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post Aug 19 2008, 01:54 AM

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Just wanna ask abt postgraduate studies.
Which university in Australia specifically Sydney is recognized by M'sia to do the LLM? because i only know that Deakin University in Melbourne is recognized here. TQ in advanced (:
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post Aug 22 2008, 02:18 PM

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Because Australian law would be different? so u have to do some research which universities' degrees r recognized in M'sia if not it would not be applied here?
Deakin is tying up with BAC offering LL.M here where one can do distance learning but i wanna do it over there. But Deakin is in Melbourne and i'm thinking to go Sydney so i'm just asking where any uni in Sydney has it and whether it's recognized back here.

Get what i mean?
And it's just for more qualification wise.
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post Aug 24 2008, 02:37 AM

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Ooo..okay thx (:


Added on September 2, 2008, 9:20 pmMay i ask..during the final year in LLB Part 2
which subjects that i should take? i know i should take the one i have interest in but the lecturers told me that most of the time, the subjects offered also no relevance in the real world eg.conflicts

But anyway, my uni also not offering that many subjects so i'm deciding to take up Juris,conflicts,company. The last subject i'm undecided abt it which is between Family or succession. Plz advise as to which 1 is easier to pass xD

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post Sep 9 2008, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(zohan @ Sep 8 2008, 07:18 PM)
thanks for the speedy reply.

without my careful reading on each and every word posted, u appeared to me like a practising lawyer. but the above made mentioned questions are still open to anyone capable of answering.


Added on September 8, 2008, 7:27 pm
relevant or not u wouldnt noe. it may not be relevant to ur work, ie Jurisprudence, but it will be relevant to your life or other subjects.

Conflict of Laws, as opposed to the common typo of ConflictS of Law, is one good subject to complement your knowledge on other subjects like COmpany Law. Some same cases emerge in both COmpany and COL.

what about Evidence? EU? IP?
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Evidence i've already done it in my 2nd year. I dun think i want to choose EU as a subject since i dun think i'll be heading to the UK to do the BAR and for IP, the college i'm going to does not offer that subject though i'm interested in it but anyhow i'm just asking for opinions.

Btw, schizophrenic..thx for the links. I'll look into it and would also be attending all the lectures for now before deciding.
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post Sep 11 2008, 01:54 PM

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evidence imo tongue.gif
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post Sep 17 2008, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(h0nesty. @ Sep 16 2008, 08:22 PM)
okie, im sorta in dilemma right now.
and i would like to seek for some advice.

is it a MUST to take sejarah in STPM if im interested in law?

as what i've heard, sejarah is easy to read and understands, when it comes to question they just screwed up, its HARD to get marks. that is why, most of my seniors failed their sejarah paper.
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not sure abt STPM, but i dun think it's neccesary?

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post Sep 25 2008, 10:54 PM

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well u can just go NUS to get a law degree then u're exempted from doing CLP here also lol laugh.gif
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post Sep 26 2008, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(history-maker @ Sep 26 2008, 10:23 AM)
yea.NUS is a goood place..but chances of getting in for Law  espicially is even  harder. hows the price studying in uk all 3 yrs?? not in london.
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yea of course it's hard to get into NUS ler xD
UOL external in BAC is abt RM30k+ i guess?
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post Oct 7 2008, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(vicebet @ Oct 3 2008, 09:21 PM)
I've just passed my intermediate exam LLB.. for those spm leavers dont even consider taking up this degree if you are not committed to the fullest.. I mean if you read a book you read every single word type of person...

It is a hard road and a almost death road for short cuts people like me.. It is my biggest regret of all time taking up this degree with all the money spent and the chances of just passing the degree is 50% not to mention a Lower class honours.. even lower..

Now that i'm halfway, i'm stucked and have no where to go but to continue. What my future holds I'm not sure myself. Now trying to get a fulltime job with my intermediate result and it is tough because it is not a complete certification. I've applied for cheque clearing, service bankers, even data entry jobs, and failed. Not that I don't possessed the skills but they just don't look at it when I mentioned my qualification as 1st year of LLB.

When they think it is nothing, I would like them to try doing that paper and to realize how much effort one must put in in order just to pass it. And the 1st year is considered a Diploma as well.

When some say reading the law requires no skills and only memorization, that is a total flawed statement. Yes, to read law all one needs to do is read. But there is a process where you will need to absorb the knowledge and to apply it on various different situations in a limited time, to be able to do that requires a skill where if one doesn't train the brain to so, will never able to do it.

So for those employers out there who think that law graduates are bunch of book worms then it is a sorry perception to our nation that have such undermined thinking.

