Some things are cold hard facts... like how 1 stam = 10 hp for most classes etc...
Some boss does this move, you're supposed to move out to avoid damage, then run back in resume dps...

not flat out going spartan becos running out is "wasting time" or bcos i'm "overgeared"..
u know what i mean myremi? Different boss does different moves, you react to them...
not tank same spot throughout the fight and going spartan.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 07:01 PM

No comment anymore.

2nd boss of mech.... the one that spawns double or triple fire elementals...
Do your tank while avoiding the trail of flames or do u ignore the damage and keep fighting
cos avoiding is waste of time and bcos u can cos u're overgeared?

You're one of the person i respect 'cos u're humble and doesn't have this elitist attitude
like most of the guys here... But if u can honestly say that these people here aren't bullcrapping
about how tanks can raid in welfare epics and even to the extend tank gears are easier to get than welfare epics,
i got nothing to say.

You know they're pulling BS out of their ass but you're too afraid to admit it cos u dun wanna offend anybody.

maiden from what i remembered...
attempting her on the 3rd-4th week tbc came out...
was all about chain heal spams!
4 melees on her, 1 warrior, 1 druid, 2 rogues... 3 healers 3 range dps
(was all we could get for the first 10 reaching 70 and finished the prereqs)

and no... you don't run out from maiden... you just stay in there take the dmg and drink pots... its all about the DEEPEEEASSS


Question : How's sunwell? kewl?

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 23 2008, 08:38 PM

lolwut? suddenly melees need to break stun now?

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Added on April 23, 2008, 11:56 pmyea, and somehow the things we say arent hard facts huh?

like how 3 chains is ez to heal unless the healer is wearing crap gear?

or how melee dps is 100% where caster/ranged arent?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 11:56 PM

The point where u say melee dps burdens healers is 'true to a certain extent'.

However, the dps output of the melee dps far outweighs the 'healing burden' -- please read this as ""BENEFICIAL"".

In short - bring good melee dps and of course bring good healers... hell you know what? Bring a god damn solid team so this crap talk bout UBRS-zhan will end.

This post has been edited by saingau: Apr 24 2008, 07:49 AM

i personally would consider it "true" over "to a certain extent"

however, this guy is talking about maiden, in today's age of epix welfare-ness. and despite many vets pointing his wrongs, ignorantly continues to go "ranged is teh superiar on maiden" crap.

No. i said Holy fire normally targeted at the person closest to her BUT OUTSIDE Her HOLY AURA. which mean, melee that are close to her (INSIDE HER HOLY AURA) would not be targeted. Hence Ranged DPSers will be the one have to eat the bloody Holy fire zhit. understand ??


Did u really attempted Maiden before??? most of my run i don't even have to move much. maybe move forward and backward a bit. that is because healer hit by repetence, the tank move a bit so the holy ground will hit the healer therefore break the repetence on the healer. that it.
If the tanker does not move, i don't have to move at all.

I seriously never seen chained wrath happen before in all my run, maybe next time i should purposely run close to the tanker for the sake of wanting to see it happen.

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Added on April 24, 2008, 9:58 am
What ? Your tanker (or is it you) have to run all over to break healers repentance?? and are healers standing at the wall is that your tanker have to run around?? lol
Your paladin don't know how to dispell it meh ? other healer that cannot dispell, don't know how to run in holy ground like your hunter meh? before repentance up, your taanker is not HOT up meh?


look whos talking..


This post has been edited by aaltong: Apr 24 2008, 09:58 AM

It all started 'cos u disagreed with my POV.
srsly, if you don't agree... just let it be. You can't change people's mind.
Some ppl thinks PVE is how u get to enjoy the game, others think PVP is the way to go.
Neither are wrong. But you were rude to begin with, so who are you pointing the fingers to now?
All the name calling only works during primary school.... make it clear, i have not called you by any childish remarks
up till this point.

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TL;DR
too many "meh"

in before mods.

ur melee dps? dude, try this 1 hand playing:

1) get a gaming grade mouse with additional programmable buttons.
2) program all your nessesary dps buttons and macros
3) position yourself to maiden's ass
4) use only your mouse, and the other hand KFC/McD/Pizza w/e.
5) profit.

