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cellfreezer
post Jun 16 2009, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jun 16 2009, 10:20 AM)
Let's see, if we're taking number of trophies into consideration, Fergie has won United 11 domestic titles and 2 european cups. That might not rival some other managers like Barnebau who had more european glory but i think he shares the same podium as Ancelotti, Del Bosque with 2 UCL title under their belt. Domestic glory is pretty much justified. That alone is something to be glorified.

Loyalty comes into the picture. No doubt, managers like Guus, Scolari, Mourinho, Keegan are great managers but neither had the steel to last that long with a single club. Arsene Wenger is another example I could bring into the picture, look at how he stayed and transformed Arsenal. He stayed for more than 10 years now? How many managers can actually do that?

I believe the main factor that separates a great manager to a great coach is management itself. Fergie has shown us in the past and perhaps recently? (with the offload of Ronaldo) that no one is bigger than the club and no one is indispensable. He's not afraid of making choices, even hard ones that might affect the club's reputation and chances. He'd sold some of the best players in the world i.e Stam, Becks, RVN and still United is one of the best clubs in the world. That's a great manager. The game is not based on strategy alone, that can only bring you to a certain level, mentality and team spirit brings you further and Fergie inculcates it in the team. The club, fans, players all respect him, how many clubs can say that with their manager?

And not many managers develop homegrown players. Fergie probably is the virtuoso in this area. The bunch on kids that won us the title in 95/96, and even the current United youth squad, they're all perfect examples. That's already a problem that when Fergie retires, there ain't another manager that could fill that void, except for Wenger but we know where his loyalty stands.

I'd say why Fergie is the best manager of all time is because of his undying passion to the game, his willingness to evolve with time, and his policies that is not self-centred but universally loved.
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Well, Makakeke, concerning building a successful team with players from the youth ranks, Sir Matt Busby did it a few decades before SAF.
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post Jun 16 2009, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(cellfreezer @ Jun 16 2009, 10:47 AM)
Well, Makakeke, concerning building a successful team with players from the youth ranks, Sir Matt Busby did it a few decades before SAF.
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Well i didn't say fergie did it first, I just mentioned that he was very adept at it. Of course who can deny the Busby babes and who knows what United could have become if it wasn't for the Munich disaster. What Busby did the next 10 years was legendary and I won't go as far as saying that he doesn't rival fFergie, but being personally attached to United and SAF's success for the last 15 years, SAF is still my best manager of all time.
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post Jun 17 2009, 04:45 PM

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i vote SAF, lookin at the current situation he is the best thumbup.gif

SAF ----------> flex.gif

me admiring him -------> notworthy.gif

MUfans --------> rclxm9.gif enjoice

ABU ------> cry.gif
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post Jun 18 2009, 01:31 PM

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But i vote for Luis Del Mora..
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post Jun 18 2009, 04:30 PM

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can i assume majority is Man U fans here? =)
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post Jun 19 2009, 12:31 PM

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Not a Man U fan, but don't think any other manager has so far been as successful as Alex Ferguson. Man U had basically dominated the league under him, lots of cup victory and lately they have been very strong in Europe, tho admitedly all the big four English clubs have been very strong in Europe.
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post Jun 23 2009, 01:07 PM

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post Jun 24 2009, 11:19 PM

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AF FTW!
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post Jun 26 2009, 03:05 PM

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from my point of view..i think the best manager would be one who go to others club/country and help them win something or at least lift the ranking up.. Lippi and Guus are quite good...Capello also good..

i am not saying that SAF is not good..but he is only in 1 club.. if he moves to other clubs..i still doubt he can do it again.. but apart of loyalty.. he is the most loyal manager to the club..
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post Jun 27 2009, 03:24 AM

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for me.. i think guus hiddink.. he change the south korean n chelsea.. make chelsea 'rise from the death'..
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post Jun 27 2009, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Jun 26 2009, 03:05 PM)
from my point of view..i think the best manager would be one who go to others club/country and help them win something or at least lift the ranking up.. Lippi and Guus are quite good...Capello also good..

i am not saying that SAF is not good..but he is only in 1 club.. if he moves to other clubs..i still doubt he can do it again.. but apart of loyalty.. he is the most loyal manager to the club..
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1 club is not really correct. He brough Aberdeen from being a mid-table team to perennial champions, breaking celtic and rangers' dominance. In scotland and the level of football there, its the same as taking stoke and winning the EPL
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post Jun 27 2009, 07:11 AM

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Sir Alex is the best IMO. He did a great job at Aberdeen like the guy above me mentioned. When he arrived at Man Utd, they were just a mediocre mid table team.

