Unless they changed it (I haven't logged into my shaman since 2.2 I think), the wf totem buff lasts 10 seconds. So wf totem for like 1 sec then grounding. In a 5s arena, I guarantee that your grounding will be gone in less than 3 seconds of u dropping it then just move back to wf totem, sometimes sooner esp if u have a good shaman that watches for specific casts to ground -- e.g. poly's or CL's. Most of the time, you don't need to even use max rank wf totem either since the extra AP is nice, but not essential if mana is a concern (which it shouldn't be with how great water shield is now).

I would like to try stacking armor penetration, but if I do I have to go all out, there isn't a lot of stuff with armor pen though other than ZA/2.3 badge loot. Both of which I am lazy to farm for, especially with the new badge gear with delicious, delicious sockets.

How much is the hit cap for rogues anyway?

79 hit rating without any hit talent for specials. Some obscenely large number for white hits that PvPers usually don't care that much about (350 or so?).

its along the line of 330ish.

despite what ive been doing mainly and what people generally think i do, i still do quite a number of pve just for the sake of it

currently sitting at 250 hit, was at 270+ but traded the new angelista's revenge with kara epic ring. the hit rating is nice, but the AP/armor pene and just the ilevel alone from a t6 quality ring, is too damn hard to pass on.

DDDD:

and that ring is sweet

hahahaha. Didnt visit forum few days got such a nice read.

Average gear team - Run out, get heals, slow dps, tank longer, burn more mana to heal tank, healer oom, tank dies.

OR

Spread out properly, chain heals, dispel quick, zerg boss down.

- Stop being so pig-headed. Could be y u are still stuck in kara.

As Akil'zon, the Eagle Avater of Zul'Aman would say.. "STOP YOUR CRYING!"

yeah but the whole hit rating bullcrap is making me sour despite getting such an awesome ring /QQ

They don't.
WF imbued > WF totem.

and we thought u knew everything.

I thought totem twisting is between WF n GOA.

think he meant grounding for maiden.

but imo its hard to twist grounding as you have to wait for h.fire to land and consume the totem. wf goa is easier but the effort and GCD required to twist them around hindering healing is quite a PITA

and the agi provided is not something that would make or break the dps, and no one got real agi scaling talents minus sub rogue or surv hunters. and rarely resto shams go imp str/goa, most hardcore raiding resto shams go heavy resto with 5 point for 5% more mana or just straight out 61 resto lol.

meh...

Just bring back the Hardcore Maiden when she really used to whoop ppl's asses for real.

how tough was maiden before she got nerfed?
i dunno o.O

sigh...

Ok, enough with the flames. Thanks to you guys, this thread has lost its purpose and will now be closed (Keep that in mind the next time you want to derail another thread with e-peening).

Once I've sorted out the flames, I'll be issuing some warnings.

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PS. To those of you who are aware of the situation and decide to come in with "In before close" posts, please report threads like this in the future and not magically expect mods to appear out of thin air.