Thanks to all the pretty friendly models who had given me poses and sweet smiles


The lighting condition inside KLCC Conventional Center is too poor and totally out of control

If you girls need studio shots to apply modeling job, please contact with me, I could do a much better job for 1 to 1 studio shots for you, free of charge for girls


If you guys like my pc fair photos, I will post some more, got a lot.

welcome others to post your PC Fair photos here also

















i know a lot ppl like to give others bad comments and to show themselves are better.

personally i like win-win culture, i don't like this die-die approach
i mean have a good habit, future your guys will have your own girl friend, your own family

you cannot have this habit with your wife or your children, if you don't remind yourself and have a change
you will lose much more than what you get from me today.

thanks.


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Finally vikingw2k uploaded his own pc fair photos at the end of page 3
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/672484/+40
and you can also refer to travis_ckf last year pc fair photos' quality, how he quarreled with others
and how I stood on his side spoke for him here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/442573


I beg my friends will not bad comment on vikingw2k's photos,
since he's already changed to a more genuine way.

Let things pass.


Thanks to all friends, who have supported me and protected models from being hurt by bad comment
in this post. I will remember and I love you all



This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 16 2008, 07:54 AM

just post more chicks

I think I saw you shooting the girl's photo during the girl of the 3rd photo. After you shoot, you let her see the photo on your camera right?

more more more more more more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wah!!!!!!!!! best photographer !!!!!!!!!

photo so pro ler !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for you compliment, i see everyone has done a very good job

damit i like your first pic, friendly and helpful model! great moment captured.

pro pro.

can share wat gear u use? haha

btw, the photo's frame looks kina special. lol

This post has been edited by FESEM: Apr 13 2008, 12:07 AM

Hmm i not sure if its right to say this that although u claimed urself to be the best photographer in subang n kl, why u waste ur time shooting pc fair and instead shoot something else. Pro phootgraphers can make the best out of anything

Btw back on the pics, i not sure if anyone feels this but the colors were completely out and overexposed. The flash way too harsh in pic no 1 & 3.

The only pic that looked normal is the last one, but is that all? Hope u post more to justify ur so called "title"

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Apr 13 2008, 12:03 AM

relax, those words are for business purposes only, meaningless
and i has delivered my compliments to all other photographers' posts, if you check.


and i had also said "great job" to your last year PC Fair photos, if you check your closed topic.
anyway I really like your photography, you really have the talent.



This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 12:21 AM

If it's meaningless, it shouldn't be there at the first place.

Here are some comments from me,

1# The left and top is too empty. It could be better if you frame it more towards rightside and lower a bit.

2# Flash is too harsh, should frame it slightly lower till her knee so that the top of the picture won't be that empty

3# Composition isn't that interesting, the top is too empty. I would prefer it to be lower and slightly more to the left to frame her with the laptop as well.

4# You could have snapped at a better angle.

5# Hands chopped

p/s: Frankly, the frame is very distracting. Also, it'll look a lot nicer to me with the "Best Wedding & Event Photographer @ Subang Klang" thingy replaced with a humble watermark like what a Real Pro would do.



This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Apr 13 2008, 12:21 AM

if your guys really want to compare, please post some your own pc fair photos to compare.

actual practice is much much harder than just type some words.

thanks

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Added on April 13, 2008, 12:31 amthanks for you compliment, not really pro la~~~, just for business purposes
check your pm about equipment


This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 12:31 AM

I guess you get the wrong concept. Photo Gallery is not meant for you guys to compare each other's picture and there's no point do so. If you were thinking of doing so, you might be in the wrong place. This is a place for us to share our pictures with others and allowing them to leave their compliments or critiques so that we can further improve on that. Kindly take note on that.

just to share..

Its not only to compare but is to learn what is ur mistakes on some photos. Well i learnt a fair share of mine on my previous gallery and i still learning now with my new cam.

without actual practice, you won't know how hard it is
the poor lighting condition, very high brown, yellow color ceiling, crowded people keep on knocking your body

thanks for your understanding, you still can go there tomorrow and try




waiting for your photos, still want to learn some real practice from you.

i am new to photography..like this can ah.?

last year i saw ppl said bad words towards your photos and models, i felt those words were unfair and very impolite,
so i typed some replies to support you. i hope you still can remember.


thanks for your comments

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Added on April 13, 2008, 12:47 amyour photography are very nice, specially the guys one.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 12:47 AM

Welcome to LYN, esp during pc fair session everyone woke up and though they are the judges of american's top model and bash whichever pics of models/promoters frm pc fair.

