer that can practice and lawyer that cant.
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You sure they tell you you cant practice?

Ok here's the thing. Basically, they are of the same thing. It's just that the transfer degree thing, we called it twinning which available in 1+2 or 2+1... The 3+0 is called external degree where you do everything in local. The difference between these two are, slight difference in syllabus and when you graduate( from what I heard, not too sure about it) external degree now, the certs come with the word "External degree" printed...unlike the old time , there's no such words printed...Whether it's 1+2, 2+1 or 3+0, you still need to take CLP/ BPTC in order to practice...

Did he tell you why you cant practice if you take the external one? I think he made a mistake there. Even if you do the transfer degree programme, you still need to take up CLP /BPTC to practice... Correct me if I am wrong. smile.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 18 2011, 08:15 PM)
You sure they tell you you cant practice?

Ok here's the thing. Basically, they are of the same thing. It's just that the transfer degree thing, we called it twinning which available in 1+2 or 2+1... The 3+0 is called external degree where you do everything in local. The difference between these two are, slight difference in syllabus and when you graduate( from what I heard, not too sure about it) external degree now, the certs come with the word "External degree" printed...unlike the old time , there's no such words printed...Whether it's 1+2, 2+1 or 3+0, you still need to take CLP/ BPTC in order to practice...

Did he tell you why you cant practice if you take the external one? I think he made a mistake there. Even if you do the transfer degree programme, you still need to take up CLP /BPTC to practice... Correct me if I am wrong. smile.gif
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Hey sorry there, I just check again on the website, it's degree itself from HELP instead of 3+0. The subjects we learning throughout 3 years are the same as the transfer programme, but cannot practise. It's not recognise by the Bar council?
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post Dec 19 2011, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(LH15 @ Dec 18 2011, 11:42 PM)
Hey sorry there, I just check again on the website, it's degree itself from HELP instead of 3+0. The subjects we learning throughout 3 years are the same as the transfer programme, but cannot practise. It's not recognise by the Bar council?
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Yup, not recognize which mean you cant practice..... List of Uni recognized by Bar Council is stated in first page smile.gif

No point going for that if you ask me. Might as well do External Degree under UoL smile.gif
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post Dec 19 2011, 10:01 AM

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Hi, is there any courses out there other than external of jurisprudence in UM that don't require you to attend classes?
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post Dec 24 2011, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ Dec 19 2011, 10:01 AM)
Hi, is there any courses out there other than external of jurisprudence in UM  that don't require you to attend classes?
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Wow, how many certs you grabbing? I think by the time you are practicing as lawyer, you would probably late twenties.

By the way, Merry Christmas to everyone in legal field. Cheers thumbup.gif
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Hey guys! I've just finished my A-Levels this Oct & I wish that I can pass so that I can study law in the future. rclxms.gif I'm very hesitating about which Uni should I proceed to when my result is out. I've already cancelled out Taylor & Help, I'm left with KDU/ATC/Inti. I studied my A-Levels in ATC & I think it's a good school but I feel like changing into a new environment & study in KL instead. I know that all unis are good but the difference is whether taking UOL or UK twinning/ degree transfer. My dad could send me to UK at the 3rd year if I really want to but it is really worth to spend that 100K ? I still need to sit for CLP after coming back from UK, but what if I cant pass my CLP = cannot get the title, I'll waste that 100K. That's why my dad said why not taking the UOL (3 years local) & sit for CLP then BAR at UK. If fail CLP also didn't waste so much money since I study 3 years in local. Safer.

So rclxub.gif . UOL programme is so hard man + need 2:1 to sit for CLP. Sigh. What should I do ? 2+1/3+0 ? hmm.gif

Thanks for the help smile.gif

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