Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences?
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May 29 2008, 07:10 AM, updated 15y ago
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Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences?
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May 29 2008, 07:38 AM
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That day was be your bad hair day. Kidding!
So still didn't encounter that. Touch wood! |
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May 29 2008, 07:45 AM
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That would be a nightmare. Hopefully, somebody in LYN works in the bank and can explain what to do.
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May 29 2008, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? then the next working hour, you need report to maybank ... or they will have a record who the last person use it when the machine stuck ... and will bank in the money for u automatically ... |
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May 29 2008, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? My case was with the ATM machine. I tried to withdraw the $$ but no $$ was coming out from the machine but the receipt showed that the $$ was out |
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May 29 2008, 08:54 AM
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Thanks for the replies.
Lol really need to touch wood |
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May 29 2008, 09:01 AM
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Even if that happens, make sure you keep the receipt (if any) in order to report to the authority. If not, just make sure your face appears clearly in their CCTV, lolz.
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May 29 2008, 10:15 AM
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May 29 2008, 11:52 AM
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Hmm .. so far I haven't encounter such situation before.
But the worse one I got its half way processing then .. its written there Out of Service - Transaction Cancelled. Refunded my money .. |
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May 29 2008, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(HughieRmX @ May 29 2008, 11:52 AM) Hmm .. so far I haven't encounter such situation before. It sucks big time because the cash deposit machines always out of service on the 1st or 2nd day of the month. But thank God there's m2u But the worse one I got its half way processing then .. its written there Out of Service - Transaction Cancelled. Refunded my money .. |
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May 29 2008, 12:22 PM
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it happened to my friend, by 6am he wants to deposit the money who knows after he put in his money and appear OUT OF SERVICE. He just went back and couldnt sleep and waited until working hour then go make report
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May 29 2008, 01:06 PM
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there is an emergency number that you supposed to call when this thing happened.
the number is printed on maybank's atm card. it happened to me twice, once with atm machine and another with the cheque deposite machine. i call the number on both ocassion and the officer in charge is kind enough to get back to me the very next working day to confirm and ask me to proceed with the report. maybank credited the atm's one after 15 working days while the one with the deposite machine i get beck within 3 working days. just make sure you reported the incident a.s.a.p to maybank to avoid misunderstanding. |
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May 29 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(yngwie @ May 29 2008, 03:30 PM) there is an emergency number that you supposed to call when this thing happened. tht's good. the number is printed on maybank's atm card. it happened to me twice, once with atm machine and another with the cheque deposite machine. i call the number on both ocassion and the officer in charge is kind enough to get back to me the very next working day to confirm and ask me to proceed with the report. maybank credited the atm's one after 15 working days while the one with the deposite machine i get beck within 3 working days. just make sure you reported the incident a.s.a.p to maybank to avoid misunderstanding. last time i have this thinking tht, if something really happened, point to the CCTV... see my face, ur machince got problems.... it's better call on the spot, in front of Machine, then u got the CCTV record n tele-communication record at the same time. haha.... |
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May 29 2008, 05:23 PM
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@yngwie,
U either make use of the machines so frequently, or Ur that unlucky |
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May 29 2008, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(lil`pumpkinz @ May 29 2008, 08:50 AM) My case was with the ATM machine. I tried to withdraw the $$ but no $$ was coming out from the machine but the receipt showed that the $$ was out same case here.. i kena twice.. one is maybank, another is RHB.. anyway, hvnt experienced b4 when depositing $$ .. TS, how u settle tis? |
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May 29 2008, 09:32 PM
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May 29 2008, 09:58 PM
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I experienced it once. I want to
I went to bank to make report on next working day morning. The money credit back to my account in the afternoon. |
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May 29 2008, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? if halfway, maybank will refund the money (mostly will credit it back to ur acc)if all the money is already in the CDM, and later it gets stuck, maybank will help u deposit the money to the recipient acc.. not the CDM machine didnt pass their QC, but mostly it gets stuck because some people deposit RM5 note, the note is in bad condition, etc. then will only the machine get stuck.. |
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May 29 2008, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? I experienced once.. I was depositing money..and suddenly it appear out of service..and my money jammed half way.. no receipt and no money refund. I quickly call maybank operator.. and it took me 10 minutes for someone to answer my call. Maybank staff really $ux.. They recorded my name and details..then next day, i went to bank again to take back the money. Scary Maybank Deposit Machine. It cannot accept large amount of money notes, better separate into few times to deposit, other wise it gets jammed again!!!! |
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May 29 2008, 10:50 PM
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i kena public bank's atm during withdrawal. atm machine restarted. Called to the bank and got bank my money the next day
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May 29 2008, 11:00 PM
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Wow... it sure seems like the problem occurs quite frequently too *gulps*
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May 29 2008, 11:21 PM
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but i thinks the chances among us kena this thing is very low....
maybe perhaps 1000 transaction only got 1 case? |
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May 30 2008, 07:49 AM
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Well I called Maybank in the afternoon yesterday and confirm with them that my money is stuck. They claim that the case is pending investigation and will return as soon as possible to me. I wonder how long will the investigation take?