But my concern is not about these bashing, its on ur pics which needs improvement. Viking has already commented ur pics so there no need to repeat what is lacking or things that u need to improve on ur pics.

Well i rest my case mate, hope u get the point.

Guys tumpang abit... Like this event pc fair. what type of diffuser is needed for it to control the light?


The box type? The whale ? The Dome?

i know a lot ppl like to give others bad comments and to show themselves are better.

personally i like win-win culture, i don't like this die-die approach
i mean have a good habit, future your guys will have your own girl friend, your own family

you cannot have this habit with your wife or your children, if you don't remind yourself and have a change
you will lose much more than what you get from me today.

thanks.




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Finally vikingw2k uploaded his own pc fair photos at the end of page 3
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/672484/+40
and you can still refer to travis_ckf last year pc fair photos' quality, how he quarreled with others
and how I stood on his side spoke for him here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/442573

I beg my friends will not bad comment on vikingw2k's photos,
since he's already changed to a more genuine way.

Let things pass.


Thanks to all friends, who have supported me and protected models from being hurt by bad comment
in this post. I will remember and I love you all

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Added on April 13, 2008, 1:47 amchoose some real pro and ask them i also don't know

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 15 2008, 01:54 PM

but really, u can still improve..sure a bit hard taking pics like at pc fair, dun have time to compose perfectly..for me, if the photos are not good, I wouldnt dare to save it..retake again and again..troublesome but yet,I want my photos feel special

Taking Pictures @ PC fair is much much harder than taking pictures @ zoo... errr or even other indoor enviroment...

1st of all, we have limited space(people will curse you, if you aim too long), we have limited time( people are pushing around and we have very limited lighting...( ceiling too high, wall too grey.... )phew...

so, pls dun gip bad comments la... we are sharing out our "hard-earned" photos wor ...

but one thing for sure... it's a good place to train our photography skill...

free #1... girl from pendrive...

just to share

This post has been edited by TeraPox: Apr 13 2008, 02:25 AM

pic#1
distraction in background.. ask the uncle to move away or act naturally lol

i like pic #4 but again the 2 dude there spoil haha

Hey TS dyou mind stating what camera and eq did you use to shoot the pics?

thanks for your support, all models are charming in your photos

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Added on April 13, 2008, 3:39 amcheck you pm, i use different camera brands just for testing

most goods (photos) and bads come from 70-200 vr and za 135 1.8,

when I try to get a shallow dof
2 female visitors passing by and i heard they said in chinese "他在偷拍那边那个model哦"

i rest my case.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 03:39 AM

i like ur photo (true, and from my heart) wat camera u using
the contrast and colour ngam ngam... althought someone will say too redish
so can u share some tips... is that vivid colour mode u using got flash

This post has been edited by ! Love Money: Apr 13 2008, 03:42 AM

thanks, if 1 to 1 studio i would have done a much better job.
and i like your photo too, they are great shots





all polite friendly questions have been replied by pm

finally i am not pro, better find some pro to consult more detail.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 05:01 AM

So Nikon and Sony rite???

D3 doesn't have any competitor under dim light, no need any flash at all

A700 still far from D3, but also ok.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 09:03 AM

imo, although the d3 iso performance is good.
D3 also ned flashgun lor. just do a bit highlight on the subject or fill the subject shadow.

if you insist, a sb400 will do
most of the time my sb400 was swithed off

alwayscheap,ur no#1 is nice,but if the model's hand can see a bit more then better...haha

HP girls' email address are not clear, I cannot send out ur photos.
If you are reading this post, please pm me your "c.......@yahoo.com" email again.

thanks

I am noob in snaping photos...just use normal camera and snap thats all.
I am normal people, and first impression on the photos found that it is fantastic
You are pro enough to comment people, pls post ur photo and let me see, if good I will support and salute....if no, then get lost from this thread...I hate ppl acting good

travis, say so much , u better post ur photos that u take, otherwise, u know so many ppl not syok that what u say in those previous thread lar, every member who post their photos taken is want to share with others, discuss on improvement for next time shooting, not to comment on here and there is bad, understand??

thanks for upstairs support
since he stopped already, let things pass

thanks my friends, i will remeber your supports in my hard time
and i love you all

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 11:01 PM

can't see all photos.
only see user posted image. how come like this?

how would a photographer effectively improve if he/she doesn't know what is bad in his/her work ?

