Like I said, there is a distinctive difference between "Best Manager" and "Most Successful Manager".

Try looking the whole topic from a different aspect. A best manager can be someone who hasn't won any titles, yet is well respected in the industry for his ethics, work rate, relationship with his players, the referees and other managers etc.

This post has been edited by blinky: Jan 8 2009, 06:25 PM

if u got so many facts n reason to counter on the best manager i ever mention, why cant u mention one of ur own opinion on best manager?

The fact that I counter the best manager you mentioned which is SAF is because he is not the best manager and I cant see why some other people(Example: clsiluf) can label other constructive poster like Duke Red as boh song fans .

And replying a discussion doesnt mean I have one of my own in my mind.

Example:
You disagree that Torres girlfriend is hot...Does that mean you have hotter girlfriend? Not really.

It's only discussion. And if u really demand one, Shankly is the best but he is not from our time.

the discussion is on manager of our time, so the best only can come among those listed in the poll.. is it that hard for u find one best manager in the list?

Does it really matter who my choice is? It looks like you have nothing else to say and merely post for the sake of arguing.From just now the post about journalists until now...Whats wrong with you?You merely dig out an unrelated question then ran away from it and back with another unrelated question...

And gwong is right...You clearly not happy that I say SAF is NOT the best which is why you keep asking me who is the best manager in my mind so that you can counter me..LOL...Give it a rest and I m tired to reply your posts which are getting more and more ridiculous and out of topic...




You are right dude...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jan 8 2009, 07:02 PM

of our time or of YOUR time?

in this way the poll is of cos flawed, since there are other managers already mentioned here not in the poll.

Well said..Just like no body is perfect. All managers have good and bad side of them. But to me, Mr.Lippi brought Juventus to 3 CL Finals in 4 Years. Thats good enough for him to be no.1 in my heart and he did badly when he was with Inter for a season.

This post has been edited by gwong: Jan 8 2009, 07:29 PM

lol...every thread that have title "the best.....in football" will end up as a man utd bashing thread....wtf...back to the topic guyz....get live dude...

ok i make the conclusion for the best/great/good/excellentwhatever manager n i divide it to the each top league...those listed manager is a manager that i have ever seen with my own eye...

england/epl = sir alex manager
seria a/italy = marcelo lippi
germany/bundesliga = otzmar hitffield
la liga = i have no idea....vicente del bosque maybe???

harry redknapp
jose mourinho
guus hiddink...
capable to bring any national team to the final round of the tournament....

That is still okay for you guys Man Utd fans. For us non-EPL fans? Surely difficult to join the discussions. I always checked discussions thread with a certain topic title, and I would surely find EPL fans arguing there Posts with valid points still okay, I am always willing to read. But there are also a lot of pointless posts. Some of them are accusing or insulting one another. How come?

About your list, being a La Liga followers, I also can't think anybody other than Vicente del Bosque. That is not because La Liga didn't have many good tacticians, but La Liga clubs are usually impatient with their managers, and were so demanding. So once the club succumb into crisis, managers will surely be fired. As a result, there is no 'longevity' needed to be considered as the best. Example? Most recent is Schuster of course. Barca also have the history showing that they are also impatient with their managers. Err, I'm not talking about Rijkaard though, I am talking about Barca coaches before he took over.

rijkaard is good too...winning two la liga title n ucl before...but barca fan n board is impatient....two season trophy less n he is kicked out...yeah u are right....in la liga/spain the club is usually impatient with their manager.....real madrid is the most impatient club in la liga n europe....i bet that juande ramos will be kicked out next season....

Best manager? SAF???? Pfffftt... It's gotta be Terry Fenwick..

From Portsmouth to Northampton to... errr how to spell this? (copy pasta): San Juan Jabloteh.. He's gotta be the best manager ever!

At times we see some sore losers posting posts full of sarcasm, acting like an idiot, trying to be sarcastic, seeking for more attention...

Report me for personal Attack? Nah, I din say anyone...And I wasnt referring at anyone...

Anyway, yes, I agree with maxizanc, SAF?Pfffftt...He is not even the best...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jan 9 2009, 12:24 AM

Don't forget some of the 'best manager' alongside him:

Graeme Souness, David Platt, Glenn Roeder, Alan Ball, Jim Fallon, and Egil Olsen

And Frank O'Farrell , no?