Some of the posts mentioned half a day while some 3 working days. |
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May 30 2008, 08:01 AM
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My experience, I had 30k to bank in and the counters had more than 10ppl queuing. So decided to go for machine and divided cash to 4 parts. 1st and 2nd no problem, but 3rd part the machine took the money and showed me that I have ZERO 0.00 balance. Luckily it still shows the amount that I put into the machine. I did it during office hours and quickly find the bank manager. The amount was credited to my account the same day but after office hours. The officer told me it happens once a while.
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May 30 2008, 08:02 AM
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I face that one as well. Luckily is day time, i yell for the pak cik guard. ask him call officer come...then settle. Lucky is not night time
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May 30 2008, 09:16 AM
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How about atm giving extra notes out
anyone ? |
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May 30 2008, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(Hybz @ May 30 2008, 09:16 AM) I was never that lucky to get extra notes out Added on May 30, 2008, 10:16 am QUOTE(Hybz @ May 30 2008, 09:16 AM) I was never that lucky to get extra notes out This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: May 30 2008, 10:16 AM |
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May 30 2008, 10:22 AM
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I banked in and 2k kena makan
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May 30 2008, 10:24 AM
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Aug 25 2008, 09:13 AM
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haiz..sunday i got for deposit rm900...there got 4 machine..3 machine got ppl use so i use the last machine..at 1st nothing 1 still can heard de sound counting money wit de machine..but..suddenly my card jump out n de screen show out of service...suck..then i phone de number show at backside of my atm card..operator say tat our number is change to 1300-88-6688...$uck..after tat de operater told me tat need take report at same bank when monday lor..make me whole night cant sleep n need to ponteng school to do it asap...now going to de bank do report liao lor...
nex time not dare do it during non-working hour edi.. |
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Aug 25 2008, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? i encounteres it once with CIMB CDM Machine..if that situation arises..you need to call the 24 hour hotline no priveded immediately and informed them on the amount and branch you are in..they will then raise a complaint to the particular branch.u have to go over to the branch the next day to sign a complaint form..it takes 3 working days for them to credit the money back into the account you were suppose to credit..the CDM machine leaves a trail on every person using it and the last person who got his/her money stuck...the acc no you keyed in will also be showed together. your money will be save but the sad part is it will be another 3 days before you get it back...if the CDM machine is outsourced to a secuirty firm..then it will take a little longer.. |
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Aug 25 2008, 09:52 AM
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wow..lucky maybank working fast..juz now i go to de branch..they start to repair de machine...but i go to de office..i see many complain de paper lor..look like every day also will stuck de lor cuz i see many form still pending n le de money 1 packet 1 packet ane de lor...she told me will be bank in for me b4 11 am lor
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Aug 25 2008, 02:51 PM
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Jingle,
Did Maybank charge you RM15 to get your money back? In my case, they charge me. This post has been edited by Icehart: Aug 25 2008, 02:51 PM |
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Aug 25 2008, 04:29 PM
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Bloody hack...it's their problem and caused inconvenience for you..and they still charged you?? should make some noise about this mah.
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Aug 25 2008, 06:07 PM
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i kena once in bangsa maybank lucky that is during office hour, just fill in the form and get the money back in one or two day .... they never charge but i kena charge once cause the ATM eat my card ........
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Aug 27 2008, 04:45 PM
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Aug 28 2008, 03:46 PM
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i notice most problems came from Maybank..
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Aug 29 2008, 08:43 PM
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Well I don't really like Maybank's Cash Deposit Machine afterall. Prefer Public Bank's.
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Aug 30 2008, 06:28 AM
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Always maybank only have system down cases at most of time
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Aug 30 2008, 08:14 AM
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If the machine did not return u ur cash, dont worry juz call the customer sercive. there's some journal/log inside the machine itself although ur trxn might not reached the host. anyway a piece of advise is dont do trxn near midnight, coz normally thats the time when the ATMs and CDMs will go out of service for batch maintenance job
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QUOTE(Chester @ Aug 30 2008, 08:14 AM) If the machine did not return u ur cash, dont worry juz call the customer sercive. there's some journal/log inside the machine itself although ur trxn might not reached the host. anyway a piece of advise is dont do trxn near midnight, coz normally thats the time when the ATMs and CDMs will go out of service for batch maintenance job mostly 11pm plus already out of service its very common wt |
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QUOTE(kumarr @ Aug 30 2008, 06:28 AM) Kumarr,When u have the largest no of ATM in the country with 6 million cardholders not including other comercial bank card holders who would frequent MBB ATM bcos of availability, then u r bound to have more downtime. But if u compared the no of MBB ATM against other commercial banks versus the no of withdrawals, then the downtime at MBB is the lowest among all. Icechart, PBB's CDM is copied from MBB as MBB were the 1st to use this type of CDM. Again, refer to the above to understand the problem. just clarifying. |
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Jun 19 2009, 05:10 PM
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last sunday,i deposit money but suddenly the cdm out of service and eat my money RM80.they say it will take at least 3 days to deposit to the recipients account but until today the money still not deposit.is it bcoz i am a 17 years old teen and they doesnt put high priority on me?or is it the money i lost only RM80?whatever it is, rm80 for a unemployed student is many and i want justice to be with me.is there any suggestion?