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Added on April 24, 2008, 12:25 pmyeah, you are right in this. i certainly cant change the fact that you are stupid. which is quite disappointing. although relieving at the same time, because its people like you, people like us can exist.

why pros exist, is because noobs are there to make the pros look good.

and if you SERIOUSLY think i only do pvp and never done pve, your just gonna embarass yourself further. just FYI, if you've been to my olddddd recruitment thread like a year ago, DI was a PVE guild.

and just for good measure:
1) my PVE gear (note: PVE) is better than yours.
2) ive done full kara PUG (keyword: full, PUG) clears with a time record of around 2hour 30mins.
3) ive done mag/gruul kills, and ZA up to zuljin (best attempt at 5%), and guess what, all in PUG
4) ive done SSC/TK for the first few bosses, again, as a PUG, as many high end guilds are no longer running them but some members wishes to acquire certain loot, or simply alt gearing.

just in case, PUG = pick up group, which in most cases, people you do not know, or barely played with.

so, what does your words hold against mine? or hell, the OTHER forumers that are even BETTER than i am in PVE achievements, that clear BT/HJ and doing sunwell. you seriously think THEY are wrong when most likely they are the pioneers that ventured kara pre-nerf/welfare while you, in this kara ez mode era, is right?

come on, not hard to use a brain to think just for a bit.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 24 2008, 12:29 PM

then again, you are the type of people that finds joy and feels a sense of accomplishment simply bcos u've been playing longer anyway...
so i can only guess it's no wonder u're so proud.

I still remember you were comparing ur epix rogue with my freshly power leveled warrior and u were happy cos u got more hp.
It's sad you need to compare urself with new players to feel good about urself, but whatever makes u happy

So this is your arguement ?? lol.
lame...

Guess myremi are right....

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Added on April 24, 2008, 1:51 pmlol... just bought gaming mouse during PC fair.

This post has been edited by aaltong: Apr 24 2008, 01:52 PM

My argument is..... i dun even wanna argue.
'cos u are repeating it again...

Means if no ranged, Maiden won't cast holy fire amirite?
[sarcasm]not even to healers. Or ur healer stand inside aoe wan? that's why she no cast?[/sarcasm]


edited to include sarcasm tags cos some ppl just don't get it

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 24 2008, 02:02 PM

ARE U CRYING?!

lol... are you still a bloody kid that play WOW? how old are you by the way ?

Well, i never try kara raid with 10 melee char. therefore i really do not know whether maiden will cast holy fire or not.
But by all means, you can go ahead and try it out. but bear in mind, most probably you raid will wipe even before she cast holy fire.
hack...i don't think you all even get pass trash mobs in kara.

You are creating a scenario that won't be happening in a million years to argue your point. hah..

Can i borrow your statment below and point it at you ??

This reminds me of Wow forums post war regarding so called "Welfare epics".. IMO. it all boils down to the individual player. Either you go for it or you don't. End of day... you get to sleep well because you have something purple in your binary fantasy self

now now now, i firmly believe age has nothing to do with maturity. you'll be surprise that someone aged 10 per say, can be way mature than a 50yr old grand daddy.

no need to go down to his level to drag in irrelevant stuffs for the sake of argueing (just like how he attempted to RL PVP LOLZ!)

You = support melee
Me = support ranged

why should i try 10 melees?
i put this in point form lah, so it's easier for you to understand.
If you get confused, you tell me which line u confuse, i try to explain more.

1. She will cast Holy Fire, dun care you 10 melee or 10 ranged. Agree or not?
2. You say she won' cast Holy Fire to melee. Agree?
3. I never say she will cast holy fire to melee. I say she chain holy wrath melee only. Agree?
4. Then you say she will cast HF to hunters. Agree?
5. I say she will cast HF even if u don't have hunters becos she can still cast to healers. Agree?
6. So what is the difference if u have hunter ? 1 person sure will kena the HF and 1 person sure must dispell it liau wan mah?
7. Read point #6 one more time.... what is the difference got hunter or not? cos somebody sure kena HF liau wan mah (healer).
8. ???
9. pwnt
10. but now leh, if got melee char, they kena chain = take extra damage = healer have to heal more people.
11. Healer stop healing melee before repentance and Hot tank. Melee continue to take damage from aoe & chain. Possible some melee die = decrease dps.
12. if no melee, 7 hunters outside aoe no take extra damage, 7 hunters can shoot non stop except for during repentance, 2 healers can concentrate heal tank only, 2 healers can HoT tank even during repentance = tank won't die = ??? = profit !!

but of cos a raid with 7 hunters, 2 healers & 1 tank is stupid, but for argument's sake... i am only letting u know ranged > melee in this match.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 24 2008, 03:35 PM