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FireUp
post Aug 24 2014, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 04:51 PM)
In a hindsight, you should have read the policy or get someone with good english and/or financial literacy to read it through for u.

My insurance agent took the trouble to go through the policy document, line-by-line, page-by-page with me. You CAN and SHOULD HAVE insisted the agent to do that for you.

Let's say u are a buta huruf auntie/uncle, u can ask the agent to read and translate to u. IF she translate "you pay RM100 you MAY get back RM120" as "anda melabur RM100 anda MESTI dapat balik RM120", yes u can complain/sue the agent/insurance company til they underwear also lose. But the problem with u was, u DID NOT go thru the policy. I think u have to bear some responsibility/fault here.

But what is past is past. U already missed that 15 days "free-look period".

If I were u, I'd just surrender the policy and take back whatever that can be taken.

U can get better returns from a good unit trust fund or from buying some blue chip stocks than from such savings plans.
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Haha, ur example on the "MAY" & "MUST"is cute! but again, it reflect the similarity of the incident I faced too. Do u think the agent who translate wil admit he said "MUST"? Do u think the insurance comp wil stand with & take auntie uncle words or strictly stil insist on tgeir written policy "MAY"?
At the end, u think we can sue the agent til underwear oso lose? or we ourselves r the one with underwear lose actually? ><"

anyhow, my inner decision oso lead me to termination, just that u know... tak patah hati & fire up...
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 04:51 PM)

My insurance agent took the trouble to go through the policy document, line-by-line, page-by-page with me. You CAN and SHOULD HAVE insisted the agent to do that for you.
ur insurance agent so good?

can recomend to me?
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(FireUp @ Aug 24 2014, 05:09 PM)
Haha, ur example on the "MAY" & "MUST"is cute! but again, it reflect the similarity of the incident I faced too. Do u think the agent who translate wil admit he said "MUST"? Do u think the insurance comp wil stand with & take auntie uncle words or strictly stil insist on tgeir written policy "MAY"?
At the end, u think we can sue the agent til underwear oso lose? or we ourselves r the one with underwear lose actually? ><"

anyhow, my inner decision oso lead me to termination, just that u know... tak patah hati & fire up...
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ego vs $$$

u decide tongue.gif

sometimes u just have to eat your ego and admit u were wrong, take the loss and move on. u MIGHT/MAY end up better than if u were to persevere with a decision that was wrong in the first place. This applies to other life decisions too. smile.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 24 2014, 05:11 PM)
ur insurance agent so good?

can recomend to me?
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i dun wanna do that. later ppl think I'm dupe for that agent or u ppl think I help hard sell my agent here.
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 05:14 PM)
i dun wanna do that. later ppl think I'm dupe for that agent or u ppl think I help hard sell my agent here.
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i believe u no dupe

u share it out consider can help many ppl

wat insurance company?
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 24 2014, 05:19 PM)
i believe u no dupe

u share it out consider can help many ppl

wat insurance company?
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that guy sells no savings plans...in fact, he is ANTI savings plans and/or use of insurance as savings/investment. So, no need name him here whistling.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 05:20 PM)
that guy sells no savings plans...in fact, he is ANTI savings plans and/or use of insurance as savings/investment. So, no need name him here whistling.gif
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i wan buy other insurance

can he do free review of my insruance?
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 24 2014, 05:31 PM)
i wan buy other insurance

can he do free review of my insruance?
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u post at insurance thread.

many many many agents will volunteer whistling.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 05:35 PM)
u post at insurance thread.

many many many agents will volunteer whistling.gif
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I want ur agent coz u say will explain in dept of policy
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post Aug 24 2014, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 04:11 PM)
NEVER take the agent's words in deciding whether to commit to an insurance plan or not. U HAVE TO READ YOUR POLICY DOCUMENTS, that's what matters.