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Jun 19 2009, 05:16 PM
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hahah.. be warned.. your money will be the dinner party money for the 'pak guard' when they come and do the routine collection pickup at the ATM.
better report quickly.. or you have no case against the bank.. |
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Jun 19 2009, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(Redgrave_92 @ Jun 19 2009, 05:10 PM) last sunday,i deposit money but suddenly the cdm out of service and eat my money RM80.they say it will take at least 3 days to deposit to the recipients account but until today the money still not deposit.is it bcoz i am a 17 years old teen and they doesnt put high priority on me?or is it the money i lost only RM80?whatever it is, rm80 for a unemployed student is many and i want justice to be with me.is there any suggestion? You need to file up a form & submit to them, normally end of the day you should get the money back to your account.Check with the officer, no customer is small customer... Scold them if you have to |
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Jun 19 2009, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Jun 19 2009, 05:33 PM) You need to file up a form & submit to them, normally end of the day you should get the money back to your account. i already do the report and filled the form....but it seems they are not taking it seriously....Check with the officer, no customer is small customer... Scold them if you have to |
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Jun 19 2009, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(Redgrave_92 @ Jun 19 2009, 09:59 PM) Just relax and check your account balance everyday. Normally it will take the bank 2-3 business days to check and investigate your case. However, please post here if you encounter any "charges" from the bank to solve this issue for you. I got my balance deducted RM 15. |
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Jun 22 2009, 06:42 PM
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After painful one week of waiting and yet my money still not bank in yet,today at 2.00pm i go attack the maybank branch and ask them wtf is happening.the b#tch at the enquiries counter do some check on me and clarify that looks like the money still not bank in yet.yes,i know that b#tch and i want my money now!however,all she do is said "we already sent ur form.." and then "our manager is not here for awhile bcoz of lunch break,plz leave ur details here and ur phone no. here so he can call you.."and you guys know what?until know he still dont give me a call!!!i waiting liek hell for his call but nothing happen!HOLY F#CK!DAMMIT!
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Jun 22 2009, 06:58 PM
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This has happened to me personally. Halfway through the "counting money" sound, the machine just jammed & error.
Called up the bank, an officer came over and gave me a cash deposit form to fill up, then I left. Before end-of-day they already credited the money into my account. |
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Jun 22 2009, 08:21 PM
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lucky to be you,sucks to be me...T_T....
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Jun 23 2009, 12:25 AM
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easiest way, go to the branch tomorrow and meet the manager in person.
tell them if they still didn't give you a reasonable reason you will complain to bank negara. this is enough to scare them out. as what they do is unreasonable, the reasonable waiting period should be 2-3 working days. |
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Jun 23 2009, 12:32 AM
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Different case.... this might be out of topic but I just want you guys to know.
If you withdraw cash; no money comes out but the receipt deduct your balance.... DO NOT PANIC....I repeat.. DO NOT PANIC, That's just because the chip on the card isn't clean, clean it with something like your clothes and eraser and the original balance will return. This happen quite frequently. |
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Jun 23 2009, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE(Waltz_168 @ Jun 23 2009, 12:32 AM) Different case.... this might be out of topic but I just want you guys to know. How does a dirty chip result in money not coming out of the machine? Thats is a pretty weird error.If you withdraw cash; no money comes out but the receipt deduct your balance.... DO NOT PANIC....I repeat.. DO NOT PANIC, That's just because the chip on the card isn't clean, clean it with something like your clothes and eraser and the original balance will return. This happen quite frequently. |
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Jun 23 2009, 08:55 AM
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i experienced the same case too, the receipt shows money withdrew but in actual nothing come out.
luckily Maybank credit the amount back to my account automatically even before i made a complain. probably the chip can only verify my status but can't send or receive to command to withdraw money due to some residue on it that causes it unreadable. Added on June 23, 2009, 8:56 amfor safety side, do rube the chip of your atm card/cc frequently. this is one of the cons for chip. This post has been edited by sjz: Jun 23 2009, 08:56 AM |
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QUOTE(Chester @ Aug 30 2008, 08:14 AM) If the machine did not return u ur cash, dont worry juz call the customer sercive. there's some journal/log inside the machine itself although ur trxn might not reached the host. anyway a piece of advise is dont do trxn near midnight, coz normally thats the time when the ATMs and CDMs will go out of service for batch maintenance job you can try googled out to check some info..there are quite lot of experienced user in google |
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Jun 23 2009, 03:34 PM
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the branch name is maybank sentul raya at sentul,kuala lumpur.
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Jun 23 2009, 09:34 PM
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Everytime I experienced something, it's sure a weird thing..
