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solstice818
post Jun 11 2011, 03:53 AM

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QUOTE(Meaty @ Jun 11 2011, 12:52 AM)
Of course i'm aware of it,the thing is there is no guarantee on clp exemption from MMU,worst scenario to come is perhaps their 4 years course not even eligible to sit for the real clp exam.Sounds horrible?
Is the quota that makes life even harder,but even you're from UoL you bound to sit for clp in order for you call to the Bar.Go for (BPTC)?,but this is not plausible as not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth as you mention earlier.
So at end of the day,it is hard,opt for Sg is even harder.
I can see where you are coming from. Yes, no doubt, there is no guarantee that the exemption will last. The current exemption last until this year and recently, they just reviewed it again. Whether they get the new exemption again, we will see in few months time. If they got it, then great, they just extended the exemption for another couple of years. If not, then I think the course structure they offered will be changed with the course reverting back to 3 years since the final year of the course is basically the CLP thingy.

As for your claim that the whole course might not even eligible to sit for CLP, I think that's a little exaggerate. Why? Because the way I see it is that since the first batch of mmu law graduates already been called to bar, I think it more or less signify that the course itself is recognized by bar council. At least, that's how I think it works.

Anyway, every legal route is difficult. No easy path when you decided you wanna pick the legal field. For me, I would suggest you all to take UoL. Stop worrying about the CLP first because at the end of the day, if you cant practice, you can still work as other profession in other fields. That UoL cert allows you to work overseas too.Something local uni cant offer you.(excluding UM )
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post Jun 11 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 10 2011, 06:11 PM)
No one know the exact figure but for the record, it's always 15% or less every year.But as I mentioned earlier, no one know the exact figure. Putting a number up there might potentially scare of the freshies when the truth is no one know how many percent of us will only pass the CLP. The only truth in it is that it's freaking hard to pass the exam.Period.
And your post, mainly talking about twinning programme while not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Some struggles to make ends meet. I m surprised you didn't mention external degree at all when BAC, ATC seems pretty good at these .  smile.gif
Ya, that y I specifically mentioned that for those who r rich, u should study law in UK.

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The last I know, MMU wasn't the only one getting exemption from CLP. I remember there are the other two unis getting along with MMU but MMU get the stick most of the time mainly due to it being a private institute.

Anyway, good question about why still so many fellow people wanna make their life so difficult to opt for UoL when MMU has a CLP exemption.

I think that's down to individual. Ask yourself and be frank, can you make it for CLP? The CLP exemption thingy comes handy when you know you cant make it. And let's be frank, not everyone has a good command of English. When you opt for UOL and your papers being marked by some foreigner who dont even understand your rojak english, then MMU seems to be a perfect choice eh?

The only downside is that, the exemption need to be reviewed and you cant work outside Malaysia.
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Definitely MMU not the only one who been granted exemption for CLP. Nevertheless, in my previous post, I had clearly mentioned that MMU is the only private institution been granted CLP exemption, while the others are local public universities, including UUM who has been granted on the same time with MMU. I didn't stop those who want to study for UoL external paper but I just showing that it was difficult. I also deliberately mentioned that MMU lecturers were not up to par. Isn't it?

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post Jun 11 2011, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 11 2011, 03:53 AM)
I can see where you are coming from. Yes, no doubt, there is no guarantee that the exemption will last. The current exemption last until this year and recently, they just reviewed it again. Whether they get the new exemption again, we will see in few months time. If they got it, then great, they just extended the exemption for another couple of years. If not, then I think the course structure they offered will be changed with the course reverting back to 3 years since the final year of the course is basically the CLP thingy.

As for your claim that the whole course might not even eligible to sit for CLP, I think that's a little exaggerate. Why? Because the way I see it is that since the first batch of mmu law graduates already been called to bar, I think it more or less signify that the course itself is recognized by bar council. At least, that's how I think it works.

Anyway, every legal route is difficult. No easy path when you decided you wanna pick the legal field. For me, I would suggest you all to take UoL. Stop worrying about the CLP first because at the end of the day, if you cant practice, you can still work as other profession in other fields. That UoL cert allows you to work overseas too.Something local uni cant offer you.(excluding UM )
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Not exaggerated,as one of my relative graduated from MMU first batch in 2008/2009 also saying that he's such a lucky axx,as exempted from clp and recognised by Bar Council.He went further to stated that their degree is now even 'lower' nowadays,as you can go directly to their foundation course without the need to go through A level/STPM.
So,the risk is there,not so small that that you can ignore it all together.

Well,i think education is one thing and career is another.Even you did really well in your study,but so so in your work,then you will struggle to survive in this competitive field.
Older generation tends to fancy that the like of Lawyer/Doctor profession.But what's the big deal nowadays?Flooded with general Doctors and alike.You need to invest at least 500k,and yet you need to work for more than 15 years to get back what you've paid for,worth it?I can't/unable to answer for the time being.....


