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post Jul 27 2012, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)
Hi guys. My agent recently suggested switching from PCSF ( receive nothing since started investing in 2008) to PRSF so I can get some dividends by next April. How to calculate dividend receive if I switch now? Is it gonna be pro-rated? Thanks.
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No pro-rated. If you switched in before the exercise date, you'll get the distribution.
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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)
Hi guys. My agent recently suggested switching from PCSF ( receive nothing since started investing in 2008) to PRSF so I can get some dividends by next April. How to calculate dividend receive if I switch now? Is it gonna be pro-rated? Thanks.
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PLEASE DO NOT SWITCH/BUY IN BECAUSE OF DIVIDENDS

Your agent should be fired.

Refer back to earlier discussions on dividends/distributions. (Post #135 onwards)

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 27 2012, 06:28 PM
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post Jul 29 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)
Hi guys. My agent recently suggested switching from PCSF ( receive nothing since started investing in 2008) to PRSF so I can get some dividends by next April. How to calculate dividend receive if I switch now? Is it gonna be pro-rated? Thanks.
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Please do not simply switch bcos of dividends. First u need to ask urself, will PRSF performs better than PCSF? If it does, then your welcome to switch.
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 27 2012, 06:26 PM)
PLEASE DO NOT SWITCH/BUY IN BECAUSE OF DIVIDENDS

Your agent should be fired.

Refer back to earlier discussions on dividends/distributions. (Post #135 onwards)
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Jul 29 2012, 12:04 AM)
Please do not simply switch bcos of dividends. First u need to ask urself, will PRSF performs better than PCSF? If it does, then your welcome to switch.
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Thanks smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2012, 02:13 PM)
In a perfect world, all the PIIGS would just announce bad news one shot killing blow... (major dip pain then lelong buys)
rather than these pecking pecking us to slow death - 'ala boiling a frog slowly, we just get used to it and THEN.. too late.  sweat.gif

Becoming de-sensitized.. numb.. from bad news, good news, bad news.. luckily only from neck up, lower body still fine tongue.gif
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Agree on this. Spain and Europe's issues won't be solved just because of a few tough words from Super Mario and some politicians. And then there's the "fiscal cliff" in the US. I am keeping a substantial amount of dry powder hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 10:25 AM)
Thanks  smile.gif
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sudah read our discussions on dividends/distributions? ada faham? hmm.gif
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Dear all,

Is there any unit trust roadshows or exhibitions in the Klang Valley?

I wanna "interview" a few agents before deciding on one.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:55 PM

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Fellow investors - dumb Q for Domestic Funds:
Possible post Election drop (Sep/Oct?)
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Possible QE3 by USA in Sep/Dec which will chase up equities in Asia

Which is more probable or they negate each other? tongue.gif
Just something to chew - food for thought heheh.

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Domestic market always behave differently from rest of the world rclxub.gif

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post Jul 30 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 30 2012, 01:43 PM)
sudah read our discussions on dividends/distributions? ada faham? hmm.gif
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Yes, si foo ... got some rough ideas. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 04:27 PM)
Yes, si foo ... got some rough ideas.  sweat.gif
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Kalau tak faham, tanya...

...half knowledge is equally, if not more harmful than no knowledge laugh.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 30 2012, 02:55 PM)
Fellow investors - dumb Q for Domestic Funds:
Possible post Election drop (Sep/Oct?)
VS
Possible QE3 by USA in Sep/Dec which will chase up equities in Asia

Which is more probable or they negate each other? tongue.gif
Just something to chew - food for thought heheh.
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think US and EU will keep on print more and more notes. It ends up tons of tons of money flow to asia countries. I believe many asia countries have the pressure to lower down the interest. China already started to lower down the interest so not sure about msia. I think minor correction will happen after general election but not major. Look at many countries index, STI, HangSeng and KLCI still look ok. Just my 2 cents

Hope more people contribute more idea and thoughts.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 30 2012, 09:37 PM)
Kalau tak faham, tanya...

...half knowledge is equally, if not more harmful than no knowledge laugh.gif
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when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:55 PM)
when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
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Units and NAV price in isolation means nothing

Just bear this in mind, your PROFITABILITY is measured by reference to your cost of investment vs current market value(units x NAV price = market value) nod.gif

Anything else are "noises" u should ignore, ESPECIALLY those "dividends coming soon, invest/switch now to get it" rubbish agents talk icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:55 PM)
when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
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To lock down the profit, why not considering some bond funds? Dividend funds even though not so high risk comparing to high risk Index fund, but dividend funds are still investing high percentage in stock market. When correction or so-called bearish, blue chips like PBB did fall as well. Not to mention other blue chips like Genting, even though Genting is not considered as high dividend stock but i did see PDSF bought Genting in its portfolio.
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Jul 30 2012, 10:16 PM)
think US and EU will keep on print more and more notes. It ends up tons of tons of money flow to asia countries. I believe many asia countries have the pressure to lower down the interest. China already started to lower down the interest so not sure about msia. I think minor correction will happen after general election but not major. Look at many countries index, STI, HangSeng and KLCI still look ok. Just my 2 cents

Hope more people contribute more idea and thoughts.
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Hehe - similar thoughts here since 2010/2011.
In fact, i put my $ where my thoughts are - and the results are nice
a. extra $ into REITs (local + foreign ) had the biggest returns for my 2011 & early 2012 tracking

b. consistently carrying on my programmatic investments for local funds & value sniping at local stocks (iCap at 25%+ discount over NAPS +PBank at 2011 low) though i'm holding back a bit of % (about 5% to 8%) for local funds/stocks investment.


