Most prolly u've not been to shaman threads...
people complain shamans being the most broken class and not viable for PVP all the time. There are a handful of top PVP ENH shamans out there, but you gotta work extra harder to be equally better than if u were to use another class. But if u want my opinion, i say ele > enh.

btw, my shaman is ENH.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 18 2008, 10:54 AM

Meleers are less wanted in situations like maiden and Grull's....
maybe that's why there are so many freaking hunters around.

So eating holy ground constantly would be better than staying by the sideline shooting?
You're certainly not making your healer's job easier.... plus with ranged dps, everyone is
spread out between pillars. With melee dps, you're gonna eat holy ground every 3 secs and
get chained Holy Wrath if there's a few of u + tank !!

Repentance is a minor inconvenience for ranged dps, just run in to aoe
range to remove the stun.

Don't know.... Never done loot reaver before.
But as far as i know, there are no drawbacks being huntards (ranged dps).
Melees? Yes... people will choose not to bring you to raids bcos of certain boss.

And your statement is irrelevant. So many things you conveniently choose not to factor in. Just bcos u didn't die, doesn't mean it's irrelevant. You could have uber healers, uber gears, uber experience, among other things.

I already explained why it's better to be ranged than melee by theory, so the only way you can prove otherwise is by telling me my strat is flawed... not by saying " i didn't die" Or "i tanked maiden as a shaman" etc...

back to the topic, OP wants to dish out the most dps in a short amount of time.
This by default already points towards ELE.

ELE = high burst damage and also higher down time.
But if OP is in a group where they can sustain his mana needs, then i really think he should be ele.

Like i said, i've not met any boss that punishes you for being ranged.
So ranged is always good.

Here's my realm

Huntards are hands down the preffered choice.

Here's YOUR realm

Not as obvious as mine, but huntards still came as the winner even in PVP.

There are no drawbacks to being ranged = proven.

You're saying the same thing jas said... "you didn't die".
It's only bcos maiden is an easy boss. Increase the damage for all her attacks and
i wonder if you can still say the same thing.

oh, running in wastes time according to the smart one.
Stunning there for 12 secs would be the better option.

And WTF are you crapping about?
Gearing S3/T6 equivalent only to fight puny maiden.
That's like saying level 70 killing Herod (in SM-ARM).
LOOK AT ME, I CAN FIGHT THRU HIS WHIRLWIND, WHO SAID I NEED TO MOVE AWAY ???

bcos that's what u're saying... T6 looking for pre T4 gears

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Added on April 22, 2008, 5:56 pmsrsly... 3 meleers (based on ur example) and a tank...
not enough to chain? Maiden must be as big as the room.

You argue for the sake of arguing.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 22 2008, 05:57 PM

After awhile talking to myremi, i realized she's the type that likes to say ppl don't understand their class no matter what.
If anything goes wrong, it's always bcos they don't understand their class or they don't read enough (her 2nd most overused quote).

You have to know, sometimes it's strat... it's easier to put it down in pen and paper, but executing the strategy is a whole new
ball game. Mindlessly going spartan on bosses just bcos you're overgeared is not a strat.

oh and u're so UBER ELITE cos u're all decked in welfare epics.

It's 2 - 5 buttons to you becos u're not the one having incovenience.
I said inconvenience was to healers especially they gotta heal your ass and dispelling, on top of that u're
making tank take more damage cos of chain.... ranged at least can bandage themselves, can you?

You want me to stop breathing? heh, i'd like for you to say that in front of my face.
When is myremi's next gathering?

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 11:24 AM

Bcos Tanks Are the only ones that can't benefit from welfare epics.
Welfare epics are for DPS + healer classes nub.

Roll a tank.

bcos according to you, stepping out = wasting time.
You're setting your own trap, u know that?
bandaging takes 8 secs, eating aoe to cancel stun takes 1.

Are they still tank if they respec?
Can they still raid in welfare epics? (it may be possible for MS/fury to tank in S3 epics...)
but that's not the point. I said Tanks don't benefit from welfare epics, i still stand my ground.

Healers and Tanks are sacrificing classes, but at least healers get to benefit from welfare Epics.
Tanks No, you only get boj rewards and you get boj by raiding. tankings gears are wayyyy harder to come by than
your shiny welfare epics that u're so proud of.

And you have problems understanding english language.

I said tanks can't benefit from welfare epics.
Read that sentence 10 more times until you get it.

MS/Fury =/= tank

They will still be chaining among themselves (the meleers)...
which still needs healing.

I never said meleers can't take down maiden.
I said they are less desirable compared to ranged dps.

You guys need to slow down and read between the lines before you jump into
conclusion and start pulling BS out of ur asses.

I merely said meleers are less desired in maiden and grull's fight..... then this started.
I never said IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DOWN MAIDEN (or even grull) as melee dps.

yeah, i agree.... DPS and healers only tho.

I can respec 1 million times but that still doesn't change the fact i can't bring along my shiny welfare epics when i'm raiding as a PROT warrior.
Hope that clears up all confusion. kthx.