This post has been edited by mindkiller6610: Apr 13 2008, 10:38 PM

For start, i did not attend this edition of pc fair, so no pics for u guys this time. However i have already given my comments on alwayscheap's pics on the 1st page and by right he should know how to improve considering he has claimed himself as "best photographer in klang/subang"

Also, i will definery comment ur pics if u post here and requested c&c, but unfortunatelly i did not see anyone of u doing that, so how can i going to do that?

I dont call myself pro, i still a learning photolog like many of us here. We do share, comment or advise on how to improve among ourself. Perhaps that my comments are more on a hrasher side. So my apologies if i hurt anyone feelings. I do admit i am harsh in giving comments but that is depending whether u can accept it or not. Afterall, life is a never ending process, right?

Another thing i would like to share is there is no right or wrong in photography, just like a sifu i know once said, so u may like that pic, some people may not like a pic. If there ways to see to improve the pic, u may help that person by giving guidance, comments or give encouragement.

So i may not like his pics, but u guys like it, so be it. i rest my case

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Apr 13 2008, 11:11 PM

hey =)
do u mind to share your gears to me in pm too?


cheers =3

This post has been edited by pinku: Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM

In KL Valley, there are 8 million populations, 1000+ wedding and another 1000+ events every weekend, more than 2000 event and wedding photographers. If you cannot show others good works, you shoot me down, business will go to other 1999 photographers, still won't go to u. So what is the benefit from shooting others rather than do well your job?


Anyway, I am still much prefer the last year travis_ckf,
who bravely uploaded his photos to lowyat;
who quarreled with the people acted better on shooting him;
who hopelessly fought with his little voice to protect the chicks in his photos from being hurt by bad comments.

And I am not yet regret of standing on his side and typed my replies to support him.

Thanks.

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Added on April 13, 2008, 11:39 pmwhich i felt much helpful is not only from D3, but also from aperture 2.0 and other Mac softwares,
quite a bit better than pc and faster.


This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 13 2008, 11:47 PM

alwaysCheap:
bro, well i wish u all da best to ur passion and hoping for more pics fmr u then. Good luck mate. May the passion for good photos continues!

nice exposure , can share some info on indoor shots? what are ur setting for this shots? thanks

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@ Thread starter, nice pic, and nice indoor shots, everyone got thier own perspective in shooting and point of view,impossible for all to like the same style,
best take all comments in as possitive feedback for further improvements.
best of luck..~

This post has been edited by Hwoarang45: Apr 14 2008, 09:17 AM

None is expected that today you share ur tips with others, just to help some of them to learn how come back and bite you tomorrow.

I mean, your guys should help the forum have a good culture first
rather than just keep pressing me or others to share tips.

Sorry to say this.

alwaysCheap,

Frankly, I would suggest you to pickup some basic skills like "Willing to listen and live up with critiques and compliments by others" if you are really into photography. Where ever you post your pictures, be prepared to be commented be it a good compliment or a critique. You don't expect people to give you good ones all the time do you? If they critique, it'll be better if you could ask them why, or at least reply politely to their critiques and analyze their suggestions to improve if they are kind enough to guide you rather than being defensive and start blaming the peoples there saying that "criticizing is a bad culture" or "they just keep pressing me" kinda thing.

Another basic skill that you might wanna pick up is "How to be humble and nice to the people around you".

No, we are civilized humans not animals, we don't educate forumers here to bite people in future. We encourage healthy discussions here. Hope you understand how it works here.

lai, I want to add some fire

You get die die because
1. You used a photo sharing thread as an advertising thread.
2. You self-proclaimed to be best in what you do, therefore, do expect bashing if your work is not up to the par.

No one here is a pro. No one call their ownself pro. If your photos are great, people will call you pro. But if call yourself a pro - self-proclaming to be best is dangerous and people will LOVE TO CRITIQUE PROS. Pro, the best or sifu, is called by other people, not self !!

Same goes to advertising. If you want to advertise, I suggest you make a portfolio website and advertise it in garage sales. People don't need to advertise here, just as long their photos are good, there will be people asking for them.