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Jun 23 2009, 10:51 PM
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I have experienced my money getting stuck in the machine before. This was at Maybank Plaza Damansara. It was a Sunday. This is a very problematic machine and it always has difficulty recognising notes. I heard a funny clicking sound and the message 'maaf, masalah teknikal' or something came up. Immediately called CS and they credited my account in 1 week.
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Jun 24 2009, 09:14 AM
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Jun 24 2009, 01:41 PM
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i think if anything happen , better face to the CCTV to let them recognise..
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Count halfway system restarts.. sempat I take pics to show them
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Yala
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Dang..looks like there's alot of complain over Maybank. I personally experience few problems with them but just one problem makes me happy.
Months ago, I think someone bank in RM100 and leave it in the box and the ATM keep on alarm. So I go and see what happened as no one ever cares what's with that Machine. RM100 FOC. |
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Jul 4 2009, 10:42 AM
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for me, citibank deposit machines is the most lousy one.
coz everytime when i want to bank in for my credit card payment, i have to try many times to insert the bank note. they should upgrade their machine. like hongleong bank anc cimb is better than them |
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Kekeke.. How i wish i sooo lucky..
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Aug 17 2009, 01:51 PM
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this happen to me yesterday, sunday, banked in RM3000, machine counting counting then suddenly offline mode, this morning go bank fill up the form, just now lunch time bank called me said already banked into my account, this is for eon bank..
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Aug 17 2009, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(rayfoo @ Aug 17 2009, 01:51 PM) this happen to me yesterday, sunday, banked in RM3000, machine counting counting then suddenly offline mode, this morning go bank fill up the form, just now lunch time bank called me said already banked into my account, this is for eon bank.. Did they banked in the full amount back to you? |
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Aug 18 2009, 12:53 PM
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Aug 18 2009, 01:47 PM
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I saw once.The person infront of me.He deposit half way suddenly blackout.After that straight away out of service.I still remember it was on Sat.He needs to wait till Mon only can report to Maybank.Same branch.
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Aug 27 2009, 02:30 AM
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I am having a big troble here, I cash deposited 2350 in usj21 petronas maybank kiosk in the evening, when the kiosk is counting the money suddenly blackout then turn to the main screen. immediately i call he customer service to report, after 7 working day the bank told me the journal can't find any fact from the kiosk that I have cash deposited.. I stunned!!!! very panic now... is my money just gone like that? report police and faxed to maybank HQ hope can be resolve. the funny thing is the bank officer told me within the 7days investigation they didn't check the cctv... anybody can help me from here?
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Aug 27 2009, 09:47 AM
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My wife have similar situation, counting on the halfway then showing the screen the machine is unavailable to use now.
Not sure whats going wrong, maybe she put more than 100 pieces of bank notes. haha. Called to Maybank customer service and she said no need goto bank to report, they will send email to branch and branch will investigate further. She promise will call back to inform the status. So we jz keep waiting. After 3 days still no response from bank and call to find the same customer service, but unable to reach her. who know she didnt create report for it and claimed the report system was down that time. My wife very angry and insist want her to apologize or she will complaint to her supervisor. The another CS tried to apologize for her at beginning but my wife insist herself to apologize. At the end she called and apologize. Our case was settle next few days and get the full money bank in. Added on August 27, 2009, 9:51 am QUOTE(ynnosc @ Aug 27 2009, 02:30 AM) I am having a big troble here, I cash deposited 2350 in usj21 petronas maybank kiosk in the evening, when the kiosk is counting the money suddenly blackout then turn to the main screen. immediately i call he customer service to report, after 7 working day the bank told me the journal can't find any fact from the kiosk that I have cash deposited.. I stunned!!!! very panic now... is my money just gone like that? report police and faxed to maybank HQ hope can be resolve. the funny thing is the bank officer told me within the 7days investigation they didn't check the cctv... anybody can help me from here? Friend, so sorry to heard this. Good luck to you and hope u will get ur money soon. Do updates us on the status. This post has been edited by MoneySoSpecial: Aug 27 2009, 09:51 AM |
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Aug 27 2009, 12:51 PM
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anybody had experiance this method b4? need assistant... thanks
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Aug 28 2009, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(ynnosc @ Aug 27 2009, 12:51 PM) What you could probably do is to contact the relevant bank authorities and inform them about the incident. They will lodge a report with you and investigate the matter. All the best to you and hope you recover the amount you banked in. |
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Aug 28 2009, 09:39 PM
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what is the day and time u bank in the money? usually this happened weekend or night time.