What I admire about Ferguson and Wenger is how they build rather than buy. They didn't have the biggest budget when they started, so they gradually built the team, bringing in 'unknown' talents and developing the youth team. A club that builds a team will have longer lasting success compared to teams that are 'bought'

National coaches are difficult to judge. They're only busy during the off-season and can only win trophies perhaps every 2 years. But credit to the managers who go to foreign lands, overcoming the culture and language barrier to do a great job. In this case, top marks to Guus, who did a fantastic service to Korean and Russian football
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post Jun 27 2009, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 26 2009, 10:01 PM)
1 club is not really correct. He brough Aberdeen from being a mid-table team to perennial champions, breaking celtic and rangers' dominance. In scotland and the level of football there, its the same as taking stoke and winning the EPL
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stoke is not the midtable team..they fight to avoid relegate..yes..aberdeen is one of his early club.. yet i admit he is among the best manager...but not the best..

you can check sir matt busby for man utd..and shankly for liverpool ofcourse...how he transformed from low class or low division until liverpool won division 1 title..

so IMHO..SAF is the best manager for 90s and 00s and for the club only..

the country manager is totally different..they get pile of pressure from millions of people..u can see how england supporters pressure their manager..the media..

they need to choose players.. and they only have 2-3 weeks or 6-7 weeks for team preparation..

best manager is so general..and it is so difficult to determine who.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(airiholic @ Jun 27 2009, 07:11 AM)
Sir Alex is the best IMO. He did a great job at Aberdeen like the guy above me mentioned. When he arrived at Man Utd, they were just a mediocre mid table team.

What I admire about Ferguson and Wenger is how they build rather than buy. They didn't have the biggest budget when they started, so they gradually built the team, bringing in 'unknown' talents and developing the youth team. A club that builds a team will have longer lasting success compared to teams that are 'bought'


It was different back then with player caps and such. Teams were forced to spend on developing homegrown talent because they didn't have the luxury of playing a team full of foreigners. Today it's simply cheaper to pinch developed youngsters from foreign land. It's the reason FIFA wants to impose the 6+5 rule in 2010, in order for clubs to focus on youth development once more. When was the last time you've seen a bunch of local lads turn out for Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd or Arsenal? For that matter, Wenger did buy, only that he went for youth rather than established internationals.

QUOTE(airiholic @ Jun 27 2009, 07:11 AM)
National coaches are difficult to judge. They're only busy during the off-season and can only win trophies perhaps every 2 years. But credit to the managers who go to foreign lands, overcoming the culture and language barrier to do a great job. In this case, top marks to Guus, who did a fantastic service to Korean and Russian football
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It's a whole challenge all-together like you mentioned, hence the respect managers who attain success at both club and international level get. I think it's unfair to say they're only busy during the off-season, which incidentally differs depending on which regions your players are playing in. It isn't easy trying to monitor players plying their trade in 5 different countries. It's even harder to have them train together given the resistance they'll face from club managers especially during cup games. I don't think one is easier than the other, just different.

QUOTE(Max_07s @ Jun 27 2009, 10:55 AM)
stoke is not the midtable team..they fight to avoid relegate..yes..aberdeen is one of his early club.. yet i admit he is among the best manager...but not the best..

you can check sir matt busby for man utd..and shankly for liverpool ofcourse...how he transformed from low class or low division until liverpool won division 1 title..

so IMHO..SAF is the best manager for 90s and 00s and for the club only..

best manager is so general..and it is so difficult to determine who.. rclxub.gif
Which makes it a good topic for discussion, that it's subjective. It's therefore important for people to back their choice up with an opinion. Is it down to trophies alone? Depends on how much reading you do I suppose. Rinus Michels introduced "Total Football" and yet, no one mentioned him when we were discussion the best manager of all time. I know the discussion is limited to best manager of our time but we digressed for awhile.
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post Sep 18 2010, 01:30 AM

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Proof that SAF doesn't spend money in order to achieve success!! Respect to him..

While the other teams like Chelsea, Manchester City, Real Madrid, and Barcelona spend like mad....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports..._100398702.html
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imma jose fans becoz of him i have no favourite football club..hehe
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QUOTE(Golden @ Sep 18 2010, 01:30 AM)
Proof that SAF doesn't spend money in order to achieve success!! Respect to him..

While the other teams like Chelsea, Manchester City, Real Madrid, and Barcelona spend like mad....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports..._100398702.html
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The article is in context of this season. It can't be used as a blanket statement. I've said earlier that Ferguson has done well building a solid team over the years so much so that he doesn't need to have the best players to win games but all managers spend.
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me vote 4 SAF due 2 the fact that he is still here 2 stay with man united since 86...that is absolutely crazy n that time still no trend of sacking managers so fast unlike now...respect the club 4 waiting 6 more years 2 land the club 1st trophy...gotta admit that he is very lucky not in the fast sacking trend unlike now...i really lost count how many unlucky managers got sacked in other clubs while SAF still staying put here like the club is his 2nd home s a grand daddy laugh.gif
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Success is never instant but in today's game, an injection of cash comes with expectations of just that. Football has become a business and like any business, the investor wants to see returns in as quick a time as possible.
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well for now, it has got to be Mourinho.
Porto won UCL under him.
Chelsea broke manu domination under him.
Inter won treble under him.
Now he is out to conquer Spain.

SAF on the other hand has always stayed in his cozy little manu hut where else Mourinho proved that he can be successful anywhere, manage any group of players, rebuild any team (RM pending)

some might argue that SAF has more trophies but do bear in mind that Mourinho only started managing 10 years ago

This post has been edited by jiidaineko: Sep 20 2010, 11:54 AM

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