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enriquelee
post Aug 29 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Aug 29 2014, 10:04 PM)
Let's wait for another 4 months and see.
But you need to fullfill certain condition to get this, if not mistaken it will be prompt payment(now in order to get rm50 CB, every month will pay extra), use above certain limit(so in some sense you need to waste)
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post Aug 29 2014, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Aug 29 2014, 10:18 PM)
I don't get what you mean.  tongue.gif
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Sure or not? Which part?
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post Aug 30 2014, 04:19 PM

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If I understand right what bro supersound is saying,

Need to wait 4 months later, that is until january 2015 to see if you will get back some rebate or not.

But to be able to get back some rebate, you must fulfill the basic condition, same like with credit cards payment..

It must be prompt and full payment every month and in his case, he pre-pays a little bit more on top of his bill payment.

Is that right bro supersound?


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post Aug 30 2014, 04:28 PM

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Understand now. Haha
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post Sep 6 2014, 11:44 PM

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how much cost installation 3 phase?

I got quotation till RM5k? 2k for TNB registration... 3k for the contractor..


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post Sep 7 2014, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 30 2014, 04:19 PM)
If I understand right what bro supersound is saying,

Need to wait 4 months later, that is until january 2015 to see if you will get back some rebate or not.

But to be able to get back some rebate, you must fulfill the basic condition, same like with credit cards payment..

It must be prompt and full payment every month and in his case, he pre-pays a little bit more on top of his bill payment.

Is that right bro supersound?
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Yup, that's right. Need to optimize my cash back and to have some online purchase, so need to prepaid most of the time.
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post Sep 7 2014, 02:07 AM

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Glad I got it right! Today called my electrician about the 40A rating and the concealed pvc pipe for internet connection. The uncle say 40A is enough. Somehow I feel a little skeptical but will see the utility bill when it comes.

QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 01:44 AM)
Yup, that's right. Need to optimize my cash back and to have some online purchase, so need to prepaid most of the time.
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post Sep 7 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Sep 7 2014, 02:07 AM)
Glad I got it right! Today called my electrician about the 40A rating and the concealed pvc pipe for internet connection. The uncle say 40A is enough. Somehow I feel a little skeptical but will see the utility bill when it comes.
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40A@240V can fry the whole house already sweat.gif
So is nothing wrong to use 40A, in fact it is safer also. As for an appliance to pull 40A, only under shorted condition will do like this.
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post Sep 7 2014, 01:11 PM

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Bro, I'm confused about 40A@240V frying part and why is it safer?

QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 01:34 PM)
40A@240V can fry the whole house already sweat.gif
So is nothing wrong to use 40A, in fact it is safer also. As for an appliance to pull 40A, only under shorted condition will do like this.
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post Sep 7 2014, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Sep 7 2014, 01:11 PM)
Bro, I'm confused about 40A@240V frying part and why is it safer?
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Our house power supply is 240V.
Most of the appliances in our house only pulling 0.2-1A, while water heater, washing machine, air cond will be more, maybe 2-5A during normal run.
So, 40A direct pull is like you simply pull a wire and put it to another(life to neutral direct). The heat generation will be very high and melt the wire.
I've seen this in my work place. The copper also melted.
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post Sep 7 2014, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 02:19 PM)
Our house power supply is 240V.
Most of the appliances in our house only pulling 0.2-1A, while water heater, washing machine, air cond will be more, maybe 2-5A during normal run.
So, 40A direct pull is like you simply pull a wire and put it to another(life to neutral direct). The heat generation will be very high and melt the wire.
I've seen this in my work place. The copper also melted.
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Electric stove can pull up to 15amps some 20amps. Instant Water heater if switch to max (rainy) can go up to 13amps constant up to 15mins some people take 30mins bath will draw 30mins of 13amps
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 7 2014, 05:30 PM)
Electric stove can pull up to 15amps some 20amps. Instant Water heater if switch to max (rainy) can go up to 13amps constant up to 15mins some people take 30mins bath will draw 30mins of 13amps
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Max or typical? There are difference on them.
As if they are pulling max all the time, I'm sure the wire won't last long.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 06:18 PM)
Max or typical? There are difference on them.
As if they are pulling max all the time, I'm sure the wire won't last long.
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Wires will last if use correct rating.

For stove depend how many burner used. Water heater depend weather. If using water kettle is also around 10amps.
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post Sep 14 2014, 04:52 PM

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Hey guys. Wanna ask a simple question.

I would like to upgrade to 3 phase to cater electric demand on my house.
I saw at outside (near my tnb meter) there's currently 4 wire crossing my house ( tnb pole>neighbor>my house>neighbor).

Did the current crossing wire are 3 phase ready?
As I saw my neighbor across street, they using 3 phase and using the existing crossing cable that I mention.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 7 2014, 06:30 PM)
Wires will last if use correct rating.

For stove depend how many burner used. Water heater depend weather. If using water kettle is also around 10amps.
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Missed out this.
Well, your "guide" are too general. Will Pensonic's 2000W will consume same power as Panasonic? It won't as the actual current draw will vary on the component used. Not to mention the efficiency on it.
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post Sep 14 2014, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Sep 14 2014, 04:52 PM)
Hey guys. Wanna ask a simple question.

I would like to upgrade to 3 phase to cater electric demand on my house.
I saw at outside (near my tnb meter) there's currently 4 wire crossing my house ( tnb pole>neighbor>my house>neighbor).

Did the current crossing wire are 3 phase ready?
As I saw my neighbor across street, they using 3 phase and using the existing crossing cable that I mention.
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How many wire to your main meter? 2 or 4?
2 means single phase, 4 means 3 phase.
Your row got about 10 houses right?
Each phase(the cable you mentioned) will feed to 3 houses average.
If you were to upgrade, TNB will tap another 2 cables to your new meter.
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post Sep 14 2014, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 14 2014, 05:33 PM)
How many wire to your main meter? 2 or 4?
2 means single phase, 4 means 3 phase.
Your row got about 10 houses right?
Each phase(the cable you mentioned) will feed to 3 houses average.
If you were to upgrade, TNB will tap another 2 cables to your new meter.
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There's 2 wire.
yes, around 10 houses.

I show a picture for clear view

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The 4 cable I mention
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post Sep 14 2014, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 14 2014, 05:30 PM)
Missed out this.
Well, your "guide" are too general. Will Pensonic's 2000W will consume same power as Panasonic? It won't as the actual current draw will vary on the component used. Not to mention the efficiency on it.
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Check the product spec.
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post Sep 14 2014, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Sep 14 2014, 05:38 PM)
There's 2 wire.
yes, around 10 houses.

I show a picture for clear view

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The 4 cable I mention
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It is single phase only. Want to upgrade? Not easy unless you are prepared for a dirty house.

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 14 2014, 05:43 PM)
Check the product spec.
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post Sep 14 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 14 2014, 05:47 PM)
It is single phase only. Want to upgrade? Not easy unless you are prepared for a dirty house.
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I see. Now I know sweat.gif . Reason? will installing additional aircon. right now got now. and less than 2 year, got another 2 aircon to be installed sweat.gif

It is require to change all cable inside house? I know that 3 phase got 4 wire instead of 3

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