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post Oct 16 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Oct 16 2012, 01:49 PM)
i am just sharing with you guys that's all, i also invested in fsm before so know it's quite painful to send the documents each time, I just prefer someone coming to you when it's due and face to face communication
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got each time send documents meh o.O
i've only sent 1 time so far jz to open accounts... lol
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post Oct 16 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(tornado dot com @ Oct 16 2012, 04:02 PM)
got each time send documents meh o.O
i've only sent 1 time so far jz to open accounts... lol
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each time u wanna invest into epf need to post to them

This post has been edited by DarReNz: Oct 16 2012, 04:16 PM
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post Oct 16 2012, 04:33 PM

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I dun touch my EPF...I only do cash investments. Everything by e-mail, not much trouble.
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post Oct 16 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Oct 16 2012, 04:06 PM)
each time u wanna invest into epf need to post to them
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aaah ok... no wonder... me and pink oso same same. cash...

besides, epf investment only can do very seldom as they have limitations... minimum amount in account 1 and also one withdrawal per 4 months only
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post Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(tornado dot com @ Oct 16 2012, 06:42 PM)
aaah ok... no wonder... me and pink oso same same. cash...

besides, epf investment only can do very seldom as they have limitations... minimum amount in account 1 and also one withdrawal per 4 months only
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er.. it's once in 3 months can withdraw from EPF A/C1
and the "minimum amount in account 1" is easily hit lar (and i'm an average income earner)
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If U think such are limitations and letting EPF take care of everything, it's fine & dandy
However, IF the BULK of your retirement $ is handled by ONE body/person... not worried meh? Especially with all the shenanigans happening

Just a thought - no right or wrong yar notworthy.gif
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post Oct 16 2012, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM)
er.. it's once in 3 months can withdraw from EPF A/C1
and the "minimum amount in account 1" is easily hit lar (and i'm an average income earner)
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If U think such are limitations and letting EPF take care of everything, it's fine & dandy
However, IF the BULK of your retirement $ is handled by ONE body/person... not worried meh? Especially with all the shenanigans happening

Just a thought - no right or wrong yar notworthy.gif
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Wong Seafood,

EPF withdrawal for investments, also cannot go in our own pocket, when u withdraw, have to go back into EPF what?

EPF is required by law to maintain a minimum dividend payment per year, means theoretically our EPF savings cannot make a "loss".

Off topic a while, what about cash dividends received when we buy SHARES using EPF withdrawal scheme? Do we get the cheque? Or it will go back into EPF?
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post Oct 16 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 16 2012, 07:05 PM)
Wong Seafood,

EPF withdrawal for investments, also cannot go in our own pocket, when u withdraw, have to go back into EPF what?

EPF is required by law to maintain a minimum dividend payment per year, means theoretically our EPF savings cannot make a "loss".

Off topic a while, what about cash dividends received when we buy SHARES using EPF withdrawal scheme? Do we get the cheque? Or it will go back into EPF?
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EPF withdrawals for investments go back to EPF IF U SELL. U can always SWITCH right?

True, EPF "cannot" make a loss with minimum 2.x%pa dividend (i forget the minute details).
However, 2 things bother me (it may be just me - i'm a bit of a control freak tongue.gif):
1. In the long run (EPF is LOOOOOONG run mar - cant touch a/c1 until we retire or quit the country),
EPF's average 5%pa+/-
VS. a so-so equity fund 8%pa... hm.. i prefer the later please.
Add to the fact that i can "sai lang" with my accumulated EPF $ held in bond funds when (NOT if.. it's just a matter of when brows.gif ) equity market goes to hell.

2. Less % of my retirement $ is directly involved some "funny" loans to the politicians/Gov
Coz in PM + Amera/HLeB mar brows.gif UNLESS EPF force everyone to sell and put back $ lar. IF that happens.. game over man, game over. MY will be the next Zimbabwe.

Hey - no "cash flow impact" investing
Good way to "excercise" / "train" one's mutual fund investing BEFORE going gungho with cash.