So before another bashing comes, I suggest you
1. Remove your phone number as your thread mark
2. Remove the word 'Best'

We are all here to share and learn from critiques

err i can share by showing you the exif

Camera: Olympus E-3
Exposure: 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture: f/3.2
Focal Length: 20 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Exposure Bias: 0/10 EV
Flash: Flash fired, auto mode

Tips 1: the flash set to auto TTL really help..it helps control the amount of lights
2: diffuser can use the stofen type
3: angle of flash.
4. metering i use center weighted metering..
5: and a fast flash in term of recycle time if u shoot a lot using iso100
6: WB used flash mode WB setting

The pics you saw here all not PP .. is jpeg direct out from camera..

cheers happy shooting..

I couldn't agree you more.
I find 2 interesting things here:
1st is the best photos of this pc fair got the most bad comments from travis_ckf and vikingw2k
2nd is people just pump in and keep asking TS about equipments and tips without say a words for TS first, how come people become so selfish nowadays?

Well, I wouldn't wanna waste much time to comment on your biased statements since you are closely related to alwaysCheap.

Best photos or you are just trying to back each other up? Perhaps you should take a glance at other forumers' gallery before saying these kinda pictures are the best.

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Apr 14 2008, 04:29 PM

Good effort

Just want to say, I dare not to release any tips, since you are here.
sorry to all ppl who have come to consult me.

If you insist on teaching me, please use your own pc fair photos to teach,
I am not good at reading your english.

thanks

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Added on April 14, 2008, 6:07 pmOK, Let things pass.

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Added on April 14, 2008, 6:23 pmThanks for your compliment, I saw your photos, better than me.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 14 2008, 06:23 PM

You made me LOL-ed hard.

Attending some extra English classes might help you to improve on that.

I feel that you should really attend some extra classes as I find you having hard time understanding what we are trying to converse here. I've never offered to teach you or what cause I'm not that thick-faced to self claim that I'm a pro and I would rather leave it to the rest to judge as it's not important to me. We are just giving you some genuine comments on your pictures and suggesting some ways to improve them and we'll be glad if you can discuss it in a maturely manner with us rather accusing us of being prejudice to you for criticizing your so-called "Best PCFair shots".

If you are that keen to see some ordinary shots of mine, here are a few for you though I don't really fancy posting in other people's thread. Anyway don't expect much as I've accidentally left my loyal Canon 580exII flashgun at home when I was rushing out.

Good, i like you post your photos, rather than waste on so many words.
I think I have learnt much more from your photoes.

Thanks for sharing.

wat i saying is.....
thx for sharing lor...

I hope my friends will not bad comment on vikingw2k's photos,
since he's already changed to a more genuine way.

Let things pass.


Thanks to all friends, who have supported me in this post. I will remember and I love you all

tongyam, this is not the proper place for you to discuss about buying or selling. You may do so via PM or create a thread in Trade Zone.

There I was silently trolling the forum and chanced upon this thread. Thinking that I would have the chance to see some pics from the PC Fair, I got much more in return.

Dear TS, please do not get the idea anyone is trying to insult you or treat you in a condescending manner. All I've read so far are constructive criticism. There is no need to over-analyze things. We are given two ears to listen more than to utter biased statements.

Here's a little tip, "The mind, like a parachute, works best when it's open."

If you open a thread in the Photo Gallery to only accept the "oohs" and "aahs" and feel uneasy about criticism (constructive mind you) then I advise you to post elsewhere but a share & care forum like this.

Well said and I love the meaningful quote.

i m not ur fren la, but i do like see ppl sharing

for me, after give comment then diam diam lor, tak suka can chiao mar....no need scold ppl one

luckily i using firefox, if not he thing his power can do anything

Are you here to share your knowledge on photography? If you are not, kindly go away and play at other place. This is not Kopitiam where you can fool around and we don't need any jokers here.

ooohh thanks a million bro, darn hope i can achieve some nice indoor shots later, my current works are darn ahem.... lame... too much noise and unbalance flash output, hmm guess i have to play with a diffuser, hehe. thanks again.

ps: darn it u, Olympus E-3 are my dream cam.

@ thread starter, simply chill out and post ur pic lor, if u are happy with it, enough lor, if you dont want to take feedback, just ignore it lah, senang, no need making a big scene out of it, i think ur work are alright bro, but there is alway improvements to be done mah... keep it up...