You can think that you too can just read up and sit for the exam so long as you understand. But the fact that even if you understand, you will not certain able to answer the questions. Why? Because you think that you know but you actually don't. That is why the saying goes don't judge a book by its cover and certainly don't judge its contents when you don't even know what it is all about. But the fact that employers do have their reasons on recognition and the fact that law graduates are all hard work but not getting the deserved recognition.

I would dare to say if one compare with any general business degree, reading law requires 5 times or more brain power for the purpose. So no offence on other degrees, but if employers are to determine the CPGA and honours level, than I'm very sure that it is not accurate to judge a Second Upper Class business degree with a Law degree, simply because of the reason I mentioned above. Still I might not be correct on all terms but this is what I'm seeing though. Good luck to myself and all the law readers on this hard blurry pursue.


Added on October 3, 2008, 10:19 pmRegarding the External or Internal degree issue. this is another frustration I would like to voice. I am a External student of UOL. Yes, the difference relating to experienced lecturers and university environment is very true. How i wish to be overseas and experience that as well.

But the fact is that what really matter is the financial factor. I do not have that capacity so I'll do the external course. So is that how employers will judge on its recognition too? No money. no recognition? That has been the fact and how it is like. I hardly can say anything anymore because it seems like what I've been doing even to the completion of the external degree deserves nothing more than a so-so affordable self study degree. Is that how it is?
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I have no problems getting jobs though i have not complete my LLB degree yet, but then again those r part-time jobs and just earning it for the money, not the experience yet. I'm in my final year this year and obviously it's hard to get through all this, i'm also facing a tough time understanding the terms now eg.company law .

Anyway, abt the external and internal thingi..i'm also an external degree student. IMO i do not think there's any discrimination nor any advantage for those who came back from overseas uni's, u just gotta prove it. In my own views, i don't think those in UWE is better, coz their standard is low and u just need a pass. My own experience, lots of my friends who fail terribly in UOL only will switch there. So yea, one can wonder how is it there. I'm not sure abt the lecturers in the UK but obviously here in M'sia, the standard of marking is minimal.
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post Oct 9 2008, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 8 2008, 10:17 PM)
BAC oso got.. but do u know how to find teh cases? i malas ask my lecturer again.. u know those cases for example Pagett (1983) All ER 768 macam itu. how to find ah? haha
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lol i forgot how also but i remember is by seeing the last 3 things All ER 768


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post Oct 10 2008, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 9 2008, 08:51 PM)
lol same.. anyway who's in BAC here? first year students any?
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i'm in BAC but final year student tongue.gif

QUOTE(blu3_apple @ Oct 9 2008, 10:32 PM)
Modules problems !! HELP! :S

Im taking company law and Ive heard its a tough subject ! Is that so ?

does it really matter what subjects we take in LLB ?

im seriously considering dropping company law and go for consumer protection, this , is a much easier subject.

Any opinions ?
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i'm also taking company law and now also feeling wanna die lol..damn confusing and complicating xD at this juncture i prefer part I subjects lol tongue.gif but then again i complained the same thing when i 1st started trust and land tongue.gif so maybe it would take awhile ler to get used to it and slowly understand it though land and trust almost finish the syllabus only i understand it lol laugh.gif

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 9 2008, 11:07 PM)
hmm, never trust wat u heard of...from my experience, the subject they told me is hard is usually easier than what they said as easy...It actually varies with ppl...some find company law hard and some find consumer protection hard...it depends on individual...u shud take some time reading both...In my time, i actually attend both classes for the 1st month before i decided...and found the right 1...

and whether company law or consumer protection, it has an impact on what field u plan to take in future...think twice... smile.gif
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i thought of taking employment law xD but then for UOL external my college doesn't offer it. I think for Northumbria only have.
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post Oct 11 2008, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 10 2008, 09:14 AM)
what? last year ady? no other ppl first year here? haha company law is in the last year right? no ppl taking international law in LLB last year ah? hahaha
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yup, hmm BAC doesn't offer that subject i think and last year for the part 2 students i think they didn't really have options i think i meant for the UOL external ones..if i'm not mistaken they only have juris,succession,company and conflict. I'm not sure they have EU law last year or not but they do have it now.
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post Oct 13 2008, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Oct 12 2008, 08:21 PM)
urm..any college/university intro?
mean after i get a-level from what what U..
then go which U to continue degree or what?
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U want cheap or expensive 1? xD
expensive = Taylors, HELP all those lor
cheap = BAC,ATC, TARC
these r for A'lvls ler

After u pass A'lvls and if u r taking Law also same ler..depends on ur budget or preferences. Either the factors of price, location and also whichever place that offers the subjects u want or maybe the lecturers good or not.