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Aug 28 2009, 10:06 PM
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Aug 28 2009, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 28 2009, 10:06 PM) haha dude... mbb really so bad? which branch? usually this happened to my co is rhb always out of service during nite time. my poor bro even once the money stuck in the machine ard 3k and stuck half way. calling the center and they told my bro to let the money stuck there and will inform us next day evening. ended up my bro stayin OVERNIGHT with the machine |
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Aug 29 2009, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Aug 28 2009, 10:39 PM) bank in around 4.30pm wednesday 19/8 usj21 petronas stationAdded on August 29, 2009, 2:01 amI am just wondering what is the chances i can get back my money.... T_T Poor stupid kiosk... except calling up to the branch or related department what other can i do? posible to ask them show me the cctv? posible to bring up to court case? This post has been edited by ynnosc: Aug 29 2009, 02:01 AM |
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Aug 29 2009, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:02 PM) haha dude... mbb really so bad? which branch? Haha really? Your brother must be hoping that at some point or at some time, the machine will operate back by itself. usually this happened to my co is rhb always out of service during nite time. my poor bro even once the money stuck in the machine ard 3k and stuck half way. calling the center and they told my bro to let the money stuck there and will inform us next day evening. ended up my bro stayin OVERNIGHT with the machine Every CDM has one unique identity, just inform the bank and they will have the machine disable for investigation purposes. QUOTE(ynnosc @ Aug 29 2009, 01:57 AM) bank in around 4.30pm wednesday 19/8 usj21 petronas station How many days passed already? Have they done the investigation? Added on August 29, 2009, 2:01 amI am just wondering what is the chances i can get back my money.... T_T Poor stupid kiosk... except calling up to the branch or related department what other can i do? posible to ask them show me the cctv? posible to bring up to court case? |
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Aug 29 2009, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 29 2009, 12:52 PM) Haha really? Your brother must be hoping that at some point or at some time, the machine will operate back by itself. yeah they disable it. jst the pro money stuck half way. in the mid nite and called the centre and get the reply was sir, dont wry. we got cctv and yr money will be ssafe. be back to collect yr money next day 4pm. haha.. i know this is konon ridiculous. but always happened the same branch lol... tq anyway Every CDM has one unique identity, just inform the bank and they will have the machine disable for investigation purposes. How many days passed already? Have they done the investigation? |
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Aug 30 2009, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE(Minimayo @ May 29 2008, 12:22 PM) it happened to my friend, by 6am he wants to deposit the money who knows after he put in his money and appear OUT OF SERVICE. He just went back and couldnt sleep and waited until working hour then go make report this thread made me afraid to bank in money to buy ps3 games |
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Aug 30 2009, 06:33 AM
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Sep 2 2009, 04:51 PM
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Sep 5 2009, 03:32 AM
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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Sep 2 2009, 04:51 PM) lol, yeah online banking and if dun have mbb jst "waste" the transfer fee instead of facing this risk . what is MBB...on9 bankin using cimbclicks but after two transaction been charged rm2.00 right?don't hv maybank acc but always bank in to maybank acc coz game seller mostly use maybank... |
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Sep 26 2009, 03:42 PM
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A question, does the Maybank Deposit Machine accept the new RM50?
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Sep 26 2009, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(abang brother @ Sep 26 2009, 03:42 PM) yes, was deposit some new RM50 notes last week.By now, all CDM should accept new RM50 note since it is officially in use and replacing old RM50 note. BNM press release on new RM50 note |
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Oct 2 2009, 03:22 AM
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I'm one of the victim. On 15th September i went Uptown Damansara's Maybank to cash deposit into my own account. The machine took around 3 - 4 minutes to print out the receipt.
Unfortunately, i lost the receipt already..and after 1 day i check on my account only i realize the transaction is not updated into my account. Straight away called the customer service, that CS said will create a report for me, ask me to wait 7 working days to process. After 7 working days, called back and check. They said they cannot find my transaction / record. Decided not to waste time with those stupid CS over phone. ( waited 5-10 mins to get connected ). Walk in to the bank itself, an officer ask me to fill in a form and sign. She said by Thursday will deposit my money back to my account. Check my account justnow, still the same, nothing! Any advise of what other options left? Will walk in again in the morning to harass them..In fact, I will harass them every single day till they give me back my money. |
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Oct 2 2009, 03:56 AM
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beware of the fake 50 dollars notes, a lot of ppl kena d
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Oct 2 2009, 04:19 AM
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ask the staff check the cctv the day u use ur cash deposit machine....maybe u can settle ur prob
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Oct 2 2009, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE(kianlun @ Oct 2 2009, 03:22 AM) I'm one of the victim. On 15th September i went Uptown Damansara's Maybank to cash deposit into my own account. The machine took around 3 - 4 minutes to print out the receipt. escalation to the manager is the best way. ask for extreme fast respond as this has been ongoing for so long.Unfortunately, i lost the receipt already..and after 1 day i check on my account only i realize the transaction is not updated into my account. Straight away called the customer service, that CS said will create a report for me, ask me to wait 7 working days to process. After 7 working days, called back and check. They said they cannot find my transaction / record. Decided not to waste time with those stupid CS over phone. ( waited 5-10 mins to get connected ). Walk in to the bank itself, an officer ask me to fill in a form and sign. She said by Thursday will deposit my money back to my account. Check my account justnow, still the same, nothing! Any advise of what other options left? Will walk in again in the morning to harass them..In fact, I will harass them every single day till they give me back my money. if you want to go to the extreme, ask for CCTV recording on the day you deposit the money, ask for all the transaction for that machine that you used. well, i guess they will do all this even though u're not requesting, just that they're slow in responding since they have millions of transaction in a day. just make sure you escalate this as far as it goes. |