This post has been edited by Hwoarang45: Apr 14 2008, 10:09 PM

This is goin to be the first legendary thread in Photography section

If you think you're good, post more pics. Everyone should do that. If not, you guys can ask in each thread.

guys, thanks for the photo
when i was there, not very much left maybe lunch time

thanks a mil again to all the photograher, Gooood Job!!!!

The lenova girl is very pretty!

Thanks, Agree with u
if anyone say he is better, just keep asking his photos in each thread
we need a better culture in this forum.

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Added on April 14, 2008, 10:59 pmthanks, i like your photos too.

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Added on April 14, 2008, 10:59 pmthanks for your support, your photos are better than me.

This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 14 2008, 11:27 PM

Then what makes you the BEST photographer then ? Btw TS .. may i suggest you another forum ? It's called www.pcfairgirlphotosonly.com/forum ... the people there loves PC fair girls !! Even if your photo is like under, or it looks like direct flash, IT DOESN'T matter ... as long as there are boobs .. people there will say "WOW GOOD PHOTO .. SHARE MORE SHARE MORE" ... I suggest you go there mate... cheers

p/s: oh yea you can promote urself there too ... photographers there all claim they are pro with their underexposed and funky border style .. sharing is caring

You made my day

u got the point..

I'm confused

But really .. people there are really helpful and supportive .. I like them alot .... even my photos are bad .. they say it's good .. this is the type of support i need to continue to improve ... everyone should learn to be like that .. it really helps to boost ego for newbie like me .. oh btw:

TS i love your photos .. keep it up ... please share and post more ... it makes my day too .. it gives a smile on my face even when i'm very stressed ... i like looking at your photos and how people say it's good

This post has been edited by Peisqo: Apr 14 2008, 11:42 PM

Good critic there....

This post has been edited by vX-2: Apr 14 2008, 11:43 PM

take noted behave on this issue
kthxbye

so far i have seen he deleted 1 of your reply about don't like him, don't know how many others
say don't like him have been deleted................


This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 15 2008, 05:33 PM

do u mean this?

This post has been edited by tongyam: Apr 14 2008, 11:48 PM

change a person from acting habit is not that easy, we focus on his uploading his photos la~

very big improve already.

1) This subforum is for posting photographs and related discussion such as technique and execution (lighting, composition, posing, makeup etc.). Discussion about photographers or models is prohibited.
2) Photographs posted must not exceed 1024px in either width or height.
3) Only post photographs you actually took, not photographs other people took.

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i m wonder rules above still valid? or only starting today?

because......i found this





This post has been edited by tongyam: Apr 14 2008, 11:56 PM

Well, I don't see anything wrong for guiding him to a better path since he himself admitted that he couldn't understand my simple English. Do you have any issue on that?

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Added on April 15, 2008, 12:01 amtongyam

Enough of that, bring your things back to Kopitiam and whine there (like what you always do) if you are here to flame-bait and not contributing any useful comments on the photos in this thread. Let's keep this thread open for compliments and critiques on the photos.

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Apr 15 2008, 12:01 AM

sif ignore my suggestion biatch Did you even read my comment ? I'm your biggest fan .. pls join my forum ...

Oh btw im best photographer in Sydney ... nice to meet you .. my number +614-86peisqo ... thats 86734776 just incase you dont know ... my msn is lmaoatyou@hotmail.com ... add me pls ! Looking forward to share some knowledge with you .. don't care all those stupid ppl say things .. only talk no photo action .. mod angry can't post here anymore

This post has been edited by Peisqo: Apr 15 2008, 12:06 AM

Thanks my friend.

I have seen too many dramas in this thread, and I feel really sad.


for what purpose attacking others first, then whole night not sleeping, keep monitoring and deleting others' post to build self image?


This post has been edited by alwaysCheap: Apr 15 2008, 06:27 AM

pop corn anyone?

good low light photo, very sharp

cant believe azmihamzah using Kina frame as well

welcome, I like shinchan's photography and models
learn a lot from you so far

have a cup of tea some day together can?

He was trying his best to indirectly hint someone. Hopefully that *someone* realize that it's ugly to have such frame despite being commented by a few others earlier on

* cough * thickface

aiyah, if can take comments then take loh. else, why waste breathe.

Best Sifu = ShinChan^^

I saw you photos also, much better than me