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for all insurance policy, normally the full plan proposal wil not be shown, the client can only rely on the talk 1st, then if overall ok, to sign on few pieces of papers (mostly medical background check, norminees confirmation, some personal information verification, payment mode - autopay by credit card or cash pay etc). Full skrip only come weeks later.
honest speaking, the full policy alwiz in medium thick book version, with all the specific insurance terms & wordings, wil anyone really read through in details & thoroughly?
sorry i didn't, u r right... is my mistake. sigh.

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post Aug 24 2014, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(FireUp @ Aug 24 2014, 05:52 PM)
for all insurance policy, normally the full plan proposal wil not be shown, the client can only rely on the talk 1st, then if overall ok, to sign on few pieces of papers (mostly medical background check, norminees confirmation, some personal information verification, payment mode - autopay by credit card or cash pay etc). Full skrip only come weeks later.
honest speaking, the full policy alwiz in medium thick book version, with all the specific insurance terms & wordings, wil anyone really read through in details & thoroughly?
sorry i didn't, u r right... is my mistake. sigh.
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that why i ask him to intro his agent to me
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 05:05 PM)
To be able to decide better, find a friend or someone with financial skills to calculate for u:

(a) if u continue with this plan, how much will u get after 20 years?

vs

(b) if u terminate this plan now, and use the money that you would have paid into this insurance plan had u not terminated it and invested elsewhere, how much will u get after 20 years?

E.g. (just a rough example to illustrate my point)
u pay RM1200 a year for another 17 years (this a 20 yrs plan, right?) for this plan, after 17 years u most likely will get back RM28,000

vs

u surrender now and get back RM1500. Take that RM1500 and invest. For next 17 years u invest RM1200 a year into a good unit trust fund(s), after 17 years u most likely get back RM35,000
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thanks bro (or sis? since u r pink ;p).
I understand wat u r trying to say & get the point.
initially the claim was on bank FD kind, similar flexi in withdrawal, but get higher interest return, & known to b a 10 yrs plan (claimed can withdraw after 3 yrs), thus I think ok to giv it a try.
but if ended up is a min 20yrs to break even or up to 82 yrs bounding kind, it was totally a koyak plan to me ady! (other protection may sounds ok to other ppl, but am not interested at all. Said is add on product for free then I don mind, but in fact it is not). Add to the worst, even after 10 yrs choose a conversion on fully pay up, it wil stil at a loss of rm10k-20k (depends on AIA interested pay by then whether 7% - 5% or lesser).
As shared earlier, it was totally a diff plan as the agent verbally claimed.

This post has been edited by FireUp: Aug 26 2014, 10:42 PM
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(FireUp @ Aug 24 2014, 05:52 PM)
for all insurance policy, normally the full plan proposal wil not be shown, the client can only rely on the talk 1st, then if overall ok, to sign on few pieces of papers (mostly medical background check, norminees confirmation, some personal information verification, payment mode - autopay by credit card or cash pay etc). Full skrip only come weeks later.
honest speaking, the full policy alwiz in medium thick book version, with all the specific insurance terms & wordings, wil anyone really read through in details & thoroughly?
sorry i didn't, u r right... is my mistake. sigh.
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aiyo, so fast forget already?

u have a 15 days "free-look period" AFTER you receive your policy to review your policy (which u will only get after u sign up for the plan). If u not satisfy or don't like the policy, u can cancel and get back 100% of your money. No need give insurance company any reason. They are obliged to comply with your cancellation request by law.
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(FireUp @ Aug 24 2014, 06:11 PM)
thanks bro (or sis? since u r pink ;p).
I understand wat u r trying to say & get the point.
initially the claim was on bank FD kind, similar flexi in withdrawal, but get higher interest return, & known to b a 10 yrs plan (claimed can withdraw after 3 yrs), thus I think ok to giv it a try.
but if ended up is a min 20yrs to break even or up to 82 yrs bounding kind, it was totally a koyak plan to me ady! (other protection may sounds ok to other ppl, but am not interested at all. Said is add on product for free then I don mind, but in fact it is not). Add to the worst, even after 10 yrs choose a conversion on full pay up, it wil stil at a lost of the premium of rm10k-20k (depends on AIA interested pay 7% - 5%).
As shared earlier, it was totally a diff plan as the agent verbally claimed.
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It is NEVER comparable to FD in the first place.