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Oct 2 2009, 07:40 AM
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QUOTE(kianlun @ Oct 2 2009, 03:22 AM) I'm one of the victim. On 15th September i went Uptown Damansara's Maybank to cash deposit into my own account. The machine took around 3 - 4 minutes to print out the receipt. I have heard many such incidents too and it all seem to happened with only one company > Maybank.Unfortunately, i lost the receipt already..and after 1 day i check on my account only i realize the transaction is not updated into my account. Straight away called the customer service, that CS said will create a report for me, ask me to wait 7 working days to process. After 7 working days, called back and check. They said they cannot find my transaction / record. Decided not to waste time with those stupid CS over phone. ( waited 5-10 mins to get connected ). Walk in to the bank itself, an officer ask me to fill in a form and sign. She said by Thursday will deposit my money back to my account. Check my account justnow, still the same, nothing! Any advise of what other options left? Will walk in again in the morning to harass them..In fact, I will harass them every single day till they give me back my money. |
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Oct 2 2009, 08:36 AM
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this is what I'm afraid of using maybank deposit machine. There is once
I was trying to deposit into my account but it takes longer than usual to process it. And I thought that this time I'm gonna be doomed as the the screen freezes, but thank god that the receipt is print out |
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Oct 2 2009, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(keeseng12 @ Oct 2 2009, 07:12 AM) escalation to the manager is the best way. ask for extreme fast respond as this has been ongoing for so long. Yeah i'll go find the officer later..thanks for the advise guys..hope can settle my prob ASAP. Next time i'll use M2U d..phobia of their stupid machineif you want to go to the extreme, ask for CCTV recording on the day you deposit the money, ask for all the transaction for that machine that you used. well, i guess they will do all this even though u're not requesting, just that they're slow in responding since they have millions of transaction in a day. just make sure you escalate this as far as it goes. |
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Went to look for the manager last friday. She said they will deposit back in my account on the day itself before 8pm..but till today still don't have..
guess I'll have to go back again tomorrow..sigh..i just hope they will settle everything asap..damn tired of calling here n there, travelling here n there.. |
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QUOTE(kianlun @ Oct 4 2009, 06:55 PM) Went to look for the manager last friday. She said they will deposit back in my account on the day itself before 8pm..but till today still don't have.. How much do you deposit?guess I'll have to go back again tomorrow..sigh..i just hope they will settle everything asap..damn tired of calling here n there, travelling here n there.. Remember to keep your receipt next time for references purpose. |
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Oct 5 2009, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Oct 4 2009, 07:10 PM) Deposit RM1k only..went to see the manager justnow..luckily she's quite helpful..help me call here n there to trace my record..finally..she got it done..but she said have to wait till tomorrow morning only will deposit into my account.Hopefully this is the last time i have to go there for this case..* touchwood * well will sure keep my receipt properly next time or just use M2U for transfer... Learnt my lesson the hard way.. |
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Oct 5 2009, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(kianlun @ Oct 5 2009, 03:43 PM) Deposit RM1k only..went to see the manager justnow..luckily she's quite helpful..help me call here n there to trace my record..finally..she got it done..but she said have to wait till tomorrow morning only will deposit into my account. Hopefully it turned out to be good for you. Please keep us updated on whether they credit back the exact amount or charges you any processing fees.. Hopefully this is the last time i have to go there for this case..* touchwood * well will sure keep my receipt properly next time or just use M2U for transfer... Learnt my lesson the hard way.. |
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Oct 6 2009, 11:42 AM
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Just check my account balance..they deposit back the amount for me already..thank God!!
they didn't charge any processing fees too..thanks for the advise guys..really appreciate it. |
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Nov 14 2009, 12:56 PM
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Just for your information, CDM refund - 3 to 7 working days, (if balancing detected amount are different from the customer provided, they will send letter to account holder), once u receive this letter, please proceed to branch to view CCTV and dispute.
If let say refund is still not successful, please don't waste time to call or visit branch, please raise complain straight away to Bank Negara Malaysia. Bank Negara Malaysia Jalan Dato' Onn P.O. Box 10922 50929 Kuala Lumpur Tel: 603-2698-8044 Fax: 603-2691-2990 ATM Cash Not Dispended, but amount deducted from your account, call customer care, they will raise dispute report. Normally this will auto reverse back to your account, within 4 hours. (but please still call customer care to report) Withdrawal failed on:- MBB its self refund is 3 - 7 working days. MEPS ATM refund minimum 30 working days. Oversea Bank withdrawal (Local) refund minimun 30 working days. Oversea Bank withdrawal (Oversea) refund minimun 60 working days. **Note: if withdrawal done on Bank Islam, Bank Rakyat, Bank Simpanan National, refund is must more than 30 working days. Normally this kind of department only few people working, so, refund surely take time. **Note: for oversea bank (oversea) refund take time, due to location, and verification issue, that's why its take time to refund. When you facing any rude front desk, you can go Maybank2u.com, under Customer Service tab, submit your feedback, remeber to get the staff Name, department, location (if branch). This post has been edited by David185: Nov 14 2009, 01:02 PM |
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Nov 14 2009, 04:12 PM
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It looks to me all the problematic machines are Maybank's. Been googling around and many people complained on their blog that Maybank ATM is not dispensing any money and the amount of money requested has been deducted from their account. Hopefully Maybank will rectify this soon.