Since i went to BAC for A'lvls till my degree now..i would suggest BAC lor lol tongue.gif
It's cheap, good location and established biggrin.gif
In my year of A'lvls the lecturers were good but back then there weren't a lot of subjects to choose from but now they have expand and offer more subjects lor..as for LLB, the lecturers in my years were good as well and i am referring to the UOL external programme since u can do it here all 3 yrs locally though u have an option to do it over in UK also lor..coz there r different lecturers for different courses as well. And what i heard of UWE, the lecturers sux xD so of course i recommend UOL external thumbup.gif

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post Oct 13 2008, 01:52 PM

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Added on October 13, 2008, 1:54 pm
QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 13 2008, 01:22 PM)
my year's criminal law and constitutional law lecturer is better than the UOL lecturers. feedbacks from my UOL mates. haha
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o_O and which is?
u're 1st year UOL external student rite? do tell tongue.gif

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post Oct 13 2008, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 13 2008, 03:12 PM)
i'm first year uwe student laugh.gif UOL students told me that. our lecturer is arnold. lol

eh nobody going to the DNA bill public forum? lol
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arnold? i never heard before..he's teaching criminal and public law?

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post Oct 13 2008, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 13 2008, 08:24 PM)
yeap. new guy i guess. good lecturer. still practicing law
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last time..lecturer for criminal was mr.joseph and tutorial was ms.puvanes and she's damn good ler..she taught me criminal and trust so it was my favourite subjects also ler..though in the beginning i didn't know what is trust xD thx to her..but she can be a little strict but when u know her longer, she's a nice person thumbup.gif
Public law was dr.anand and he's quite good in explanation rather than mr.rabinder xD dun like rabinder ler..dun un what he talks also zzzz
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post Oct 14 2008, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 14 2008, 12:03 AM)
rabinder is teaching the part time students now if i'm not mistaken lol.. when is your final exam?
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ooo icic
final exam next year may/june lor

QUOTE(yanniieee @ Oct 14 2008, 12:22 AM)
wait wait..
abit blur..
mean..after i take A-level...
i can straight go to degree?
how many years will u all study?
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yup straight to degree liao lor..hmm A'lvls 1 1/2yrs, degree 3yrs unless u fail then have to re-sit lor xD (but choi! touch wood lol tongue.gif)
then if u wanna practice as lawyer then take CLP 9months lor..chambering 9months (practical) then u get called to the BAR then lawyer lor whistling.gif


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post Oct 14 2008, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Oct 14 2008, 06:31 AM)
sei yan tao =.= i not yet take lawyer u straight say if fail..
ohh,mean A-level then degree..
like what they mention many UOL,brickfields..so many..which one is da best? how about taylor? mmu eh?
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just saying jek...lol tongue.gif
it depends lor..i'm at BAC btw flex.gif
things or what ppl say good to them might not be good for u, u know. So u gotta try it out urself. eg. the subject u like doesn't mean that other ppl also like ma rite?
taylor expensive lor whistling.gif
mmu local uni lor...but now the issue of them whether need to sit for CLP after their degree also not yet solved ler..if i'm not mistaken is this uni rite? xD or dunno which 1 lor..but some local uni lol..can't remember. Because there r some local uni which also offer law degree and they r exempted from CLp..once finish degree straight away go for chambering lor..but i doubt it's world wide recognized..maybe for M'sia only lor...

plz correct me if i'm wrong laugh.gif

QUOTE(ymjay @ Oct 14 2008, 02:45 PM)
why don't you take your a levels first
and take law as a subject..so you can determine whether you want to continue or not
if you do well then you're better off doing your law degree overseas in a good university
(if you can afford it)

once you finish your a-levels and decide to do UOL external, then you can always personally go to the colleges you mentioned to make further inquiries..
its your degree and career path...so take up the initiative.
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post Oct 16 2008, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Oct 15 2008, 06:55 AM)
MMU local uni? i thought private 1?
btw..what's CLP?  rclxub.gif
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i have no idea but then it's not yet exempted from CLP lor...it's just recognized by LAN i think.
CLP = Certificate of Legal Practice. U need to take it in order to practice as a lawyer (sign off as a lawyer) xD
though if u got the money can opt for BVC whistling.gif
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post Oct 17 2008, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Oct 16 2008, 12:08 PM)
if i were to study law in NUS, does tht mean i wont hv to do CLP if i wanna be a lawyer in Msia? btw, is NUS's law faculty hard to get in?
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according to the newspaper i read from lor..NUS is listed there also as one of the uni's which r exempted from taking CLP. And of course NUS is damn hard to get into so good luck!

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