Just a thought - no right or wrong yar notworthy.gif

er.. cash dividends?
Never took such option wor and logically, if available as an option, it will go back into our EPF A/C1
As for my Amera/HLeB - cash dividends goes into my "cash a/c" which i use for buying KLSE stocks, not back to EPF

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 16 2012, 09:40 PM
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post Oct 16 2012, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 16 2012, 08:21 PM)
er.. cash dividends?
Never took such option wor and logically, if available as an option, it will go back into our EPF A/C1
As for my Amera/HLeB - cash dividends goes into my "cash a/c" which i use for buying KLSE stocks, not back to EPF
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Can u withdraw that money? Or it must go back into EPF A/C 1?
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post Oct 16 2012, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 16 2012, 09:16 PM)
Can u withdraw that money? Or it must go back into EPF A/C 1?
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heheh - no U can't (withdraw cash into your pocket).
Though i found something interesting which U may find useful for your Asset Allocation tongue.gif
PM me if U are curious - i don't think it's right to put it in public though it's OBVIOUS to investors in KLSE. Just in case lar.

Sorry ar mods - serong / off-tangent from "normal" mutual funds a wee bit.
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post Oct 16 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 16 2012, 06:47 PM)
er.. it's once in 3 months can withdraw from EPF A/C1
and the "minimum amount in account 1" is easily hit lar (and i'm an average income earner)
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If U think such are limitations and letting EPF take care of everything, it's fine & dandy
However, IF the BULK of your retirement $ is handled by ONE body/person... not worried meh? Especially with all the shenanigans happening

Just a thought - no right or wrong yar notworthy.gif
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lol, i have not hit that amount in my account 1 yet lor.... =/ just checked last month.

i oso targetting to put into unit trust soon a considering that EPF is using some of our money to invest into FGVH (Felda)... diversification is important tongue.gif


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post Oct 17 2012, 06:04 PM

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Is it encouragable to purchase PM funds now?

Dont mention bout stocks, im still young and inexperienced. My target is 6-9% per year, and i am willing to lock ~20k for 5 years to see results. But most reviews on ut are bad, and it did influenced me. at the same time i did put quite some money in ASG, and provided the steady dividen of 7% still happens, is it advisable to pump in the 20k there or put in other ut like PM?
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post Oct 18 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Oct 17 2012, 07:04 PM)
Is it encouragable to purchase PM funds now?

Dont mention bout stocks, im still young and inexperienced. My target is 6-9% per year, and i am willing to lock ~20k for 5 years to see results. But most reviews on ut are bad, and it did influenced me. at the same time i did put quite some money in ASG, and provided the steady dividen of 7% still happens, is it advisable to pump in the 20k there or put in other ut like PM?
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Which fund you are interested in PM?

For me, if bond fund.. i will do lumpsum. Equities, will do by few stages...
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post Oct 18 2012, 11:01 AM

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u all do know that in EPF u get lower than what was announced due to pro-rated and yeah quite dangerous to leave it to just to EPF as anything can happen after election and our $$$ can be gone
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post Oct 18 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Oct 18 2012, 11:01 AM)
u all do know that in EPF u get lower than what was announced due to pro-rated and yeah quite dangerous to leave it to just to EPF as anything can happen after election and our $$$ can be gone
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The 2% statutory minimum payout, lose to inflation, yes.

But I doubt our "principal" can be gone. IF that happens, Malaysia is a gone case, "Malaysian Spring" surely.
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post Oct 18 2012, 01:55 PM

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EPF statutory minimum payout is 2.50% - FYI :-)
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post Oct 18 2012, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(transit @ Oct 18 2012, 01:55 PM)
EPF statutory minimum payout is 2.50% - FYI :-)
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yea which is still less than even the fd rate lol
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post Oct 18 2012, 08:52 PM

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Anybody work in spore before? I just curious their epf giving average how much payout? Or none?

I only know their savings and FD is very very low interest rate..
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post Oct 18 2012, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 18 2012, 08:52 PM)
Anybody work in spore before? I just curious their epf giving average how much payout? Or none?

I only know their savings and FD is very very low interest rate..
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If I not mistaken, Singapore CPF is 3.0%

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post Oct 18 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 18 2012, 08:52 PM)
Anybody work in spore before? I just curious their epf giving average how much payout? Or none?

I only know their savings and FD is very very low interest rate..
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Singapore lower inflation, and their currency is stronger, thus they can live with lower interest rates/dividend yields. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 18 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 18 2012, 11:43 PM)
Singapore lower inflation, and their currency is stronger, thus they can live with lower interest rates/dividend yields. icon_rolleyes.gif
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How about hong kong bro?

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