So far i have never heard anyone complains about other banks' ATM such as CIMB Bank, Public Bank, RHB Bank etc. CIMB Bank ATM should be quite reliable as the maker (Wincor Nixdorf) of the ATM is also the one that responsible for servicing all the CIMB Bank ATM in Malaysia. |
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Dec 14 2009, 03:30 PM
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I also kena..Last thusday december 10th went to bank in rm4000 to my friend.....put in the money then the machine counting and couting then suddenly the screen display 'out of service' quickly call the staff..they give a form and then i submit the form....wait until now... my friend still havent get the money....go to branch they say must wait..wait... duno when only can settle the money...stupid maybank...
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Dec 15 2009, 01:08 AM
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this just happen to my mom , 1130pm 14 of Dec,Alliance Bank Kuantan, my mom called me, said that the CDM out of service during half way of transaction, call customer service but nobody pick up, my mom called the bank manager, guess he sleep dy, didnt pick up, went to his house look for him, nobody open door, end up go police station make report because sked the $$ didnt bank in successfully into the machine and pop out and taken by others..one advice, never bank in after office hour, you may happen to be the unlucky 1..
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Dec 29 2010, 05:31 PM
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Hi ynnosc,
How's ur case already? I'm facing same problem now. Google around and found having same victim. I face this problem in Maybank kuching here. I banked in money batch by batch (think of click done after put in all the notes). then suddenly return all the money(?) without counting sound. after that i tried to bank in with smaller amout. but found out the amount is less than what i deposited. Complainted to officer there immediately. but there is no action. telling me only KL office ( i dont know what office) can monitor. wow.. so advance? they still let ppl to continue use the CDM. The CS telling me they will bank in 3 days after . But nothing. after follow up. they said no such amount missing. the Machine log showned everything is fine. I complainted to BNM. seems like useless as well. they only look at CDM Machine log only. I am running out of idea now. Anyone else have the problem solve? QUOTE(ynnosc @ Aug 27 2009, 02:30 AM) I am having a big troble here, I cash deposited 2350 in usj21 petronas maybank kiosk in the evening, when the kiosk is counting the money suddenly blackout then turn to the main screen. immediately i call he customer service to report, after 7 working day the bank told me the journal can't find any fact from the kiosk that I have cash deposited.. I stunned!!!! very panic now... is my money just gone like that? report police and faxed to maybank HQ hope can be resolve. the funny thing is the bank officer told me within the 7days investigation they didn't check the cctv... anybody can help me from here? |
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Dec 30 2010, 05:02 PM
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I had a bad experience which CIMB atm machine.
I withdraw RM500 but money comes out lack of RM50. It happened in the midnight and no one I can complaint. |
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Dec 30 2010, 05:32 PM
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Dec 30 2010, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(lun_issac @ Dec 30 2010, 05:02 PM) I had a bad experience which CIMB atm machine. You can call their hotline to file a complaint.I withdraw RM500 but money comes out lack of RM50. It happened in the midnight and no one I can complaint. |
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Dec 31 2010, 12:03 AM
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hey guys,
ex maybank staff here if the machine goes out of service and you want a refund, actually have to wait a few days because need to do balancing just go into the branch and make a report. kinda sucks if we broke and need the money |
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Dec 31 2010, 05:40 AM
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Just report the thing early next morning .
Happened to me once but thank god still office hour so they can do a report. Write a form and state how much it is stucked in there and they will deposit the money back to you by the end of the day. |
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Jan 29 2011, 09:04 PM
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Wanna ask regarding the Cash Deposit Machine. I tried to bank in money for my car's HP loan since yesterday but it says " The payment is not accepted".
Just now I tried again, same thing happen. But when the money is used to transfer to other Maybank account, the transaction went smoothly. Questions: 1. Is it something wrong with my account (HP loan)? I never miss paying my car monthly installment 2. Due to CNY, the transaction is closed for a while? |
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Jan 29 2011, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Jan 29 2011, 09:04 PM) Wanna ask regarding the Cash Deposit Machine. I tried to bank in money for my car's HP loan since yesterday but it says " The payment is not accepted". Usually how you make repayment to the HP? Not sure if the CDM is able to accept such payment type. Just now I tried again, same thing happen. But when the money is used to transfer to other Maybank account, the transaction went smoothly. Questions: 1. Is it something wrong with my account (HP loan)? I never miss paying my car monthly installment 2. Due to CNY, the transaction is closed for a while? I always make my payment online using M2U. This post has been edited by David83: Jan 29 2011, 09:43 PM |
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 29 2011, 09:18 PM) Usually how you make repayment to the HP? Not sure if the CDM is able to accept such payment type. I always use CDM to pay the installment.I always make my payment online using M2U. No problem whatsoever. But only this month. |
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Dec 17 2012, 08:06 AM
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I accidentally inserted a RM500 note instead of RM100 into the CDM. Was depositing RM 200. 1 RM100 note and 2 RM50 notes. Saw the receipt and looks ok so I just go.
