The BVC is and was never recognised. :-)

Try petitioning to the High Court of Malaya with a BVC qualification and you'll have it struck out.

The Degree of the Utter Bar which grants the holder the title, barrister-at-law is the recognised qualification.

Like I said above, it depends on how s.3 of the LPA will be amended.

Anyone can tell you that it will be recognised or it will not be recognised but would you want to rely on that to decide if the English Bar is the route for you? Effectively, it is up to Parliament to amend s.3 (Draft amendments from the Gov..naturally).

Also, on a side note, do not limit your options to the English Bar alone. The admission methods always change and apparently, it is getting tougher. You'll be surprised that there are students (Malaysians included) who actually failed at least twice before passing at the Bar. The changes from 2010 would effective condone them as they will have a limited 1 attempt after failing their 1st sitting.

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I'm a law student at HELP.I can tell you that their teaching is very good...very unlike your usual college and secondary school style...i'm not sure if its the same for external progs like atc n bac, but as far as I know, the external prog actually gives the students very comprehensive notes on each subject. In HELP, they pretty much give u the important info and leave you alone to do most of the grunt work. Don't expect practical notes...the lecturers just give u outlines on each topic, so the backgrounds of the cases, statutes, diff opinions=please find it yourself. I think it's really useful that they force us to do our own research instead of relying on their notes. Also I think the HELP DTP gives a lot of flexibility bcos we can transfer either in the 1st or 2nd yr, and to so many universities as well.

So if you think you want all the notes, materials at your doorstep all nicely wrapped up for you with a ribbon on top, then the external prog might be better for you. It makes studying for the exams a lot easier, which is good in the case if evaluation is 100% exam-based. In HELP, because there's 20% allocated for assignment, they basically expect us to brush up on our resourcefulness a little bit more.

i'm not too sure abt how they do it at taylors, sorry,

thanks for your information! u are taking DTP right?which university are u tend to go?

HI all,

I just finished my undergraduate LLB degree last summer.
I was on the BVC, was doing it in Manchester met uni.
real unfortunate of me, i have to withdraw few days ago from my course. (seriously, BVC is tough and demanding)

what are my options now ? you guys have any suggestion ? what would you guys do if u were in my situation. gap year is a waste of time hm...

CLP ? how about doing australian bar ? or US ? they accept uk degree ?

The BVC for next year ( will be known as BPTC) is gonna be tough, thought of doing it next year...sigh

any ideas guys ?

may i know why you had to withdraw?

firstly there's no "australian" bar exam...secondly, for uk law grads, we have to enrol for a number of subjects at a uni in Aus in order to satisfy the Priestley 11 subjects first...

The BVC is tough, the CLP is hard to pass, nothing is easy...you shouldn't be concerned with the difficulty of the task if you're motivated and hard working enough...

No one said being a lawyer was a walk in a park...my recommendation, if you really want to do the bar course go ahead and work hard at it...

during your gap year, look for a job in a law firm...if you have the extra money and time, (or cant get a job)...just enrol for the CLP course and learn as much as you can about Malaysian legal procedures and the works...

i had to withdraw because i didnt meet the IELTS requirement, score of 7.5 in every parts. i thought i was fine if i could prove english is indeed my first language but now my uni doesnt accept my claim that english is my first language.

anyway, i was just asking about my options... cus its near the end of september and i dont really know what can I do now. so some ideas would be really nice...

was thinking of australia or US if someone could tell me more...?
what about studying the solicitor course in UK...

i think i can still register myself for the CLP even though it has already started about 2weeks...well malaysia unis are more flexible...

Hmmmm, should have cleared the language issue from the outset.

US
Decide on the state that you intend to practice.
Contact the respective state's Bar Association.
Find out if your qualification is recognised for purposes of sitting for the State Bar Exams. (chances are that you will have to sit for an LLM from an ABA accredited institution)

You'll get your answer from them that way.

Aus
I'll leave this to my learned friends practising in Australia to explain.

CLP
You'll only register for CLP exams sometime early next year according to the Qualifying Board's timetable. It is not based on the date that you register at the college. Therefore, registering for CLP at this stage may not be a problem for you.

Solicitor's qualification exam

The LPC is not recognised by the Qualifying Board. For you to be a qualified person in Malaysia, you need to be a 'solicitor in England'. Currently, you have to complete 2 years of training contract period before you can be admitted as a Solicitor there. Therefore, do consider this in light of the availability of training contracts in the England.

retake IELTS

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Added on September 28, 2009, 5:12 pmi suggest you wait for another year if you really have the desire to gain the qualification barrister-at-law.If you register for course which you do not like,you will regret.Do both also can.You can gain advantages by taking clp and bvc in two years..the skill of arguing,expressing your points,opinions and understand malaysian law and legal procedures.

This post has been edited by edennature: Sep 28 2009, 05:16 PM

Hi. Maybe it's out of the topic here, but how to be a magistrate in Malaysia?

Thanks

I appreciate your reply, problem is I didnt achieve the required score in Ielts after 2 attempts. okay i think i understand what ur trying to explain. bricksfield asia college just told me the registration to enter their college is closed. i might just talk to them again and bring up the point you made.


thats exactly what i thought. thanks . but after long thoughts, why take Bar in UK again if i have actually passed my CLP next year.. hehe...anyway thanks

I was personally put off by BAC's marketing and the sheer size of their student nos...so i went to ATC for CLP. ATC's CLP registration is not closed as far as i know, but even if it is, I can get u in.

i was also considering waiting a year and take the bar next year coz my interest in law only arose very recently, but i decided to take the CLP instead.

Not sure whether this attachment will work, but read it for info on practicing in Aus...
 To_be_a_lawyer_in_Australia.pdf ( 1.38mb ) Number of downloads: 37

any peer pressure between BVC and CLP,i heard that some peoples look down on clp..

the thing is that, it is widely accepted that the BVC prepares you better for practice than the exam based CLP even tho the CLP helps you better understand how the local system works, but at the end of it, it is how good you are and what you have gained in terms of knowledge and skill all the way from day one of your LLB that really matters...Partners at Shearn, Zul R and RDL have made it known that what you get at CLP level is not important so long as you pass it...

I did the CLP for an added reason, (i cannot confirm this as yet), it may give added exemptions for the Aussie Priestley 11

i plan to do australian matriculation for pre-u.can i apply to help university college law degree by AUSMAT?i hope to transfer to university of manchester by year 2.however,one of the basic requirement is to obtain 1A2B in a lvl.i am planning to do AUSMAT,can AUSMAT be taken as a substituition for a lvl?

This post has been edited by minshuen: Sep 29 2009, 08:23 PM

i think it's best you speak to the HELP reps directly since this is a DTP Programme we are speaking of may differ depending on the agreement...Even if AUSMAT is accepted, they would be in a much better position to inform you of the uni requirements with regards to A level equivalents...

just sudden felt like clp is low standard while bvc is more prestigious.

This post has been edited by edennature: Sep 30 2009, 01:16 PM

I would discourage anyone from taking the bvc if the reason why they are interested is because they think that it is more prestigious.

are you reading law atm?


just to stir your mind -

My relative was recently offered a chambering position with RDL. They know his abilities and character thru regular meetings. My relative is a first year law student.

Zaid Ibrahim graduated from UOL Ext. Singapore Law minister is a First Class LLB grad from NUS.

My friend was offered a position with Karpal Singh with the latter not even looking at his qualifications.