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post Jun 11 2011, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Meaty @ Jun 11 2011, 04:08 PM)
Not exaggerated,as one of my relative graduated from MMU first batch in 2008/2009 also saying that he's such a lucky axx,as exempted from clp and recognised by Bar Council.He went further to stated that their degree is now even 'lower' nowadays,as you can go directly to their foundation course without the need to go through A level/STPM.
So,the risk is there,not so small that that you can ignore it all together.

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Arh... Now I see your point. Yes, the requirement to sit for CLP is that you must at least have STPM or A Level. So, it does carry a certain risks if they didnt get the exemption and you are going up there through foundation they offered. Meantime, it's safe for those entering MMU law using A Level/STPM even if they dont get the exemption. At least they can sit for the CLP. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Meaty @ Jun 11 2011, 04:08 PM)
Well,i think education is one thing and career is another.Even you did really well in your study,but so so in your work,then you will struggle to survive in this competitive field.
Older generation tends to fancy that the like of Lawyer/Doctor profession.But what's the big deal nowadays?Flooded with general Doctors and alike.You need to invest at least 500k,and yet you need to work for more than 15 years to get back what you've paid for,worth it?I can't/unable to answer for the time being.....
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People always say stop counting the chicken before they hatch. Guess it applies here. Its better if we stay focus on what happens now than the future. Anything can change as time passes. You might not get what you expected at the end of the day. tongue.gif

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post Jun 11 2011, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Meaty @ Jun 11 2011, 12:52 AM)
Not some,but solely UM only.
If you look at the link i posted earlier
http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/UsefulInfo/Practic...64/Default.aspx
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R u sure? If u look carefully on that website, u will realise that even UM, Singapore also not recognised nowadays. Only those who commenced study in UM before 1st January 1994, then only they will recognise. In other words, for student who studying in UM today is actually not recognised by Singapore. Therefore, none of a local university Malaysia is recognised by Singapore at now.

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post Jun 11 2011, 11:21 PM

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for llb studies, atc or bac better???confusing........
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QUOTE(yunghui @ Jun 11 2011, 11:21 PM)
for llb studies, atc or bac better???confusing........
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Same question from everyone eh? Anyway, few years back I would definitely tell you ATC for LLB and CLP for BAC. For now, I have heard a lot about ATC good lecturers left and one of my friend in BAC told me that BAC actually hired lecturer from UK to teach them for one month. So, if you ask me, I would say, do more survey. Pay visits to both colleges before you make your decision. I heard BAC is catching up on ATC in LLB. Not too sure myself because the last time I checked on stuff like that was few years back and a lot of things happened in these few years. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yunghui @ Jun 11 2011, 11:21 PM)
for llb studies, atc or bac better???confusing........
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Aiyo, whichever is better really depends on ur perception. I believe that both provide world-class education just that how much a student can absorb the essence. Do more survey is true.
I do my llb as private candidate, but I did read the material from atc and bac. As far as I concern, bac notes is easier to understand (even you miss the class) but I should say atc note more details. No idea about the lecturer there, so cant give comment but I believe they must be dedicated. smile.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 11 2011, 04:43 PM)
Arh... Now I see your point. Yes, the requirement to sit for CLP is that you must at least have STPM or A Level. So, it does carry a certain risks if they didnt get the exemption and you are going up there through foundation they offered. Meantime, it's safe for those entering MMU law using A Level/STPM even if they dont get the exemption. At least they can sit for the CLP. laugh.gif
People always say stop counting the chicken before they hatch. Guess it applies here. Its better if we stay focus on what happens now than the future. Anything can change as time passes. You might not get what you expected at the end of the day.  tongue.gif
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Being positive,yes.But your own self knows better than anyone else who you are,what you able to and unable to do."How many 10 years more can you have in your life?"(from drama)
If you can't/unable to foresee the near future,i'd think to migrate to somewhere else.Life goes on,is that you to change the environment and not the environment that change/restrict you.


Added on June 12, 2011, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(twgang @ Jun 11 2011, 07:02 PM)
R u sure? If u look carefully on that website, u will realise that even UM, Singapore also not recognised nowadays. Only those who commenced study in UM before 1st January 1994, then only they will recognise. In other words, for student who studying in UM today is actually not recognised by Singapore. Therefore, none of a local university Malaysia is recognised by Singapore at now.
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Oh my,this shows that local uni is not more valuable than the previous 90's time.Ranking is still so so,who's gonna blame for this?