Added on July 31, 2012, 8:25 am
QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:55 PM)
when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
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I think most seasoned investors (myself included), do NOT lock-in an equity fund's profit by SWITCHING to another equity fund.
We usually (there are exceptions as always) SWITCH to bond funds as they are a different "animal" or asset class from Equity Funds.

IMHO, SWITCHING from Equity Fund A --> Equity Fund B, should only be for sub-asset class re-balancing (eg. generic to REITs focused)
OR
opportunity value buying (eg. PIX to PRSEC now since KLCI Index all time high VS PRSEC near all time low).

Just a thought notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jul 31 2012, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Jul 31 2012, 12:05 AM)
To lock down the profit, why not considering some bond funds? Dividend funds even though not so high risk comparing to high risk Index fund, but dividend funds are still investing high percentage in stock market. When correction or so-called bearish, blue chips like PBB did fall as well. Not to mention other blue chips like Genting, even though Genting is not considered as high dividend stock but i did see PDSF bought Genting in its portfolio.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 31 2012, 08:18 AM)
Hehe - similar thoughts here since 2010/2011.
In fact, i put my $ where my thoughts are - and the results are nice
a. extra $ into REITs (local + foreign ) had the biggest returns for my 2011 & early 2012 tracking

b. consistently carrying on my programmatic investments for local funds & value sniping at local stocks (iCap at 25%+ discount over NAPS +PBank at 2011 low) though i'm holding back a bit of % (about 5% to 8%) for local funds/stocks investment.


Added on July 31, 2012, 8:25 am
I think most seasoned investors (myself included), do NOT lock-in an equity fund's profit by SWITCHING to another equity fund.
We usually (there are exceptions as always) SWITCH to bond funds as they are a different "animal" or asset class from Equity Funds.

IMHO, SWITCHING from Equity Fund A --> Equity Fund B, should only be for sub-asset class re-balancing (eg. generic to REITs focused)
OR
opportunity value buying (eg. PIX to PRSEC now since KLCI Index all time high VS PRSEC near all time low).

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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Thanks thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 31 2012, 08:18 AM)
Hehe - similar thoughts here since 2010/2011.
In fact, i put my $ where my thoughts are - and the results are nice
a. extra $ into REITs (local + foreign ) had the biggest returns for my 2011 & early 2012 tracking

b. consistently carrying on my programmatic investments for local funds & value sniping at local stocks (iCap at 25%+ discount over NAPS +PBank at 2011 low) though i'm holding back a bit of % (about 5% to 8%) for local funds/stocks investment.


Added on July 31, 2012, 8:25 am
I think most seasoned investors (myself included), do NOT lock-in an equity fund's profit by SWITCHING to another equity fund.
We usually (there are exceptions as always) SWITCH to bond funds as they are a different "animal" or asset class from Equity Funds.

IMHO, SWITCHING from Equity Fund A --> Equity Fund B, should only be for sub-asset class re-balancing (eg. generic to REITs focused)
OR
opportunity value buying (eg. PIX to PRSEC now since KLCI Index all time high VS PRSEC near all time low).

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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I'm not familiar with REIT but it should be a good investment hence it distributes cash flow every quarters. But i am interested in IGB Reit. Can't wait for the IPO. Most of my stocks are distributing good dividends like Zhulian.
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post Jul 31 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:55 PM)
when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
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what is ur cost per unit?
cost per unit = total amount u invest / ur total units.
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Jul 31 2012, 10:11 PM)
I'm not familiar with REIT but it should be a good investment hence it distributes cash flow every quarters. But i am interested in IGB Reit. Can't wait for the IPO. Most of my stocks are distributing good dividends like Zhulian.
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Not ALL REITs are good investment tongue.gif
IGB REIT? U mean MidValley + Gardens? Yeah - i'm waiting & prodding my broker for private placement on that too hehe.

Oops - sorry Mod(s). Slightly serong abit into REITs /stocks notworthy.gif

On a "Funds" side thinggy - anyone knows of ANY EPF ok-ed equity funds that just does REITs?
I'm currently "forced" to do "self-directed stock buys" with my EPF A/C1 coz i want more exposure to REITs (nope, not "dividend stocks" nor "property stocks" equity funds, specifically REITs stock) cry.gif

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