Later I check back my wallet, my RM100 notes is still there and RM500 is gone. I must have been careless. What should I do now? Can I get the RM500 into my account? An hour before the bank open. |
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Dec 17 2012, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(micpling @ Dec 17 2012, 08:06 AM) I accidentally inserted a RM500 note instead of RM100 into the CDM. Was depositing RM 200. 1 RM100 note and 2 RM50 notes. Saw the receipt and looks ok so I just go. RM500 is not legal tender denomination in Malaysia currently. Later I check back my wallet, my RM100 notes is still there and RM500 is gone. I must have been careless. What should I do now? Can I get the RM500 into my account? An hour before the bank open. |
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Dec 17 2012, 08:47 PM
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Dec 17 2012, 10:12 PM
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happen on cimb machine before.
they will call the security open and call u stand a side and guard by a shotgun guard. @@ |
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QUOTE(micpling @ Dec 17 2012, 08:47 PM) Ya the staff gelak at me hahaha! ok. Anyway, if the CDM capture the bank note correctly, in your case, will be RM100 + RM50 bank-in to your account, then no issue, it'll get reflected there.QUOTE(mickey1991 @ Dec 17 2012, 11:46 PM) happen on cimb machine before. Nowadays, I don't think they allow or do this way anymore.they will call the security open and call u stand a side and guard by a shotgun guard. @@ As the cash collection & distribution are sub-con out to 3rd party securities, the bank staff cannot jump-in to grab the extra cash. Proper procedure is, 3rd party collect all back to their HQ and do counting, and report to bank. Bank will confirm, then only refund you. Can take days. |
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Dec 19 2012, 12:29 PM
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521 posts Joined: Oct 2011 From: Pulau Pinang |
really? i oni face it last few weeks ago . haha
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Jan 18 2013, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 29 2008, 07:10 AM) Hey does anyone encounter the situation where when you are depositing your money halfway the machine fails and display "out of service" message? Just wondering what would be the consequences? U need to call Maybank services and give them the ATM merchine code den u will get a help from there |
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Nov 28 2015, 05:20 PM
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48,559 posts Joined: Sep 2014 From: REality |
Maybank has added more Cash Deposit Machines accepting all types of cash notes mainly RM1, RM5, RM10, RM20, RM50, RM100.
Make your deposit at the locations below: Federal Territories Medan Tuanku Rivercity Jalan Ipoh Jalan Pudu Jalan Tun H S Lee Wisma Genting K.L.Main Jalan Bunus Ampang Park KL Sentral Taman Tun Dr Ismail Bandar Sri Permaisuri Kepong Prima KLCC Seksyen 5 Wangsa Maju Taman Setiawangsa Sri Petaling Bukit Bintang Bangsar Baru Kompleks Dayabumi Jalan Kelang Lama Jalan Kuchai Lama Jalan Raja Laut Mid Valley Dataran Maybank Selangor Equine Park Giza Kota Damansara Cheras Selatan Kajang Prima Bandar Sunway Shah Alam Main Bandar Puteri Puchong Banting SS 2/63 Petaling Jaya Sunway Pyramid Pandamaran Putrajaya Damansara Utama Petaling Jaya Main MIB Taman Sri Gombak Rawang Kajang Port Klang Kota Kemuning Subang Perdana Taman Sri Serdang Kuala Kubu Bharu Kuala Selangor Negeri Sembilan Bahau Kuala Pilah Seremban Port Dickson Seremban 2 Pahang Jalan Beserah Kuantan Main Kuala Rompin Taman TAS Kuantan Melaka Taman Malim Jaya Alor Gajah Ayer Keroh Jalan Munshi Abdullah Melaka Main Johor Jalan Tebrau Bukit Pasir Batu Pahat Batu Pahat Taman Daya Taman Molek Johor Bahru Taman Perling Johor Bahru Main Kulai Taman Pelangi Pontian Kechil Jalan Zabedah Batu Pahat Kelantan Tanah Merah Wakaf Siku MIB Kota Bharu Kota Bharu Kedah Alor Setar Main Taman Ria Jaya Jitra Legenda Heights Sungai Petani Pulau Langkawi Terengganu Kemaman Dungun Perak Ipoh Garden Jelapang Menglembu Kamunting Pasir Putih Taiping Tanjung Malim Kuala Kangsar Sitiawan Penang Bayan Lepas Butterworth Penang Road Jelutong Penang Main Alma Kampung Bharu Seberang Jaya Perlis Kangar Sabah Kota Kinabalu Tawau Inanam Prima Square Sandakan Sandakan Lintas Square Sarawak Jalan TAR Kuching Kuching Selatan Boulevard Miri Sibu Central Batu Kawah Sibu Wisma Satok Matang Jaya |
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Nov 28 2015, 06:37 PM
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