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QUOTE(z21j @ Jun 12 2011, 02:33 PM)
Aiyo, whichever is better really depends on ur perception. I believe that both provide world-class education just that how much a student can absorb the essence. Do more survey is true.
I do my llb as private candidate, but I did read the material from atc and bac. As far as I concern, bac notes is easier to understand (even you miss the class) but I should say atc note more details. No idea about the lecturer there, so cant give comment but I believe they must be dedicated. smile.gif
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really hard to made decision,bac like getting better now.did anyone undergo their part time studies before?how is it compare to full time?equivalent hmm.gif
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Hi guys, i need help with regards to clp, i dont know i should opt for bac or atc
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post Jun 19 2011, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(luminaryxi @ Jun 18 2011, 11:20 PM)
Hi guys, i need help with regards to clp, i dont know i should opt for bac or atc
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BAC is the one showing BETTER result in CLP. Even back then, they are more renown for CLP than the LLB they offering.
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Hi all.

Starting from 2011/2012 academic year (September 2011), we will provide private tuition sessions for LLB and it is opens to all students who are currently pursuing their degree in law; or those students who had just completed A-Level and planning to study law!

This private tuition session is wholly under the guidance from Mr Tan Eng Lin (EL Tan), and we believe that via joining this programme, your result would improve tremendously!

Refer Starting from 2011/2012 academic year (September 2011), we will provide private tuition sessions for LLB and it is opens to all students who are currently pursuing their degree in law; or those students who had just completed A-Level and planning to study law!

This private tuition session is wholly under the guidance from Mr Tan Eng Lin (EL Tan), and we believe that via joining this programme, your result would improve tremendously!

Refer the website posted in my signature.
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hello everyone! smile.gif

i am having some problems with my pre-u studies before pursuing my LLB. currently,i am undergoing a foundation course called MUFY(monash university foundation year) and i just found out that it is not recognized by the Uk degree so i cannot pursue this degree. in my case,i might have to take Alevels and then pursue to the UK degree or if MUFY is recognized in KDU college UTAS programme for law.

so,my question is:
1) does KDU college UTAS programme accepts MUFY? if so,what are the entry requirements?
2) if i want to take alevels now, which colleges offers Alevels for 1 year where i am able to graduate next year june?

since i have wasted half a year already,i really do not wish to waste another 1 and a half just for pre-u studies. please help me out!

all the replies are very much appreciated. thank you smile.gif
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Currently struggling in choosing institution for CLP......ATC/BAC? In fact, ATC offers partial scholarship for foreign university graduates (2:1 degree) that i need only pay RM3000....sounds attractive....Any thoughts?
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QUOTE(kittycat93 @ Jul 3 2011, 04:02 AM)
hello everyone! smile.gif

i am having some problems with my pre-u studies before pursuing my LLB. currently,i am undergoing a foundation course called MUFY(monash university foundation year) and i just found out that it is not recognized by the Uk degree so i cannot pursue this degree. in my case,i might have to take Alevels and then pursue to the UK degree or if MUFY is recognized in KDU college UTAS programme for law.

so,my question is:
1) does KDU college UTAS programme accepts MUFY? if so,what are the entry requirements?
2) if i want to take alevels now, which colleges offers Alevels for 1 year where i am able to graduate next year june?

since i have wasted half a year already,i really do not wish to waste another 1 and a half just for pre-u studies. please help me out!

all the replies are very much appreciated. thank you smile.gif
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1) Yes. KDU does accept MUFY for the UTAS LLB program but bear in mind that you can't practice in Malaysia since your Pre U is not recognized by Malaysia Bar. There's no point if you intend to study law while cannot practice on your own country. Perhaps, you're an international student ?

2)Some of the colleges have a 1 year express intake for A Levels which you can finish it on June but there's a reminder for you. 1 year duration only offer 2 subjects which you must obtain at least 2E for both subjects. You must pass for both subjects in order to eligible for the degree. KDU and BAC would be your choice for the express route A Level program.

Hope I can help you. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jhong @ Jul 3 2011, 08:25 AM)
Currently struggling in choosing institution for CLP......ATC/BAC? In fact, ATC offers partial scholarship for foreign university graduates (2:1 degree) that i need only pay RM3000....sounds attractive....Any thoughts?
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i just registered mine with ATC for RM3000 icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(amy_jacinth @ Jul 3 2011, 10:11 AM)
i just registered mine with ATC for RM3000 icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yes, i know right? how attractive ! RM 3000 is really cheap ! But BAC has a better reputation in CLP, hence why i'm struggling. Who knows i'll be seeing you in ATC ?
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QUOTE(jhong @ Jul 3 2011, 06:57 PM)
Yes, i know right? how attractive ! RM 3000 is really cheap ! But BAC has a better reputation in CLP, hence why i'm struggling. Who knows i'll be seeing you in ATC ?
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i don't always go to the better reputation institution so it doesn't matter much to me laugh.gif
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Can Anybody anwer me this question?

What is the 3rd yr subject for LLB?

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