Owh, he's even better, managed Man Utd for a year and half (i think), won not even half of total games managed. That's a good record..

One could argue that winning the World Cup with a "big" team is easier than winning a the domestic league. It is akin to comparing winning the Champions League to winning the Premiership. If you say that it's tougher to win a cup competition then Rafa should be in with a shout having brought us to 3 semi-finals in 4 years, 2 being final appearances. It is in my opinion that it's tougher to win the league simply because the season takes it's toll on players and you have to rotate your squad wisely.

It really depends on what you define as "bashing". With the exception of a couple of posts, others have been aimed at giving differing viewpoints into why SAF may not be the "best" even though he is the most successful in "our time". For what it's worth I already voted for SAF however I also posted statistics to show that he isn't the most winningest manager. It doesn't change my opinion but I also want to analyse it from differing viewpoints. Instead of claiming that you are being ill treated by rival fans, much like how SAF thinks the whole league has a bias against you lot, why not provide counter arguments? In the end, the facts won't lie.

How then do you measure who the "best" manager of our time is? Its a pretty subjective question don't you think, since there's so many factors to take into consideration and theres no way to find the right answer. Duke has pointed out that Fergie isn't the best when it comes to winning ratios, and Shankley has nothing on Hitzfeld, but does that make the former more inferior than the latter? Hardly enuff evidence to say so. Some like to see the number of trophies won, and even then there are many other names to throw into contention. And how do you compare the difficulty of winning thru the ages? Its a lot harder for a club like Nottingham Forest to win Europe's most coveted prize today than it was for them years ago. What about head-to-head records? That will make Mourinho a favourite, becoz in his short tenure in England he's managed to outclass many managers. Then of course we see who's the best in their respective countries. Does being a manager in England make you a lot better than those who manage in the MLS for example? Like you all pointed out its very different across borders. The MLS has a drafting system, very different from what we see in England and other top footballing nations. Some countries have policies where the first eleven must consist of a required number of homegrown players. Makes picking the right side and acquiring alot tougher isn't it? And their attitude? Yea, Fergie's at times less than gracious when it comes to admitting losses, but very few aren't. Wenger also, for instance is very different from alot of managers in that he dislikes spending big money on players, prefers growing them from their roots and always seems to defend his crop of players, whatever the matter. Of course this can go on for days and we'll never see the light of day on this issue. Like I said, there are too many equations to be taken into consideration. Am I saying that anyone heres right or wrong? No. Becoz its hard to put a nail on the correct answer. I'd rather rank them on tiers, like how Fergie, Paisley, Stein and Shankley are a few of the top ones, while the likes of Jose and Rafa still have a lot to prove before getting himself on to that list.

On an ending note, if you were to pose that exact question to me ("Of our time") and I had to give a direct answer, and seeing that "my time" would be the last 20 years - with only half of that spent watching the sport - then I'll tell you Sir Alex Ferguson. Call me a biased, Manc loving idiot all you want, but I'll stand by my decision. Its all subjective anyways, like how some Liverpool fans insist that Torres was Euro 08's best player and that Ronaldo crying after getting knocked out of a international tournament makes him less of a player and more of a crybaby.

This post has been edited by Hevrn: Jan 9 2009, 02:37 PM

club: SAF - his records speak for itself. arsene wenger will always be a 2nd fiddle; till he can win the euro holy grail.
rafa was good in euro. remember he has a very good record in la liga. and they're topping the table in bpl at the moment. could be the kopites time.

country; bora milutinovic !! a fine example of how a good coach should be; the only person to have coached 5 different team to wc. including china!

to be honest, a manager that can win the world cup for malaysia will be automatically considered the best ever

Dont say win the world cup la...dont even think that we can even qualify. Pass the first qualifying round also lucky! As its not the manager's problem its the "kucar-kacir" footballing systems that causes our national teams to falls a part. You can only re-live good moments when we gave England a run for their money in the 70s.

So sorry for being out of the topic, a bit frustrated when you talk about the Malaysia footballing scene. The current scene is 1000% worst than when its Semi-Pro.

This post has been edited by gwong: Jan 9 2009, 03:12 PM