yup..=)
thats the main prob.haha.
i really dont know wats my plan..arrgggh.

yea of course it's hard to get into NUS ler xD
UOL external in BAC is abt RM30k+ i guess?

I am well aware of that. It just seems to me that he has given up before he's even tried.

I'm assuming you're in Form 5 now. The situation here is that you can't afford to do a full 3-year degree in the UK (and probably anywhere else - NZ and Aus aren't cheap either).If you really really really want to practice law in Singapore, you have one real option. Do STPM/A'Levels and study your butt off. Get into NUS or alternatively UM/UKM (I believe they're recognised).

There's no point moaning about how hard it is to get somewhere and not knowing what to do with your plans. The first step of any plan you make should be to really really really study HARD. Even if you do go to NZ to study law, you'll still have to work your butt off to get into 2nd year. If you want to go places, there's no easy way.

I've just passed my intermediate exam LLB.. for those spm leavers dont even consider taking up this degree if you are not committed to the fullest.. I mean if you read a book you read every single word type of person...

It is a hard road and a almost death road for short cuts people like me.. It is my biggest regret of all time taking up this degree with all the money spent and the chances of just passing the degree is 50% not to mention a Lower class honours.. even lower..

Now that i'm halfway, i'm stucked and have no where to go but to continue. What my future holds I'm not sure myself. Now trying to get a fulltime job with my intermediate result and it is tough because it is not a complete certification. I've applied for cheque clearing, service bankers, even data entry jobs, and failed. Not that I don't possessed the skills but they just don't look at it when I mentioned my qualification as 1st year of LLB.

When they think it is nothing, I would like them to try doing that paper and to realize how much effort one must put in in order just to pass it. And the 1st year is considered a Diploma as well.

When some say reading the law requires no skills and only memorization, that is a total flawed statement. Yes, to read law all one needs to do is read. But there is a process where you will need to absorb the knowledge and to apply it on various different situations in a limited time, to be able to do that requires a skill where if one doesn't train the brain to so, will never able to do it.

So for those employers out there who think that law graduates are bunch of book worms then it is a sorry perception to our nation that have such undermined thinking.

You can think that you too can just read up and sit for the exam so long as you understand. But the fact that even if you understand, you will not certain able to answer the questions. Why? Because you think that you know but you actually don't. That is why the saying goes don't judge a book by its cover and certainly don't judge its contents when you don't even know what it is all about. But the fact that employers do have their reasons on recognition and the fact that law graduates are all hard work but not getting the deserved recognition.

I would dare to say if one compare with any general business degree, reading law requires 5 times or more brain power for the purpose. So no offence on other degrees, but if employers are to determine the CPGA and honours level, than I'm very sure that it is not accurate to judge a Second Upper Class business degree with a Law degree, simply because of the reason I mentioned above. Still I might not be correct on all terms but this is what I'm seeing though. Good luck to myself and all the law readers on this hard blurry pursue.

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Added on October 3, 2008, 10:19 pmRegarding the External or Internal degree issue. this is another frustration I would like to voice. I am a External student of UOL. Yes, the difference relating to experienced lecturers and university environment is very true. How i wish to be overseas and experience that as well.

But the fact is that what really matter is the financial factor. I do not have that capacity so I'll do the external course. So is that how employers will judge on its recognition too? No money. no recognition? That has been the fact and how it is like. I hardly can say anything anymore because it seems like what I've been doing even to the completion of the external degree deserves nothing more than a so-so affordable self study degree. Is that how it is?

This post has been edited by vicebet: Oct 3 2008, 10:19 PM

I need to buy a good and complete law dictionary. not those mini mini pocket books. i wan a big complete one. planning to go buy at kinokuniya but no idea which one is better. can any law veterans here recommend me a good one?

complete? im using the "Dictionary of Law" by Curzon. it's ok. i've referred to it twice in the last 2 years.

lol u nvr use it?

i've seldom used it. As a student i dun really think we need it that badly, coz all the relevant terms that we need to know are defined somewhere or rather in our course text. So there is little need to refer to it. I just got mine coz i like to buy things.

UM got Pre Law eh?What is the requirement and how long is the duration?

and the cert can use to continue do LLB at overseas?

I have no problems getting jobs though i have not complete my LLB degree yet, but then again those r part-time jobs and just earning it for the money, not the experience yet. I'm in my final year this year and obviously it's hard to get through all this, i'm also facing a tough time understanding the terms now eg.company law .

Anyway, abt the external and internal thingi..i'm also an external degree student. IMO i do not think there's any discrimination nor any advantage for those who came back from overseas uni's, u just gotta prove it. In my own views, i don't think those in UWE is better, coz their standard is low and u just need a pass. My own experience, lots of my friends who fail terribly in UOL only will switch there. So yea, one can wonder how is it there. I'm not sure abt the lecturers in the UK but obviously here in M'sia, the standard of marking is minimal.

u guys know whether malaysia have a law library full with UK Cases?

my college lib have it...quite updated actually... we called them UK Law reports... i think most of the colleges have it...especially the likes of ATC, BAC...

btw, i m in atc ...

BAC oso got.. but do u know how to find teh cases? i malas ask my lecturer again.. u know those cases for example Pagett (1983) All ER 768 macam itu. how to find ah? haha

lol i forgot how also but i remember is by seeing the last 3 things All ER 768

lol same.. anyway who's in BAC here? first year students any?

Modules problems !! HELP! :S

Im taking company law and Ive heard its a tough subject ! Is that so ?

does it really matter what subjects we take in LLB ?

im seriously considering dropping company law and go for consumer protection, this , is a much easier subject.

Any opinions ?

hmm, never trust wat u heard of...from my experience, the subject they told me is hard is usually easier than what they said as easy...It actually varies with ppl...some find company law hard and some find consumer protection hard...it depends on individual...u shud take some time reading both...In my time, i actually attend both classes for the 1st month before i decided...and found the right 1...

and whether company law or consumer protection, it has an impact on what field u plan to take in future...think twice...

i'm in BAC but final year student

i'm also taking company law and now also feeling wanna die lol..damn confusing and complicating xD at this juncture i prefer part I subjects lol but then again i complained the same thing when i 1st started trust and land so maybe it would take awhile ler to get used to it and slowly understand it though land and trust almost finish the syllabus only i understand it lol

i thought of taking employment law xD but then for UOL external my college doesn't offer it. I think for Northumbria only have.

what? last year ady? no other ppl first year here? haha company law is in the last year right? no ppl taking international law in LLB last year ah? hahaha

yup, hmm BAC doesn't offer that subject i think and last year for the part 2 students i think they didn't really have options i think i meant for the UOL external ones..if i'm not mistaken they only have juris,succession,company and conflict. I'm not sure they have EU law last year or not but they do have it now.