Jul 24 2012, 11:06 PM
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2012, 02:55 PM)
Nah.. P/E 8.6.. 8 more ong hehe.
On a serious note, i usually take a peek at the PE and DY, just in case something weird at the time with PEs
- happened to me before with local stock SHELL and a local REIT 
A discount of 50% on average PE of 5 or more years is enough to entice 1/3 to 1/2 of my dry opportunity ammo
With all the conditioning. Slowly boiling the frog. I think we might not see such a drastic drop. PE of 5 might be a bit optimistic, likely to be 8 I guess.On a serious note, i usually take a peek at the PE and DY, just in case something weird at the time with PEs
- happened to me before with local stock SHELL and a local REIT A discount of 50% on average PE of 5 or more years is enough to entice 1/3 to 1/2 of my dry opportunity ammo
Added on July 24, 2012, 11:09 pm
QUOTE(gark @ Jul 24 2012, 02:56 PM)
You do realize that EPF is using YOUR money to boost the share market so that YOU feel good right? 
Feel good factor before election. 
After election and if BN lose, baru tau. 
Added on July 24, 2012, 11:15 pm
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2012, 05:30 PM)
Check out this thread/topic.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...=income+builder
Added on July 24, 2012, 5:30 pm
Dont lar Pinky.
Some ppl may not want to be as involved as U in their building of financial freedom.
U think so many people thinks like us meh - where "I AM THE ONE THAT CARES MOST FOR MY $ AND ASSETS" is our war cry, apart from "GET YOUR FILTHY PAWS OFF ME MONEY!" before striking people blind and deaf
Some people prefer to leave they money under other people care. Worse still under the pillow. Free world mahhttp://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...=income+builder
Added on July 24, 2012, 5:30 pm
Dont lar Pinky.
Some ppl may not want to be as involved as U in their building of financial freedom.
U think so many people thinks like us meh - where "I AM THE ONE THAT CARES MOST FOR MY $ AND ASSETS" is our war cry, apart from "GET YOUR FILTHY PAWS OFF ME MONEY!" before striking people blind and deaf
Added on July 24, 2012, 11:27 pm
QUOTE(LamJLCF @ Jul 24 2012, 05:31 PM)
Thank you PinkSpider, a friend of mine told me about their plan. Still dont know to invest in it or not. a few friends of mine invested and some didnt and was very against it as well i dont know why. And not you too asking me to stay away from it, it sounds really interesting and its by Hong Leong. Should it be safe?
There is nothing wrong with it. It all depend on your personal objective.If you prefer force saving plan + insurance throw in then it is a good plan to many peoples.
But if you are an experience investor looking to get more return for you buck then this is not a good idea.
Then again not many people actually do all the hard work of research, learning to read balance sheet, fundamental analysis of companies and economy.
As for me managing my investment is my job as I depend on it for income, so have to be more hand on.
Added on July 24, 2012, 11:40 pm
QUOTE(howszat @ Jul 24 2012, 08:45 PM)
If look through the list, for eg the website below, most countries are in deficit. Even countries like USA, UK, Japan etc.
http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database...l#axzz21XbqlYs0
Whereas the countries in Euro, eg Greece cannot even pay their bills if they don't get the next round of loans.
Therefore comparing the troubles in Euro to Malaysia or any country in deficit is like comparing apples and oranges. Or durians and rambutans, whichever you prefer.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending, nor condemning the actions of this government as running a deficit is NOT necessarily a bad thing, just like a company with debts is not necessarily a bad thing. But this topic would easily take up another forum section all by itself and more. And it's not my point.
The point, which you missed altogether, is the fact that the Euro is grouping of different countries tied by a common currency, but not the fiscal or political responsibilities. For eg, if Greece had its own currency, and given its problems, it would have (1) defaulted, or (2) devalued it's currency long ago. But it can do neither, because the Euro is not for it to do as it pleases. And therein lies the problem.
So no, I wasn't talking about simple deficits.
Added on July 24, 2012, 9:14 pmIt's not just a case of feeling good. The value of your investments have gone up as well, in real value.
On the other hand, what do you think the downside(s) are?
Deficit is good if the money go to infrastructure development the grow the economy and grow out of debt. But is deficit go to subsidies and unproductive expenses than that is another story. The country debt will keep increasing and GDP grow become stagnant.http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database...l#axzz21XbqlYs0
Whereas the countries in Euro, eg Greece cannot even pay their bills if they don't get the next round of loans.
Therefore comparing the troubles in Euro to Malaysia or any country in deficit is like comparing apples and oranges. Or durians and rambutans, whichever you prefer.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending, nor condemning the actions of this government as running a deficit is NOT necessarily a bad thing, just like a company with debts is not necessarily a bad thing. But this topic would easily take up another forum section all by itself and more. And it's not my point.
The point, which you missed altogether, is the fact that the Euro is grouping of different countries tied by a common currency, but not the fiscal or political responsibilities. For eg, if Greece had its own currency, and given its problems, it would have (1) defaulted, or (2) devalued it's currency long ago. But it can do neither, because the Euro is not for it to do as it pleases. And therein lies the problem.
So no, I wasn't talking about simple deficits.
Added on July 24, 2012, 9:14 pmIt's not just a case of feeling good. The value of your investments have gone up as well, in real value.
On the other hand, what do you think the downside(s) are?
Devalue the currency is a short term solution and a country can't keep doing that for long term or else end up like toilet paper. Unless the currency is the world reserve currency
This post has been edited by aronteh: Jul 24 2012, 11:40 PM
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