FD interest is calculated as % on the amount u place.
Savings plan "interest" is calculated as % on the SUM ASSURED'

They are 2 different things.

20 years is a long commitment. Now u just passed 3 years. If I were u, I'd cancel.
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 24 2014, 06:23 PM)
aiyo, so fast forget already?

u have a 15 days "free-look period" AFTER you receive your policy to review your policy (which u will only get after u sign up for the plan). If u not satisfy or don't like the policy, u can cancel and get back 100% of your money. No need give insurance company any reason. They are obliged to comply with your cancellation request by law.
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Pink spider, I rmb ur statement on this lar, in the same page ma smile.gif
I dy said I trust the agent & her professionalism ma, from head to toe (beginning verbal claim til the plan book itself), so didnt check, so 15 days free-look-period oso nothing lor. as the result, let agent fool me from head to toe lor :'(
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:32 PM

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FireUp, write in officially what you shared here to the insurance company. In the letter make sure you describe how the agent has misrepresented to you and clearly state what is your intention/demand. Although 15 days free look up period is over, you have the right to get your premium refunded as this is a case of agent mis-selling.
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QUOTE(Chigme @ Aug 24 2014, 06:32 PM)
FireUp, write in officially what you shared here to the insurance company. In the letter make sure you describe how the agent has  misrepresented to you and  clearly state what is your intention/demand. Although 15 days free look up period is over, you have the right to  get your premium refunded as this is a case of agent mis-selling.
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Yes, no harm trying. smile.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Chigme @ Aug 24 2014, 06:32 PM)
FireUp, write in officially what you shared here to the insurance company. In the letter make sure you describe how the agent has  misrepresented to you and  clearly state what is your intention/demand. Although 15 days free look up period is over, you have the right to  get your premium refunded as this is a case of agent mis-selling.
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Thanks Chigme.
Will write in officially better or directly go to their HQ office better?

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post Aug 24 2014, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(FireUp @ Aug 24 2014, 05:52 PM)
for all insurance policy, normally the full plan proposal wil not be shown, the client can only rely on the talk 1st, then if overall ok, to sign on few pieces of papers (mostly medical background check, norminees confirmation, some personal information verification, payment mode - autopay by credit card or cash pay etc). Full skrip only come weeks later.
honest speaking, the full policy alwiz in medium thick book version, with all the specific insurance terms & wordings, wil anyone really read through in details & thoroughly?
sorry i didn't, u r right... is my mistake. sigh.
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actually, prior to signing up, they are suppose to show you something called sales illustration and product disclosure sheet. that's when you see the figures, premium for your age. these 2 documents, will be relatively easier to understand, AND at the same time, give you a brief overview of the important T&C. what i was quite surprised with, many agents skip this part. only use pencil, paper, draw draw. sometimes don't even send the full quotation.

actually, there's a 3rd option. you may look inside your policy, and search for something that says non-forfeiture option. with NF option, usually there's an option to continue your policy without paying extra premium. this will be known as reduced paid up, and etc... so it won't be exactly a total waste, you know, instead of terminating it.

(a 3rd) Actually, if you can bring your policy to menara aia, 99 jln ampang, that would be great la. but i don't know, maybe big company like AIA is used to receiving this kind of complain.

i've heard of successful cases from a compliance manager, of a smaller insurance company, that there are customers who managed to get FULL refund, after 1-2 years of buying into those stupid endowment plan. but maybe cause that company takut so just paid it off and let it be.

OH BTW... since my guess is, your policy is the pay 10 years for 20 years type, your loss will be greater. cause you pay more premium upfront. cry.gif

This post has been edited by adele123: Aug 24 2014, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 24 2014, 05:11 PM)
ur insurance agent so good?

can recomend to me?
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